Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Replace MySQL with MariaDB

2013-01-23 Thread Sven Lankes
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 02:12:27AM -0500, Tom Lane wrote: > It strikes me that we missed a bet in setting up the mariadb package > for only F19-and-up in git. If we made a version available for F18, > that would allow people to test compatibility without having to run > rawhide, which is somethin

Re: Fedora ARM VFAD - 2013-01-23

2013-01-23 Thread Peter Robinson
On 23 Jan 2013 06:39, "Jens Petersen" wrote: > > > 3) ghc - using LLVM as compiler, as a result incorrect triplet > > Not sure what this is referring to: ghc ARM devel for F18 is > basically done (except for a few minor libs appearing > in the Branch report that need rebuilding) and working fine.

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Replace MySQL with MariaDB

2013-01-23 Thread Peter Robinson
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 3:25 PM, Tom Lane wrote: > Bill Nottingham writes: >> Jaroslav Reznik (jrez...@redhat.com) said: >>> We would like to replace MySQL with MariaDB in early development cycle for >>> Fedora 19. MySQL will continue to be available for at least one release, but >>> MariaDB will

Re: To the Mate package maintainers

2013-01-23 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Tue, 2013-01-22 at 20:31 +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > But do not try to wake it up by pressing num lock twice fast. It > should be > a noop but you can hit a gnome race and hose the system That was fixed a couple of months ago. Please replace with up-to-date complaints. commit 15baf34186c6b

Fedora 18 for IBM System z 64bit official release

2013-01-23 Thread Dan Horák
Hello everyone, Fedora 18 GA release for the IBM System z is here. This time only one week (8 days to be correct) later than the primary and again more closer to primary when we count the number of available packages. Worth noting also here is that Anaconda, the Fedora installation program, has b

Re: Heads-up: cyrus-sasl-2.1.26 with libsasl2 soname bump

2013-01-23 Thread Petr Pisar
On 2013-01-22, Petr Lautrbach wrote: > > I'm going to push update cyrus-sasl-2.1.26 into Rawhide soon. Part of > this update is also SONAME bump to libsasl2.so.3. > > The main issue with this update is that it would break buildroot since > there is the openldap package requiring libsasl2.so.2 whic

Strange subscriptions to Bugzilla bugs

2013-01-23 Thread Tim Niemueller
Dear Fedorians and Bugzilla admins. In the recent past I have seen several subscription to bugs in Bugzilla. While this is normal, what makes me suspicious is that it is one particular email address (rutadeevacuacion...) to rather old bugs, e.g. 124789 or 446335, bugs which are already closed

Re: Strange subscriptions to Bugzilla bugs

2013-01-23 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 11:06:49AM +0100, Tim Niemueller wrote: > Dear Fedorians and Bugzilla admins. > > In the recent past I have seen several subscription to bugs in > Bugzilla. While this is normal, what makes me suspicious is that it > is one particular email address (rutadeevacuacion...) to

Stalled review of pg_journal

2013-01-23 Thread Tomasz Torcz
Hi, There is some stall with the review of pg_journal: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=856560 which is journal-logging add-on for PostgreSQL. I've addresed all the issues and upstream is really helpful, but the reviewer dissapeared. Can I have moved the review forward? Thanks

Re: Stalled review of pg_journal

2013-01-23 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Wed, 23 Jan 2013 11:41:09 +0100, Tomasz Torcz wrote: > Hi, > > There is some stall with the review of pg_journal: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=856560 > which is journal-logging add-on for PostgreSQL. > I've addresed all the issues and upstream is really helpful, but > th

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: JRuby 1.7 - JRuby is an alternative Ruby implementation

2013-01-23 Thread Bohuslav Kabrda
- Original Message - > On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 08:05:23AM -0500, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > > > > - Changes in packaging > > None yet. JRuby will be able to use pure Ruby Gems packaged into > > RPM out of > > the box, but packaging of Gems with JRuby extensions is turning > > out to be >

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: JRuby 1.7 - JRuby is an alternative Ruby implementation

2013-01-23 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
On 01/23/2013 07:28 AM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 08:05:23AM -0500, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: As decided by FESCo on 2012-12-05 meeting, all proposed Features are required to pass through the community review by announcing them on devel-announce list. FESCo votes on new feature

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Replace MySQL with MariaDB

2013-01-23 Thread Ales Kozumplik
On 01/22/2013 10:06 PM, Tom Lane wrote: Yes, that's the general idea --- any dependencies on mysql should result in installing mariadb, unless the user takes specific action to get mysql instead. Ideally we'd just do the standard Provides/Obsoletes dance for replacing one package with another, b

Re: To the Mate package maintainers

2013-01-23 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Mer 23 janvier 2013 10:31, Bastien Nocera a écrit : > On Tue, 2013-01-22 at 20:31 +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: >> But do not try to wake it up by pressing num lock twice fast. It >> should be >> a noop but you can hit a gnome race and hose the system > > That was fixed a couple of months ago.

