Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-01-28 Thread Nikos Roussos
On Sun, 2013-01-27 at 14:53 +, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > The Gnome 3 interface is substantially different that the traditional desktop > interfaces on both Linux and Windows. At least for Windows 8, neither Cinnamon is close to its desktop interface. > While it is good that there is research

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-01-28 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 01/27/2013 02:53 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: = Features/Cinnamon as Default Desktop = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Cinnamon_as_Default_Desktop We should be moving away from having a default rather then switching it. JBG -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-01-28 Thread Dan Mashal
On Monday, January 28, 2013, Nikos Roussos wrote: > On Sun, 2013-01-27 at 14:53 +, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > > The Gnome 3 interface is substantially different that the traditional > desktop > > interfaces on both Linux and Windows. > > At least for Windows 8, neither Cinnamon is close to its d

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-01-28 Thread Nikos Roussos
On Mon, 2013-01-28 at 00:10 -0800, Dan Mashal wrote: > > > On Monday, January 28, 2013, Nikos Roussos wrote: > > On Sun, 2013-01-27 at 14:53 +, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > > The Gnome 3 interface is substantially different that the > traditional desktop > > inte

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-01-28 Thread Michał Piotrowski
Hi, 2013/1/28 Nikos Roussos > ** > On Mon, 2013-01-28 at 00:10 -0800, Dan Mashal wrote: > > > > On Monday, January 28, 2013, Nikos Roussos wrote: > > On Sun, 2013-01-27 at 14:53 +, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > > The Gnome 3 interface is substantially different that the traditional > desktop > >

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-01-28 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
- Original Message - > From: "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" > To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 10:04:29 AM > Subject: Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop > > On 01/27/2013 02:53 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > > = Features/Cinnamon as Default Desk

Fedora 19 Feature Submission Deadline tomorrow (2013-01-29)

2013-01-28 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
Hi! This a friendly reminder that Fedora 19 Feature Submission Deadline is coming soon - on Tuesday, January 29, 2013. After this date newly submitted features will be targeted for Fedora 20 unless an exception is granted by FESCo. So, think about the stuff you're working on if it deserves the b

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-01-28 Thread Sandro Mani
Can't we simply re-organize the fedoraproject website in such way that the download button points to something similar to the current "More options" page, maybe with a small description for each desktop like "easy to use" / "feature rich and customizable" / "based on the traditional desktop" / etc

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-01-28 Thread Michał Piotrowski
2013/1/28 Sandro Mani > Can't we simply re-organize the fedoraproject website in such way that the > download button points to something similar to the current "More options" > page, maybe with a small description for each desktop like "easy to use" / > "feature rich and customizable" / "based on

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-01-28 Thread Frank Murphy
On Mon, 28 Jan 2013 10:14:22 +0100 Sandro Mani wrote: > Can't we simply re-organize the fedoraproject website in such way > that the download button points to something similar to the current > "More options" page, maybe with a small description for each > desktop like "easy to use" / "feature ri

Re: [Fedora-packaging] Orphaning my packages

2013-01-28 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Sun, 27 Jan 2013 18:15:55 +0100, Mario Blättermann wrote: > due to lack of time I will orphaning all my packages. Most of them I > haven't used for a while anyway. Here's a full list: > gtk-solidity-engine -- Solidity Gtk+ theming engine As one of the recently approved new packages, it has en

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd/udev Predictable Network Interface Names

2013-01-28 Thread Jiri Popelka
On 01/25/2013 04:25 PM, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: I agree. The scope says no impact, but who knows how many packages depend on hardcoded names. I hope most of them has been already fixed with https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=682334 -- Jiri -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproj

Proposed F19 Feature: Performance Co-Pilot Feature Update

2013-01-28 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
= Features/Pcp4 = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Pcp4 Feature owner(s): Frank Ch. Eigler , Mark Goodwin , Nathan Scott A new feature release of PCP (Performance Co-Pilot). == Detailed description == This PCP update is planned to deliver a group of new features: Increased securit