Re: what is the current state of ext4 metadata checksums in Fedora?

2013-01-23 Thread Benjamin Lewis
On Tue, 22 Jan 2013, Eric Sandeen wrote: On 1/22/13 7:10 PM, Michał Piotrowski wrote: Hi, Ext4 metadata checksums feature was merged into Linux 3.6. Can I use it out of the box with Fedora kernel or is there some magic switch to enable it? Are there any plans to support it in e2fsprogs shippe

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Replace MySQL with MariaDB

2013-01-23 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message - > Tom Lane (t...@redhat.com) said: > > Yes, that's the general idea --- any dependencies on mysql should > > result > > in installing mariadb, unless the user takes specific action to get > > mysql instead. Ideally we'd just do the standard > > Provides/Obsoletes > > d

build failing because of insufficient disk space

2013-01-23 Thread David Tardon
Hi, all my attempts to build libreoffice for the past 2 weeks failed because there was not enough disk space on the builder (actually the last build that succeeded was libreoffice-4.0.0.0-2.beta1.fc19 on 2012-12-11). F-17 and F-18 builds are fine. Has something happened in Rawhide that makes the b

Re: build failing because of insufficient disk space

2013-01-23 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, 23 Jan 2013 14:49:48 +0100 David Tardon wrote: > Hi, > > all my attempts to build libreoffice for the past 2 weeks failed > because there was not enough disk space on the builder (actually the > last build that succeeded was libreoffice-4.0.0.0-2.beta1.fc19 on > 2012-12-11). F-17 and F-1

Re: build failing because of insufficient disk space

2013-01-23 Thread Dan Horák
Kevin Fenzi píše v St 23. 01. 2013 v 07:31 -0700: > On Wed, 23 Jan 2013 14:49:48 +0100 > David Tardon wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > all my attempts to build libreoffice for the past 2 weeks failed > > because there was not enough disk space on the builder (actually the > > last build that succeeded

Proposed F19 Feature: FreeIPA v3 Trust Improvements

2013-01-23 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
As decided by FESCo on 2012-12-05 meeting, all proposed Features are required to pass through the community review by announcing them on devel-announce list. FESCo votes on new features no sooner than a week from the announcement. = Features/IPAv3TrustImprovements = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/

Re: build failing because of insufficient disk space

2013-01-23 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, 23 Jan 2013 15:46:19 +0100 Dan Horák wrote: > mingw-qt has the largest buildroot requiring over 40 GB (measured on > s390x), LO is now only the second largest :-) My builders have 50 GB > for mock. Good to know. ;) Looking at space we have, we are just going to bump them all to 150 or

Proposed F19 Feature: Guile2

2013-01-23 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
= Features/Guile2 = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Guile2 Feature owner(s): Jan Synacek Update GNU Guile to version 2.0.x in Fedora 19. == Detailed description == Current guile package will be upgraded to 2.0.x. compat-guile18 package will provide additional time for the packages t

Re: Fedora Windows Spice/Virtio KVM drivers and tools (was Re: Red Hat QXL GPU Driver for Windows 7?)

2013-01-23 Thread Christophe Fergeau
On Wed, Jan 09, 2013 at 04:39:06PM +0100, Simone Caronni wrote: > Spinning of from this, I think there is some mess around the Virtio > drivers; I would be glad if someone could explain that to me. > Sorry for the length of this mail but I could not shorten it. > > Let's say I would like to grab t

Re: Fedora Windows Spice/Virtio KVM drivers and tools (was Re: Red Hat QXL GPU Driver for Windows 7?)

2013-01-23 Thread Christophe Fergeau
On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 09:11:45AM +, Tom Hughes wrote: > On 09/01/13 17:33, Tom Hughes wrote: > >On 09/01/13 15:39, Simone Caronni wrote: > > > >>- Build also the Spice Agent for 32/64 bit (this is done at > >>spice-space.org as part of the Spice Guest > >>Tools) > > >

Proposed F19 Feature: Shared System Certificates

2013-01-23 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
= Features/SharedSystemCertificates = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/SharedSystemCertificates Feature owner(s): Kai Engert , Stef Walter Make NSS, GnuTLS, OpenSSL and Java share a default source for retrieving system certificate anchors and black list information. This is an initial bu

Proposed F19 Feature: KScreen - KDE screen management

2013-01-23 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
= Features/KScreen = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/KScreen Feature owner(s): Dan Vrátil Replace current KDE screen management software by KScreen. == Detailed description == KScreen is a KDE screen management software that massively improves user experience when working with multiple

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: JRuby 1.7 - JRuby is an alternative Ruby implementation

2013-01-23 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
I think the more interesting question is what to do about extensions (ie. not pure Ruby gems that contain C code). Last time I looked JRuby was pretty incompatible; in fact for libguestfs we recommend that people use the *Java* bindings with JRuby ... Rich. -- Richard Jones, Virtualization Grou

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Replace MySQL with MariaDB

2013-01-23 Thread Bill Nottingham
Peter Robinson (pbrobin...@gmail.com) said: > > "Default" might not be the exactly correct word here. The main thing > > I'm expecting would be that the "mysql database" package group would > > actually give you mariadb, as would the anaconda checkbox. > > Will it be designed to work with the al

Proposed F19 Feature: Ryu - Network Operating System

2013-01-23 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
= Features/Ryu = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Ryu Feature owner(s): Isaku Yamahata Ryu Network Operating System http://www.osrg.net/ryu/ == Detailed description == Ryu is an Operating System for Software Defined Networking. Ryu aims to provide a logically centralized control and w

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Ryu - Network Operating System

2013-01-23 Thread Dennis Jacobfeuerborn
On 01/23/2013 04:25 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > = Features/Ryu = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Ryu > > Feature owner(s): Isaku Yamahata > > Ryu Network Operating System http://www.osrg.net/ryu/ > > == Detailed description == > Ryu is an Operating System for Software Defined Netwo

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Guile2

2013-01-23 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, 23 Jan 2013 09:58:09 -0500 (EST) Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > = Features/Guile2 = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Guile2 > > Feature owner(s): Jan Synacek > > Update GNU Guile to version 2.0.x in Fedora 19. > > == Detailed description == > Current guile package will be upgrade

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Replace MySQL with MariaDB

2013-01-23 Thread Tom Lane
Peter Robinson writes: > Will it be designed to work with the alternatives infrastructure so > that those that actually want mysql can swap it in/out? No; we're specifically *not* interested in building alternatives infrastructure. It would be a waste of effort if we're going to stop shipping my

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Ryu - Network Operating System

2013-01-23 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 23.1.2013 16:44, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn napsal(a): On 01/23/2013 04:25 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: = Features/Ryu = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Ryu Feature owner(s): Isaku Yamahata Ryu Network Operating System http://www.osrg.net/ryu/ == Detailed description == Ryu is an Operat

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Ryu - Network Operating System

2013-01-23 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message - > On 01/23/2013 04:25 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > > = Features/Ryu = > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Ryu > > > > Feature owner(s): Isaku Yamahata > > > > Ryu Network Operating System http://www.osrg.net/ryu/ > > > > == Detailed description == > > Ryu is

Re: Fedora Windows Spice/Virtio KVM drivers and tools (was Re: Red Hat QXL GPU Driver for Windows 7?)

2013-01-23 Thread Simone Caronni
On 23 January 2013 16:11, Christophe Fergeau wrote: > > 1) Recent version from Fedora in iso format > > - No WHQL, no changelog, no QXL drivers, no Spice Agent available, no > source > > Err, there are sources, see > http://secondary.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/virtio-win/latest/images/src/ > Well

Re: Fedora Windows Spice/Virtio KVM drivers and tools (was Re: Red Hat QXL GPU Driver for Windows 7?)

2013-01-23 Thread drago01
On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 2:24 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Wed, Jan 09, 2013 at 04:39:06PM +0100, Simone Caronni wrote: >> I'm not asking for WHQL as I understand this is a "benefit" for the Redhat >> subscriptions. > > Actually WHQL simply cannot be done by Fedora even if we wanted to. > It'

Re: what is the current state of ext4 metadata checksums in Fedora?