Proposed F19 Feature: Simplify Java/Maven Packaging using XMvn

2013-01-28 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
= Features/XMvn = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/XMvn Feature owner(s): Stanislav Ochotnicky Introduce new Maven packaging tooling with new macros, automated install section and more. == Detailed description == Current Maven packaging can be time-consuming and full of repetition even

[perl-Devel-CheckOS] 1.71 bump

2013-01-28 Thread Petr Pisar
commit 3fd60e6da86a5c9fe3236e087881a2f6f03101ff Author: Petr Písař Date: Mon Jan 28 10:56:00 2013 +0100 1.71 bump .gitignore |1 + perl-Devel-CheckOS.spec | 53 ++ sources |2 +- 3 files changed, 27 inserti

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-01-28 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Mon, 28 Jan 2013 09:22:16 +0100, Nikos Roussos wrote: > True. Or others might consider it productive. Same goes for all Desktop > environments. That's why I said that I see no real argument here for > changing our default desktop. Could we make a web poll for preferred desktop and make the top

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: GLIBC 2.17

2013-01-28 Thread Florian Weimer
GLIBC 2.17 was released at the end of 2012; we have been closely tracking the GLIBC 2.17 development code in Fedora Rawhide and addressing any issues as they arise. The __secure_getenv to secure_getenv renaming need to be reflected in a few packages (as of Fedora 18): sourc

File perl-ldap-0.53.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by psabata

2013-01-28 Thread Petr Šabata
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-LDAP: 3063be5e1597586fd50c10f572e3a853 perl-ldap-0.53.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listin

[perl-LDAP] 0.53 enhancement update

2013-01-28 Thread Petr Šabata
commit 1612d94214f97b6de111d2c13712998255f43d8c Author: Petr Šabata Date: Mon Jan 28 11:03:36 2013 +0100 0.53 enhancement update .gitignore |1 + perl-LDAP.spec |5 - sources|2 +- 3 files changed, 6 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/.gitignore b/.

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-01-28 Thread Florian Weimer
On 01/28/2013 11:01 AM, Jan Kratochvil wrote: On Mon, 28 Jan 2013 09:22:16 +0100, Nikos Roussos wrote: True. Or others might consider it productive. Same goes for all Desktop environments. That's why I said that I see no real argument here for changing our default desktop. Could we make a web

Proposed F19 Feature: GSS Proxy

2013-01-28 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
= Features/gss-proxy = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/gss-proxy Feature owner(s): Simo Sorce , Günther Deschner The main purpose of this project is to replace rpc.svcgssd(8), the server-side rpcsec_gss daemon. The gss-proxy consists of a standardized RPC protocol, a client and serve

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-01-28 Thread Sandro Mani
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Jan Kratochvil wrote: > > Could we make a web poll for preferred desktop and make the top one the > Fedora > default? (default = link "Download now!" on http://fedoraproject.org ) > > If it is Gnome 3 Shell then fine but AFAIK it won't be Gnome 3 Shell. > IMO su

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-01-28 Thread Michael Scherer
Le lundi 28 janvier 2013 à 09:56 +0100, Michał Piotrowski a écrit : > > Maybe it should be something like "defaultless" desktop. Just install > Gnome and display desktop ballot screen "Yes, we know that Gnome 3 > sucks for 85% of population. Here you got an alternatives." For one, if there is 85%

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-01-28 Thread Michał Piotrowski
2013/1/28 Michael Scherer : > Le lundi 28 janvier 2013 à 09:56 +0100, Michał Piotrowski a écrit : >> >> Maybe it should be something like "defaultless" desktop. Just install >> Gnome and display desktop ballot screen "Yes, we know that Gnome 3 >> sucks for 85% of population. Here you got an alterna

Proposed F19 Feature: Developers Assistant

2013-01-28 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
= Features/DevelopersAssistant = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/DevelopersAssistant Feature owner(s): Jan Zelený , Marcela Mašláňová Perform a series of various changes to improve developer experience on Fedora. == Detailed description == This feature aims on setting up development e