2013-01-23 Thread Michał Piotrowski
2013/1/23 Benjamin Lewis : [..] > I've been using it for a few months, and whilst it hasn't yet found any > corruption that would otherwise have been missed (which probably means > my drives are good!), it also hasn't been the cause of any. Good to hear. I think I'll try this feature when I buy ne

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: JRuby 1.7 - JRuby is an alternative Ruby implementation

2013-01-23 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 08:05:23AM -0500, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > What should "/usr/bin/ruby" point to? > Took a look just to make sure -- this portion needs to get into the new packaging guidelines. Maybe in the Applicatoins section? -Toshio pgpFRnqNwXwpf.pgp Description: PGP signature -- d

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Ryu - Network Operating System

2013-01-23 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 03:25:53PM +, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > = Features/Ryu = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Ryu Given , this gets a big +1 from me. -- Matthew Miller ☁☁☁ Fedora Cloud Architect ☁☁☁ -- devel mailing list d

Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2013-01-23)

2013-01-23 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message - > Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo > meeting Wednesday at 18:00UTC (1:00pm EST, 19:00 CET) in > #fedora-meeting on > irc.freenode.net. > > Links to all tickets below can be found at: > https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/report/9 > > = Fo

Re: x2go and nx-libs

2013-01-23 Thread Pavel Lisy
Orion Poplawski píše v Út 22. 01. 2013 v 16:49 -0700: > I'm starting to look at packaging up x2go (http://x2go.org) which appears to > be taking up the charge of maintaining the nx libraries as well as developing > new tools around it. > > So the proposal would be to replace the current "nx" pac

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: JRuby 1.7 - JRuby is an alternative Ruby implementation

2013-01-23 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 12:44:16PM +0100, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: > On 01/23/2013 07:28 AM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > >As JRuby is setup to share pure ruby gems with ruby, I don't think this can > >be approved (inlcuding the update to the jruby package to do this) until FPC > >rules on whether it's

Proposed F19 Feature: Ns3 network simulator

2013-01-23 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
= Features/Ns3 = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Ns3 Feature owner(s): Vedran Miletić Design packaging scheme for ns-3 network simulator and provide it in Fedora. == Detailed description == "ns-3 is a discrete-event network simulator for Internet systems, targeted primarily for resea

Re: Fedora Windows Spice/Virtio KVM drivers and tools (was Re: Red Hat QXL GPU Driver for Windows 7?)

2013-01-23 Thread Simone Caronni
On 23 January 2013 17:20, drago01 wrote: > > Actually WHQL simply cannot be done by Fedora even if we wanted to. > > It's an MSFT test programme that costs money, plus MSFT refuse to do > > it for GPL drivers. > > If that is the case then GPL is a poor license choice in that case > (unless it lin

[rawhide] ideas to improve rawhide

2013-01-23 Thread Kevin Fenzi
Greetings. As some of you may know, I switched my laptop over to rawhide and have been posting a series of blogs about the various issues I have run into in the last month. To recap from those: - xfce4-session crash: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=891113 (work around clearing

[Bug 893916] perl-DBD-CSV-0.38 is available

2013-01-23 Thread bugzilla
Product: Fedora https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=893916 --- Comment #3 from Fedora Update System --- Package perl-Clone-0.34-1.fc18, perl-DBI-1.623-1.fc18, perl-DBD-CSV-0.38-1.fc18: * should fix your issue, * was pushed to the Fedora 18 testing repository, * should be available at your

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Ryu - Network Operating System

2013-01-23 Thread Pete Zaitcev
On Wed, 23 Jan 2013 15:25:53 + Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > Currently, Ryu manages network devices by using OpenFlow. You > can say that Ryu is an OpenFlow Controller. I'm just curious about something. Not saying if we need or do not need Ryu in Fedora, I notice that Ryu attempts to insert itse

Proposed F19 Feature: SSSD improve AD integration

2013-01-23 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
= Features/SSSDImproveADIntegration = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/SSSDImproveADIntegration Feature owner(s): Jakub Hrozek , Sumit Bose The next major release of SSSD will include support for more advanced AD features for domain members. This includes site support and trusted dom

Re: [rawhide] ideas to improve rawhide

2013-01-23 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 01/23/2013 11:55 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: Greetings. As some of you may know, I switched my laptop over to rawhide and have been posting a series of blogs about the various issues I have run into in the last month. To recap from those: - xfce4-session crash: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/sho

Re: [rawhide] ideas to improve rawhide

2013-01-23 Thread Paulo César Pereira de Andrade
2013/1/23 Kevin Fenzi : > Greetings. > > As some of you may know, I switched my laptop over to rawhide and have > been posting a series of blogs about the various issues I have run into > in the last month. [...] > So, I've been collecting ideas on how to improve things in rawhide and > have made

Proposed F19 Feature: First-Class Cloud Images

2013-01-23 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
= Features/FirstClassCloudImages = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/FirstClassCloudImages Feature owner(s): Matthew Miller This feature expands Fedora's current cloud image deliverables beyond just EC2, and overhauls how they are produced. The goal is to produce cloud images for EC2

Re: Reproposed F19 Feature: Fix Network Name Resolution [Was: DualstackNetworking]

2013-01-23 Thread Dan Williams
On Wed, 2013-01-23 at 02:46 +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Mon, 21.01.13 10:25, Daniel P. Berrange (berra...@redhat.com) wrote: > > > > The glibc maintainers don't seem to be against this idea and I am > > > willing to put time into design and implementation. > > > > Perhaps I'm misunderst

Re: [rawhide] ideas to improve rawhide

2013-01-23 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, 23 Jan 2013 12:08:21 -0500 "Clyde E. Kunkel" wrote: > Would issues with specific 3.8 kernel drivers affecting rawhide be a > candidate? Candidate for a tracker bug? Perhaps. It would depend on how widespread the issue is. Definitely do file a bug on it, and if you think it's a common ha

Re: Reproposed F19 Feature: Fix Network Name Resolution [Was: DualstackNetworking]

2013-01-23 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 11:24:25AM -0600, Dan Williams wrote: > On Wed, 2013-01-23 at 02:46 +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote: > > On Mon, 21.01.13 10:25, Daniel P. Berrange (berra...@redhat.com) wrote: > > > > > > The glibc maintainers don't seem to be against this idea and I am > > > > willing to

Re: [rawhide] ideas to improve rawhide

2013-01-23 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, 23 Jan 2013 15:11:11 -0200 Paulo César Pereira de Andrade wrote: > Out of curiosity, are you experiencing this, or am I just unlucky? > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=894623 > (I did not debug it and am using a f18 computer for local runs of > fedora-review or mock). I hav

Re: [rawhide] ideas to improve rawhide

2013-01-23 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 09:55:07 -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: So, I've been collecting ideas on how to improve things in rawhide and have made a wiki page for these ideas. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Rawhide_improvement_project_2013 Would the rawhide tracker bug be for rawhide users? I'm g

Re: Heads-up: cyrus-sasl-2.1.26 with libsasl2 soname bump

2013-01-23 Thread Petr Lautrbach
On 01/23/2013 10:53 AM, Petr Pisar wrote: On 2013-01-22, Petr Lautrbach wrote: I'm going to push update cyrus-sasl-2.1.26 into Rawhide soon. Part of this update is also SONAME bump to libsasl2.so.3. The main issue with this update is that it would break buildroot since there is the openldap p

Re: Reproposed F19 Feature: Fix Network Name Resolution [Was: DualstackNetworking]

2013-01-23 Thread John Reiser
On 01/23/2013 09:27 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: > On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 11:24:25AM -0600, Dan Williams wrote: >> On Wed, 2013-01-23 at 02:46 +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote: >>> On Mon, 21.01.13 10:25, Daniel P. Berrange (berra...@redhat.com) wrote: >>> > The glibc maintainers don't seem to

Re: [rawhide] ideas to improve rawhide

2013-01-23 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 01/23/2013 12:25 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Wed, 23 Jan 2013 12:08:21 -0500 "Clyde E. Kunkel" wrote: Would issues with specific 3.8 kernel drivers affecting rawhide be a candidate? Candidate for a tracker bug? Perhaps. It would depend on how widespread the issue is. Definitely do file a bu

Fedora ARM weekly status meeting 2013-01-23

2013-01-23 Thread Paul Whalen
This weeks Fedora ARM status meeting will take place today (Wednesday Jan 23rd) in #fedora-meeting-1 on Freenode. Times in various time zones (please let us know if these do not work): PDT: 1pm MDT: 2pm CDT: 3pm EDT: 4pm UTC: 8pm BST: 9pm CST: 10pm Current items on the agenda: 0) Status of ACTI