Proposed F19 Feature: libkkc - a new Japanese Kana Kanji input library

2013-01-28 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
= Features/libkkc = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/libkkc Feature owner(s): Daiki Ueno libkkc, a new Japanese Kana Kanji input library, will be available in Fedora 19, along with an IBus input method engine which uses libkkc as backend (ibus- kkc). == Detailed description == There a

Proposed F19 Feature: MinGW GCC 4.8

2013-01-28 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
= Features/MinGW GCC 4.8 = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/MinGW_GCC_4.8 Feature owner(s): Erik van Pienbroek Update the mingw-gcc cross-compiler to gcc 4.8 and rebuild all MinGW packages against it. == Detailed description == The Fedora MinGW SIG maintains over a large number of pack

Proposed F19 Feature: New firstboot

2013-01-28 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
= Features/NewFirstboot = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NewFirstboot Feature owner(s): Martin Sivák This feature proposes new initial setup application with better integration to the NewUI anaconda and to Gnome Initial Experience. == Detailed description == Since the Anaconda instal

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: New firstboot

2013-01-28 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 01/28/2013 11:46 AM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: = Features/NewFirstboot = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NewFirstboot Feature owner(s): Martin Sivák This feature proposes new initial setup application with better integration to the NewUI anaconda and to Gnome Initial Experience. Wil

[Bug 904957] perl-Pod-Perldoc-3.19 is available

2013-01-28 Thread bugzilla
Product: Fedora https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=904957 Petr Pisar changed: What|Removed |Added Status|ASSIGNED|CLOSED Fixed In Version|

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd/udev Predictable Network Interface Names

2013-01-28 Thread Michael Scherer
Le lundi 28 janvier 2013 à 10:49 +0100, Jiri Popelka a écrit : > On 01/25/2013 04:25 PM, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: > > I agree. The scope says no impact, but who knows how many packages > > depend on hardcoded names. > > I hope most of them has been already fixed with > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Developers Assistant

2013-01-28 Thread Josh Boyer
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 6:16 AM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > = Features/DevelopersAssistant = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/DevelopersAssistant > > Feature owner(s): Jan Zelený , Marcela Mašláňová > > > Perform a series of various changes to improve developer experience on Fedora. > > ==

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Fedora Upgrade - using yum

2013-01-28 Thread Gerd Hoffmann
Hi, > If a fedup upgrade can go offline for a lengthy, but uncertain, amount > of time, then the lack of feedback is worrying. You can't hold your > breath for 25 minutes, you don't know when to conclude that you have a > serious problem that will require help from the data center staff, and >

Proposed F19 Feature: OpenAttestation

2013-01-28 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
= Features/OpenAttestation = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/OpenAttestation Feature owner(s): Gang Wei Provide fedora packages for OpenAttestation to support Trusted Compute Pools(TCP) feature in OpenStack since Folsom release & in future oVirt releases. == Detailed description ==

Proposed F19 Feature: Yum Groups as Objects

2013-01-28 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
= Features/YumGroupsAsObjects = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/YumGroupsAsObjects Feature owner(s): James Antill Change the default yum configuration from group_command=compat to group_command=objects. == Detailed description == Currently yum groups work as a simple substitution, so

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Yum Groups as Objects

2013-01-28 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/28/2013 07:58 AM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > = Features/YumGroupsAsObjects = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/YumGroupsAsObjects > > Feature owner(s): James Antill > > Change the default yum configuration from group_command=compat to

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-01-28 Thread Gerd Hoffmann
On 01/28/13 10:07, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote: > - Original Message - >> On 01/27/2013 02:53 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: >>> = Features/Cinnamon as Default Desktop = >>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Cinnamon_as_Default_Desktop >> >> We should be moving away from having a default r

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: New firstboot

2013-01-28 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/28/2013 07:16 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > On 01/28/2013 11:46 AM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: >> = Features/NewFirstboot = >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NewFirstboot >> >> Feature owner(s): Martin Sivák >> >> This feature pro

Re: drop inheritance at f19 branch point?