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: JRuby 1.7 - JRuby is an alternative Ruby implementation

2013-01-23 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > = Features/JRuby 1.7 = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/JRuby_1.7 > What should "/usr/bin/ruby" point to? During standard Gem packaging process, > the executable files in Gems get shebangs according to the binary that they > ar

Re: [rawhide] ideas to improve rawhide

2013-01-23 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, 23 Jan 2013 11:43:00 -0600 Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 09:55:07 -0700, >Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > > >So, I've been collecting ideas on how to improve things in rawhide > >and have made a wiki page for these ideas. > > > >https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Rawhide_improv

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: JRuby 1.7 - JRuby is an alternative Ruby implementation

2013-01-23 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > As decided by FESCo on 2012-12-05 meeting, all proposed Features are required > to pass through the community review by announcing them on devel-announce > list. > FESCo votes on new features no sooner than a week from the announcement. >

Re: Static Analysis: proposed interchange format ("firehose")

2013-01-23 Thread David Malcolm
On Thu, 2013-01-17 at 13:33 +0800, Daniel Veillard wrote: > On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 03:53:56PM -0500, David Malcolm wrote: > > This is a followup to my proposal in > > http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2012-December/175232.html > > > > I want a common output format for static analysis

Proposed F19 Feature: Fedora Upgrade - using yum

2013-01-23 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
= Features/FedoraUpgrade = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/FedoraUpgrade Feature owner(s): Miroslav Suchý Upgrade Fedora to next version using yum upgrade. == Detailed description == In past (until Fedora 17) we could upgrade Fedora using Anaconda Upgrade and PreUpgrade. Now (in Fe

Re: [rawhide] ideas to improve rawhide

2013-01-23 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 11:01:50 -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: yep. This is one reason I would prefer to just drop the inheritance. How would that work at branch? Would we always do a mass rebuild at branch? Would we use a special tag of packages at branch and inherit them, but not later chan

Re: Reproposed F19 Feature: Fix Network Name Resolution [Was: DualstackNetworking]

2013-01-23 Thread Dan Williams
On Wed, 2013-01-23 at 09:48 -0800, John Reiser wrote: > On 01/23/2013 09:27 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 11:24:25AM -0600, Dan Williams wrote: > >> On Wed, 2013-01-23 at 02:46 +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote: > >>> On Mon, 21.01.13 10:25, Daniel P. Berrange (berra...@re

Proposed F19 Feature: Scratch for Fedora

2013-01-23 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
= Features/Scratch = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Scratch Feature owner(s): Matthew Miller Scratch is an educational programming environment which makes it easy to create games, animations, and art. It's open source and would be a great addition to Fedora. == Detailed descripti

Proposed F19 Feature: OpenStack Grizzly

2013-01-23 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
= Features/OpenStack Grizzly = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/OpenStack_Grizzly Feature owner(s): Pádraig Brady OpenStack will be upgraded to the next major stable release, called "Grizzly". In addition the new OpenStack "heat" and "ceilometer" incubation projects will be included.

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Fedora Upgrade - using yum

2013-01-23 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Wed, 23.01.13 18:04, Jaroslav Reznik (jrez...@redhat.com) wrote: > FedUp is in fact yum-upgrade as well, but in dracut environment (aka off-line > upgrade). Some devels say that offline upgrade is only way. But on-line > upgrade > is possible. E.g in Debian world it is even prefered method.

Re: [rawhide] ideas to improve rawhide

2013-01-23 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Mer 23 janvier 2013 19:01, Kevin Fenzi a écrit : > On Wed, 23 Jan 2013 11:43:00 -0600 > Bruno Wolff III wrote: > >> On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 09:55:07 -0700, >>Kevin Fenzi wrote: >> > >> >So, I've been collecting ideas on how to improve things in rawhide >> >and have made a wiki page for th

Re: Reproposed F19 Feature: Fix Network Name Resolution [Was: DualstackNetworking]

2013-01-23 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Wed, 23.01.13 12:35, Dan Williams (d...@redhat.com) wrote: > > >>> Bh. It's designed around process signal delivery. I am > > >>> shuddering. > > >> > > >> Ew. Signals are not an event loop API. Signals are not an event loop > > >> API. Signals are not an event loop API. But apparently