2013-01-28 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 25.1.2013 00:02, Kevin Fenzi napsal(a): On Thu, 24 Jan 2013 15:09:57 +0100 Vít Ondruch wrote: Dne 24.1.2013 14:40, Bruno Wolff III napsal(a): On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 13:06:21 +0100, Vít Ondruch wrote: It definitely depends on package. I should be the one who knows about my packages t

Re: [Fwd: [Fedora-packaging] Orphaning my packages]

2013-01-28 Thread Christophe Fergeau
Hey, On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 06:32:39PM +0100, Dan Horák wrote: > Přeposlaná zpráva > Od: Mario Blättermann > Reply-to: Discussion of RPM packaging standards and practices for Fedora > > Komu: packag...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Předmět: [Fedora-packaging] Orphaning my packages

File IO-Socket-SSL-1.82.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by pghmcfc

2013-01-28 Thread Paul Howarth
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-IO-Socket-SSL: 8b16dd3c5ad996a158e28107f80cd6b0 IO-Socket-SSL-1.82.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/m

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: New firstboot

2013-01-28 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 11:46:40AM +, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > Anaconda, initial-setup and Gnome Inital Experience will communicate to > ensure > the screens are not shown multiple times. So for example the root password > setup or user creation process will be done only in one place, depend

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: New firstboot

2013-01-28 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
On Monday 28 of January 2013 12:16:54 Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: > On 01/28/2013 11:46 AM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > > = Features/NewFirstboot = > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NewFirstboot > > > > Feature owner(s): Martin Sivák > > > > This feature proposes new initial setup applic

[perl-DateTime-Format-Duration] Import

2013-01-28 Thread Petr Pisar
commit 07b649e9abbc0436cd8fa6e928beba62e6c9fa43 Author: Petr Písař Date: Mon Jan 28 15:11:19 2013 +0100 Import .gitignore |1 + perl-DateTime-Format-Duration.spec | 65 sources|1 + 3 files

[perl-DateTime-Format-Duration] Note old FSF address report

2013-01-28 Thread Petr Pisar
commit 5321aaa9de330a92910c585c4554420f09cb52b6 Author: Petr Písař Date: Mon Jan 28 15:11:34 2013 +0100 Note old FSF address report perl-DateTime-Format-Duration.spec |1 + 1 files changed, 1 insertions(+), 0 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-DateTime-Format-Duration.spec b/perl-Dat

[perl-DateTime-Format-Duration] Modernize spec file

2013-01-28 Thread Petr Pisar
commit 4c971129fdcb01088f26afd8ff7d35cf094954f9 Author: Petr Písař Date: Mon Jan 28 15:13:33 2013 +0100 Modernize spec file perl-DateTime-Format-Duration.spec |5 +++-- 1 files changed, 3 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-DateTime-Format-Duration.spec b/perl-DateTim

[perl-DateTime-Format-Duration/f18] (3 commits) ...Modernize spec file

2013-01-28 Thread Petr Pisar
Summary of changes: 07b649e... Import (*) 5321aaa... Note old FSF address report (*) 4c97112... Modernize spec file (*) (*) This commit already existed in another branch; no separate mail sent -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing li

[perl-DateTime-Format-Duration/f17] (3 commits) ...Modernize spec file

2013-01-28 Thread Petr Pisar
Summary of changes: 07b649e... Import (*) 5321aaa... Note old FSF address report (*) 4c97112... Modernize spec file (*) (*) This commit already existed in another branch; no separate mail sent -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing li

Updating python-requests in epel6

2013-01-28 Thread Ralph Bean
I'm going to be bumping python-requests in epel6 from 0.11.1 to 0.14.1. If you are using python-requests and think this will cause issues for you, let me know so we can work out a solution. pgpRRqi0OEQnf.pgp Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Developers Assistant

2013-01-28 Thread Jan Zelený
On 28. 1. 2013 at 07:57:11, Josh Boyer wrote: > On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 6:16 AM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > > = Features/DevelopersAssistant > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/DevelopersAssistant > > > > Feature owner(s): Jan Zelený , Marcela Mašláňová > > > > > > Perform a series of

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Yum Groups as Objects

2013-01-28 Thread Jan Zelený
On 28. 1. 2013 at 08:21:57, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 01/28/2013 07:58 AM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > > = Features/YumGroupsAsObjects > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/YumGroupsAsObjects > > > > Feature owner(s): James Antill > >

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Shared System Certificates

2013-01-28 Thread Petr Pisar
On 2013-01-25, Florian Weimer wrote: > On 01/24/2013 12:30 PM, Stef Walter wrote: > >> So yes, as noted in the 'Detailed Description' of the feature, long term >> we hope to follow this up with further work to make all the crypto >> libraries be able to process the information in its entirety. > >

[Bug 893464] Upgrade to new upstream version

2013-01-28 Thread bugzilla
Product: Fedora EPEL https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=893464 --- Comment #8 from Fedora Update System --- perl-Net-STOMP-Client-2.0-1.fc16 has been pushed to the Fedora 16 stable repository. If problems still persist, please make note of it in this bug report. -- You are receiving t

[Bug 893464] Upgrade to new upstream version

2013-01-28 Thread bugzilla
Product: Fedora EPEL https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=893464 Fedora Update System changed: What|Removed |Added Status|ON_QA |CLOSED

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-01-28 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
On 01/27/2013 04:36 PM, Michael Scherer wrote: Le dimanche 27 janvier 2013 à 09:49 -0500, Sam Varshavchik a écrit : Jaroslav Reznik writes: Announcing various systemd features in one announcement, see bellow: = Features/SystemdCalendarTimers = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/SystemdCa

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Yum Groups as Objects

2013-01-28 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 12:58:56PM +, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > = Features/YumGroupsAsObjects = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/YumGroupsAsObjects I don't have an immediate better suggestion, but with my Fedora "end user" hat on "Yum groups as objects" is essentially meaningless as a

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-01-28 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 01/28/2013 02:56 PM, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: On 01/27/2013 04:36 PM, Michael Scherer wrote: Le dimanche 27 janvier 2013 à 09:49 -0500, Sam Varshavchik a écrit : Jaroslav Reznik writes: Announcing various systemd features in one announcement, see bellow: = Features/SystemdCalendarTimers =

[Bug 895876] Upgrade to new upstream version

2013-01-28 Thread bugzilla
Product: Fedora EPEL https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=895876 Fedora Update System changed: What|Removed |Added Status|ON_QA |CLOSED

[Bug 895876] Upgrade to new upstream version

2013-01-28 Thread bugzilla
Product: Fedora EPEL https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=895876 --- Comment #7 from Fedora Update System --- perl-No-Worries-0.8-1.fc16 has been pushed to the Fedora 16 stable repository. If problems still persist, please make note of it in this bug report. -- You are receiving this ma

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Yum Groups as Objects

2013-01-28 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon 28 Jan 2013 09:43:56 AM EST, Jan Zelený wrote: > On 28. 1. 2013 at 08:21:57, Stephen Gallagher wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> On 01/28/2013 07:58 AM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: >>> = Features/YumGroupsAsObjects = >>

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-01-28 Thread Matthias Clasen
- Original Message - > = Features/Cinnamon as Default Desktop = > I submit the proposition that it is easier for a user doing a new > Fedora > install to start with a traditional desktop, and switch to the Gnome > Shell if > they prefer that, than to start with Gnome Shell and switch to a

File Test-Spelling-0.17.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by pghmcfc

2013-01-28 Thread Paul Howarth
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-Test-Spelling: dfa3349920894029df4dffb9a66a116b Test-Spelling-0.17.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/m

Re: BuildRequires for texlive stuff for F18 and beyond

2013-01-28 Thread Jonathan Underwood
Hello Jindrich, Thoughts below.. On 26 January 2013 17:41, Jindrich Novy wrote: [snip] >> With the more fine grained texlive packaging in F>18 where tex(latex) is >> provided by texlive-collection-latex I am finding that this is insufficient >> to build most documents. I see two options in thes

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-01-28 Thread drago01
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 10:14 AM, Sandro Mani wrote: > Can't we simply re-organize the fedoraproject website in such way that the > download button points to something similar to the current "More options" > page, maybe with a small description for each desktop like "easy to use" / > "feature ric