Re: Self introduction

2013-01-23 Thread Matthias Runge
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/22/2013 09:14 PM, Ben Harper wrote: > Currently I do not have package I am looking to get approved, but > just looking for a sponsor. I would like to prove that I can > follow the documation and create quality packages. I have been > reading ov

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Fedora Upgrade - using yum

2013-01-23 Thread Kay Sievers
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 7:50 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Wed, 23.01.13 18:04, Jaroslav Reznik (jrez...@redhat.com) wrote: > >> FedUp is in fact yum-upgrade as well, but in dracut environment (aka off-line >> upgrade). Some devels say that offline upgrade is only way. But on-line >> upgrade

Summary/Minutes for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2013-01-23)

2013-01-23 Thread Bill Nottingham
=== #fedora-meeting: FESCO (2013-01-23) === Meeting started by notting at 18:01:20 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-01-23/fesco.2013-01-23-18.01.log.html . Meeting summary

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Fedora Upgrade - using yum

2013-01-23 Thread Josh Boyer
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 1:04 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > = Features/FedoraUpgrade = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/FedoraUpgrade > > Feature owner(s): Miroslav Suchý > > Upgrade Fedora to next version using yum upgrade. I see no reason to make this an officially supported method to

Re: Reproposed F19 Feature: Fix Network Name Resolution [Was: DualstackNetworking]

2013-01-23 Thread John Reiser
On 01/23/2013 10:35 AM, Dan Williams wrote: > On Wed, 2013-01-23 at 09:48 -0800, John Reiser wrote: >> The signal handler can write a packet into a pipe from the process to itself, >> and that can be hooked up to an event loop API. > Clearly. But then you have to deal with signal handling and al

Proposed F19 Feature: Checkpoint/Restore

2013-01-23 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
= Features/Checkpoint Restore = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Checkpoint_Restore Feature owner(s): Adrian Reber Add support to checkpoint and restore processes. Checkpointing processes can be used for fault tolerance and/or load balancing. Checkpointing a process in regular interval

Re: [rawhide] ideas to improve rawhide

2013-01-23 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 11:01:50AM -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Wed, 23 Jan 2013 11:43:00 -0600 > Bruno Wolff III wrote: > > I'd like to see a stronger push to have packagers start work in > > master, not branched. Inheritance ends up leaving stuff broken longer > > in rawhide and doesn't test b

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Checkpoint/Restore

2013-01-23 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 07:35:50PM +, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > To offer the checkpoint/restore functionality the package crtools has been > imported into Fedora and changes are still necessary to the kernel RPM. Is this feature suggesting implementing everything up until that point and waitin

Proposed F19 Feature: Syslinux Option

2013-01-23 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
= Features/SyslinuxOption = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/SyslinuxOption Feature owner(s): Matthew Miller This feature will make Syslinux an optional bootloader for Fedora, in kickstart and via a hidden Anaconda option. When used this way, it will replace grub2. == Detailed descri

Proposed F19 Feature: Java 8

2013-01-23 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
= Features/Java8TechPreview = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Java8TechPreview Feature owner(s): Deepak Bhole Add a tech preview preview of the the upcoming version of Java (OpenJDK8) to Fedora 19. == Detailed description == The current Java implementation in Fedora comes from OpenJDK.

Re: [rawhide] ideas to improve rawhide

2013-01-23 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 09:55:07AM -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > Greetings. > > As some of you may know, I switched my laptop over to rawhide and have > been posting a series of blogs about the various issues I have run into > in the last month. > So, I've been collecting ideas on how to improve

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Fedora Upgrade - using yum

2013-01-23 Thread Bruno Wolff III
If this method will be tested by FedoraQA, then I believe this upgrade method can be safely recommended to user. The feature owners of this need to do the testing and prodding, not QA. The way this feature is written, it seems to imply that QA is supposed to implement this feature. Note t

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

2013-01-23 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2013-01-16 at 09:53 +0100, Jochen Schmitt wrote: > Hallo, > > for Fedora 17 we had a feature to make btrfs to the > standard filesystem of Fedora. This feature was defered > because the fsck utitlities for btrfs was not available > on the stable state for Fedora 17. > > So, I would like t

Proposed F19 Feature: systemd/udev Predictable Network Interface Names

2013-01-23 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
= Features/SystemdPredictableNetworkInterfaceNames = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/SystemdPredictableNetworkInterfaceNames Feature owner(s): Kay Sievers The udevd service has a long history of providing predicatable names for block devices and others. For Fedora 19 we'd like to prov