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-01-28 Thread Ales Ledvinka
How about crash/inconsistency recovery? That's either single user mode or multi user networked mode with blocks for anything to finish and nothing new starts and then setting up controlled environment which usually includes no cron interference. - Original Message - From: "Jóhann B. Guð

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: New firstboot

2013-01-28 Thread John . Florian
> From: Jaroslav Reznik > > = Features/NewFirstboot = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NewFirstboot Please consider in the development of this to provide a simple means to bypass this as easily as is currently possible with firstboot. Our use case rarely involves making a custom kick

[Bug 895876] Upgrade to new upstream version

2013-01-28 Thread bugzilla
Product: Fedora EPEL https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=895876 --- Comment #8 from Fedora Update System --- perl-No-Worries-0.8-1.fc18 has been pushed to the Fedora 18 stable repository. If problems still persist, please make note of it in this bug report. -- You are receiving this ma

[perl-Test-Spelling] Created tag perl-Test-Spelling-0.17-1.fc19

2013-01-28 Thread Paul Howarth
The lightweight tag 'perl-Test-Spelling-0.17-1.fc19' was created pointing to: 195a41b... Update to 0.17 -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/perl-dev

[Bug 895876] Upgrade to new upstream version

2013-01-28 Thread bugzilla
Product: Fedora EPEL https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=895876 --- Comment #9 from Fedora Update System --- perl-No-Worries-0.8-1.fc17 has been pushed to the Fedora 17 stable repository. If problems still persist, please make note of it in this bug report. -- You are receiving this ma

[Bug 893464] Upgrade to new upstream version

2013-01-28 Thread bugzilla
Product: Fedora EPEL https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=893464 --- Comment #10 from Fedora Update System --- perl-Net-STOMP-Client-2.0-1.fc17 has been pushed to the Fedora 17 stable repository. If problems still persist, please make note of it in this bug report. -- You are receiving

Re: BuildRequires for texlive stuff for F18 and beyond

2013-01-28 Thread Jonathan Underwood
Hi Jindrich (again), Perhaps a pragmatic route would be to add a few more virtual provides to help package maintainers. tex(latex-base) which would do exactly what tex(latex) currently does tex(latex) which would pull in texlive-collection-latexrecommended tex(latex-recommended) which would pul

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-01-28 Thread Josh Boyer
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 10:15 AM, Matthias Clasen wrote: > - Original Message - >> = Features/Cinnamon as Default Desktop = > > >> I submit the proposition that it is easier for a user doing a new >> Fedora >> install to start with a traditional desktop, and switch to the Gnome >> Shell if

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-01-28 Thread Máirín Duffy
On 01/28/2013 02:06 AM, Dan Mashal wrote: > You don't see the point of MATE or Cinnamon? How long did you play with > them 5 minutes? Do you remember the GNOME 1.x => 2.x transition? Similarly to how there are forks of GNOME now to 'keep the GNOME 2 candle burning,' there were forks of GNOME 1.x t

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Shared System Certificates

2013-01-28 Thread Florian Weimer
On 01/28/2013 03:45 PM, Petr Pisar wrote: On 2013-01-25, Florian Weimer wrote: On 01/24/2013 12:30 PM, Stef Walter wrote: So yes, as noted in the 'Detailed Description' of the feature, long term we hope to follow this up with further work to make all the crypto libraries be able to process th

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Yum Groups as Objects

2013-01-28 Thread Kamil Dudka
On Monday 28 January 2013 13:58:56 Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > = Features/YumGroupsAsObjects = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/YumGroupsAsObjects > > Feature owner(s): James Antill > > Change the default yum configuration from group_command=compat to > group_command=objects. I have been

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: GLIBC 2.17

2013-01-28 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Mon, 28 Jan 2013 11:02:31 +0100 Florian Weimer wrote: > > GLIBC 2.17 was released at the end of 2012; we have been closely > > tracking the GLIBC 2.17 development code in Fedora Rawhide and > > addressing any issues as they arise. > > The __secure_getenv to secure_getenv renaming need to be r

[Bug 905112] New: Update to metacpan.org instead of search.cpan.org

2013-01-28 Thread bugzilla
Product: Fedora https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=905112 Bug ID: 905112 Summary: Update to metacpan.org instead of search.cpan.org Product: Fedora Version: rawhide Component: cpanspec Severity: unspecified Priority

Re: Re: BuildRequires for texlive stuff for F18 and beyond

2013-01-28 Thread Jindrich Novy
On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 03:35:02PM -0500, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: > On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 3:57 AM, Mario Santagiuliana wrote: > > In data sabato 26 gennaio 2013 23:55:34, Orcan Ogetbil ha scritto: > >> But if I have a .tex file that needs 40 such requirements, I have to > >> go through the above "fi

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Replace MySQL with MariaDB

2013-01-28 Thread Henrique Junior
OpenSUSE is dumping MySQL in the next release 12.3[1] and, also is Wikipedia[2] [1] - http://www.muktware.com/5148/opensuse-dumps-mysql-makes-mariadb-default-database [2] - http://www.zdnet.com/wikipedia-moving-from-mysql-to-mariadb-708912/ 2013/1/26 "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" > On 01/26/201

Re: BuildRequires for texlive stuff for F18 and beyond

2013-01-28 Thread Jindrich Novy
Hi Jonathan, On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 03:42:30PM +, Jonathan Underwood wrote: > Hi Jindrich (again), > > Perhaps a pragmatic route would be to add a few more virtual provides > to help package maintainers. > > tex(latex-base) which would do exactly what tex(latex) currently does > > tex(late

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-01-28 Thread Matthias Clasen
- Original Message - > > Some facts: > > > > - Cinnamon started out as 'using GNOME components', but it is not a > > full fork of mutter, gnome-shell and nautilus, at least, and > > bug-fixes are not going either way... > > Did you mean "... but it is now a full fork..." ? > Yes, thats

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-01-28 Thread Jon Ciesla
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Máirín Duffy wrote: > On 01/28/2013 02:06 AM, Dan Mashal wrote: > > You don't see the point of MATE or Cinnamon? How long did you play with > > them 5 minutes? > > Do you remember the GNOME 1.x => 2.x transition? Similarly to how there > are forks of GNOME now to '

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Yum Groups as Objects

2013-01-28 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 16:52:18 +0100, Kamil Dudka wrote: I have been always wondering why yum needs a special set of commands to manipulate groups of packages. What would be the downside of using just packages that install no files (a.k.a. meta-packages) instead of groups? Removing meta

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-01-28 Thread Peter Robinson
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 3:47 PM, Máirín Duffy wrote: > On 01/28/2013 02:06 AM, Dan Mashal wrote: >> You don't see the point of MATE or Cinnamon? How long did you play with >> them 5 minutes? > > Do you remember the GNOME 1.x => 2.x transition? Similarly to how there > are forks of GNOME now to 'ke

Re: BuildRequires for texlive stuff for F18 and beyond

2013-01-28 Thread Frank Ch. Eigler
Jindrich Novy writes: > [...] Just to be clear here, we are talking about BuildRequires of > packages, not end-user TeX compilation here. > If end-user utilization is needed then feel free to use > texlive-collection* or texlive-scheme*. Another least overhead > option is to just install: texli

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: New firstboot

2013-01-28 Thread Allan Day
Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > = Features/NewFirstboot = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NewFirstboot > > Feature owner(s): Martin Sivák ... Firstboot currently depends on system-config-users, system-config-authentication and system-config-date, causing them to be included in a new Fedora in

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-01-28 Thread inode0
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Máirín Duffy wrote: > On 01/28/2013 02:06 AM, Dan Mashal wrote: >> You don't see the point of MATE or Cinnamon? How long did you play with >> them 5 minutes? > > Do you remember the GNOME 1.x => 2.x transition? Similarly to how there > are forks of GNOME now to 'ke

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-01-28 Thread Pete Travis
On Jan 28, 2013 9:56 AM, "inode0" wrote: > (snip) > I'm happy to see renewed discussion about the future of the Fedora > desktop. After four releases it isn't bad to step back and take a look > at how things are working out. I hope we can do that with an eye to > where we want to go in the future