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Java 8

2013-01-23 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed 23 Jan 2013 02:53:30 PM EST, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > = Features/Java8TechPreview = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Java8TechPreview > > Feature owner(s): Deepak Bhole > > Add a tech preview preview of the the upcoming version of Java

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Syslinux Option

2013-01-23 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, 23 Jan 2013 19:30:09 + Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > = Features/SyslinuxOption = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/SyslinuxOption > > Feature owner(s): Matthew Miller > > This feature will make Syslinux an optional bootloader for Fedora, in > kickstart and via a hidden Anacond

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Syslinux Option

2013-01-23 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Wed, 23.01.13 13:17, Kevin Fenzi (ke...@scrye.com) wrote: > > The Syslinux bootloader has been part of Fedora for over a decade. > > It's been well-tested as the loader for the installer, but we've > > always used something else on the installed OS. Newer versions of > > Syslinux (in the form o

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd/udev Predictable Network Interface Names

2013-01-23 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 07:59:07PM +, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > The udevd service has a long history of providing predicatable names for > block devices and others. For Fedora 19 we'd like to provide the same for > network interfaces, following a similar naming scheme, but only as > fallback if

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Java 8

2013-01-23 Thread Deepak Bhole
* Stephen Gallagher [2013-01-23 15:22]: > On Wed 23 Jan 2013 02:53:30 PM EST, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > > = Features/Java8TechPreview = > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Java8TechPreview > > > > Feature owner(s): Deepak Bhole > > > > Add a tech preview preview of the the upcoming version

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Syslinux Option

2013-01-23 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 01:17:12PM -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > a) I assume we aren't going to be adding secure boot support to it? Right -- explicitly out of scope for this. Could be a future feature but we don't need it now and certainly wouldn't want to make it a feature blocker. > b) It might

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Checkpoint/Restore

2013-01-23 Thread Josh Boyer
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > To offer the checkpoint/restore functionality the package crtools has been > imported into Fedora and changes are still necessary to the kernel RPM. The CRIU page doesn't say you need CONFIG_NAMESPACES enabled to use CRIU. Also, there is n

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

2013-01-23 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2013-01-23 at 12:08 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: Mistakenly left this paragraph incomplete, completion follows: > I understand that btrfs is a Different Way Of Doing Things, but I don't > think it flies to tell people 'yeah, the tools you've relied on for > simple info on filesystems for

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd/udev Predictable Network Interface Names

2013-01-23 Thread John Reiser
On 01/23/2013 12:26 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > Also, I strongly question this line in the Feature page: > > "Users generally won't see this, as interface names are not exposed in >high-level UIs." > > This is simply not true for many values of the word "user" I agree with Matthew that or

Re: [rawhide] ideas to improve rawhide

2013-01-23 Thread Michael Scherer
Le mercredi 23 janvier 2013 à 20:02 +, Daniel P. Berrange a écrit : > If the deps provided by a new build have changed, then verify that > the change deps don't cause breakage. If they do, then do not allow > the new build into the rawhide target. Queue the build in some kind > of build specif

drop inheritance at f19 branch point?

2013-01-23 Thread Kevin Fenzi
I know we have discussed this before, but I've filed a FESCo ticket to ask them one way or another about the issue: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1005 Feedback welcome. If you are a maintainer who doesn't have a minute to do a rawhide build during the branched cycle, would you be open to

Re: [rawhide] ideas to improve rawhide

2013-01-23 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, 23 Jan 2013 20:02:44 + "Daniel P. Berrange" wrote: > If the deps provided by a new build have changed, then verify that > the change deps don't cause breakage. If they do, then do not allow > the new build into the rawhide target. Queue the build in some kind > of build specific 'pend

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Guile2

2013-01-23 Thread Bill Nottingham
Jaroslav Reznik (jrez...@redhat.com) said: > = Features/Guile2 = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Guile2 > > Feature owner(s): Jan Synacek > > Update GNU Guile to version 2.0.x in Fedora 19. > > == Detailed description == > Current guile package will be upgraded to 2.0.x. > > compa

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Shared System Certificates

2013-01-23 Thread Bill Nottingham
Jaroslav Reznik (jrez...@redhat.com) said: > OpenSSL: p11-kit tool will extract trusted certificate PEM blocks from > the > PKCS#11 trust module. > These extracted certificates will be placed in a location so that > they > can be consumed by OpenSSL by default. >

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