Re: Updating python-requests in epel6

2013-01-28 Thread Ken Dreyer
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 7:21 AM, Ralph Bean wrote: > I'm going to be bumping python-requests in epel6 from 0.11.1 to > 0.14.1. If you are using python-requests and think this will cause > issues for you, let me know so we can work out a solution. No comment on the version bump itself; but should

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd/udev Predictable Network Interface Names

2013-01-28 Thread Bill Nottingham
Oron Peled (o...@actcom.co.il) said: > IMO, my following proposal is only feasible if (and it's a big iff), > the number of system calls and library functions that accept a network > interface name is not large [things like if_nameindex(), the "ifreq" > ioctl()'s, etc.] > > If that's the case, w

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd/udev Predictable Network Interface Names

2013-01-28 Thread Bill Nottingham
Jiri Popelka (jpope...@redhat.com) said: > On 01/25/2013 04:25 PM, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: > >I agree. The scope says no impact, but who knows how many packages > >depend on hardcoded names. > > I hope most of them has been already fixed with > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=682334

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-01-28 Thread Máirín Duffy
On 01/28/2013 11:56 AM, inode0 wrote: > What concerns me isn't that Linus and Alan don't like it. To be fair Linus (more quietly) went back to GNOME 3 after his initial loud complaints. He is still using it since he just posted that he was to G+ yesterday. ~m -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fe

Re: stop service ; remove some files ; start service in RPM %postun ?

2013-01-28 Thread Bill Nottingham
Jan-Frode Myklebust (janfr...@tanso.net) said: > I have an rpm package where I need to stop the running service, remove > some files and start the service again depending on which package > version was already installed. I assume I need to do this in %postun, > where we normally do condrestart, bu

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: GLIBC 2.17

2013-01-28 Thread Bill Nottingham
Florian Weimer (fwei...@redhat.com) said: > See > for code snippets to implement in the change in a > backwards-compatible fashion. Unfortunately, glibc upstream > insistent on renaming before making the symbol official. I'm a litt

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-01-28 Thread Richard Marko
On 01/28/2013 05:56 PM, inode0 wrote: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Statistics#Total_repository_connections I'm wondering if there was an effort to provide package usage statistics for Fedora. Having such data might be valuable when there's a disagreement of what is popular/widely used. -- R

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Developers Assistant

2013-01-28 Thread Michael Scherer
Le lundi 28 janvier 2013 à 15:27 +0100, Jan Zelený a écrit : > > Currently we are working on some proof-of-concept stuff. But as an example, > you > can imagine a script for creation of C program templates. You will specify > directory where it should create the program and (possibly) some spe

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-01-28 Thread Gerald Henriksen
On Mon, 28 Jan 2013 12:26:14 -0500, you wrote: >On 01/28/2013 11:56 AM, inode0 wrote: >> What concerns me isn't that Linus and Alan don't like it. > >To be fair Linus (more quietly) went back to GNOME 3 after his initial >loud complaints. He is still using it since he just posted that he was >to G

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Replace MySQL with MariaDB

2013-01-28 Thread Norvald Ryeng
On Fri, 2013-01-25 at 20:29 +0100, Remi Collet wrote: > Le 25/01/2013 19:46, Norvald Ryeng a écrit : > > Here's the bug: http://bugs.mysql.com/bug.php?id=68182 This bug has now been fixed and will be included in release 1.2.0. > So, a few questions ? > > - why do you publish "community" source t

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-01-28 Thread Allan Day
Hey Pete, Pete Travis wrote: >> I'm happy to see renewed discussion about the future of the Fedora >> desktop. After four releases it isn't bad to step back and take a look >> at how things are working out. I hope we can do that with an eye to >> where we want to go in the future rather than look

Re: BuildRequires for texlive stuff for F18 and beyond

2013-01-28 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 01/27/2013 08:13 PM, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: Wait. When I write a LateX file from scratch, say foo.tex, and invoke $ latex foo.tex latex will talk to yum to get me all my dependencies that I specifically require in my foo.tex? If so, sorry for the noise. My misunderstanding. No, unfortunate

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