On Fri, 2012-12-07 at 20:36 +0100, Till Maas wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 07, 2012 at 02:28:16PM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
> > On Fri, Dec 07, 2012 at 08:11:08PM +0100, Till Maas wrote:
> > > > * 960 - F18 schedule + the holidays (notting, 18:50:29)
> > > > * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Jaro
On Fri, 2012-12-07 at 20:11 +0100, Till Maas wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 05, 2012 at 03:20:14PM -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote:
>
> > * 960 - F18 schedule + the holidays (notting, 18:50:29)
> > * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JaroslavReznik/FedupF18Final -
> > not updated yet (jreznik, 18:58
On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 20:43:48 +0100, I wrote:
> 2011-06-23 : FTBFS not responded to
> 2010-06-30 : -static packaging bug not responded to
>
> Plus, release 0.89 from 20-May-2011 is available whereas Fedora contains
> 0.84 from 2010 ( http://sourceforge.net/projects/courier/files/cone/ ).
>
> This
On Sat, Dec 08, 2012 at 12:10:36AM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Fri, 2012-12-07 at 20:11 +0100, Till Maas wrote:
> > On Wed, Dec 05, 2012 at 03:20:14PM -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> >
> > > * 960 - F18 schedule + the holidays (notting, 18:50:29)
> > > * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/w
On 12/08/2012 01:46 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
I'm not sure
if there's an 'update-safe' way of doing this.
Instead of updating the "system" theme he could copy&paste the
/boot/grub2/themes/system directory and call it "/boot/grub2/themes/les"
and in /etc/default/grub add:
GRUB_THEME="/boot/
This IS a rant. And this includes a few analogies. Some good, some bad.
This is one of the reasons why I chose to run for board.
Nobody really knows where Fedora is going. It's like a too many chefs problem.
Sometimes Fedora just feels like a bunch of people/SIGs working independent of
each ot
Compose started at Sat Dec 8 09:15:43 UTC 2012
New package: PackageKit-Qt-0.8.6-3.fc18
Qt support library for PackageKit
New package: cliquer-1.21-4.fc18
Find cliques in arbitrary weighted graphs
New package: kcm_wacomtablet-1.3.7-2.fc18
KDE Control
Compose started at Sat Dec 8 08:15:10 UTC 2012
Broken deps for x86_64
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[ansible]
ansible-fireball-0.9-1.fc19.noarch requires python-keyczar
ansible-node-fireball-0.9-1.fc19.noarch requires python-keyczar
[ape]
ape-2
2012/12/7 Tomas Radej :
> The threat for Fedora is that even in the FOSS, there is competition.
> Distros are competing for users - users that give back, users that
> report bugs, or users that are or become maintainers and developers.
> When the overwhelming response to Fedora is "Hey, they've go
On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 7:12 AM, Dan Mashal wrote:
> This IS a rant. And this includes a few analogies. Some good, some bad.
>
> This is one of the reasons why I chose to run for board.
>
> Nobody really knows where Fedora is going. It's like a too many chefs problem.
We might not have enough chef
On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 9:35 PM, Clyde E. Kunkel wrote:
>
> >I imagine it boils down to money since Fedora=free and RHEL=$$$.
> Corporate suits will will weigh cost >of Fedora support vs RHEL support and
> decide accordingly.
>
> >Or if money is an issue use Centos.
Not really! We are already a
On Sunday, December 09, 2012 12:12 AM, Arun SAG wrote:
On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 9:35 PM, Clyde E. Kunkel
mailto:clydekunkel7...@verizon.net>> wrote:
>I imagine it boils down to money since Fedora=free and RHEL=$$$.
Corporate suits will will weigh cost >of Fedora support vs RHEL
sup
On Sat, Dec 08, 2012 at 08:12:24 -0800,
Arun SAG wrote:
Not really! We are already a customer of RHEL. Money is not the problem. We
want our users to use the latest software out there but we also want to
reduce the upgrade cycle.
You CANNOT disturb every developer in a company to upgrade hi
Le samedi 08 décembre 2012 à 05:12 -0800, Dan Mashal a écrit :
> This IS a rant. And this includes a few analogies. Some good, some bad.
>
> This is one of the reasons why I chose to run for board.
>
> Nobody really knows where Fedora is going. It's like a too many chefs
> problem.
>
> Sometim
On Sat, 2012-12-08 at 17:31 +0100, Michael Scherer wrote:
> > In my opinion the vision needs to be changed. It feels like Fedora has
> > turned into
> > Rawhide more than Fedora with 17 and even more so with 18.
>
> You mean like people who are pushing features
> (https://fedoraproject.org/wik
On Sat, Dec 08, 2012 at 09:32:01AM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
> In general, adding packages in an update is actually a fairly safe thing
> to do, as it's very unlikely to disturb any existing setups unless some
> of those packages somehow provide stuff existing packages might depend
> on. You ha
On 12/08/2012 12:32 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
In general, adding packages in an update is actually a fairly safe
thing to do, as it's very unlikely to disturb any existing setups
unless some of those packages somehow provide stuff existing packages
might depend on. You have to explicitly insta
On Sat, 08 Dec 2012 17:31:54 +0100
Michael Scherer wrote:
...snip...
> in fact speaking of more testing in rawhide, do you run rawhide ?
> If not, maybe that's something that is part of the problem, and the
> first step to a solution. IE, someone should volunteer, and get enough
> feedback on
On 12/08/2012 05:31 PM, Michael Scherer wrote:
Le samedi 08 décembre 2012 à 05:12 -0800, Dan Mashal a écrit :
In fact, I never heard anyone complaining about "kde is dying" while the
numbers are much more worrisome :
http://www.ohloh.net/p/kde/contributors/summary
Maybe that's caused by
Le samedi 08 décembre 2012 à 09:32 -0800, Adam Williamson a écrit :
> On Sat, 2012-12-08 at 17:31 +0100, Michael Scherer wrote:
>
> > > In my opinion the vision needs to be changed. It feels like Fedora has
> > > turned into
> > > Rawhide more than Fedora with 17 and even more so with 18.
> >
On 12/07/2012 08:26 PM, Mark Bidewell wrote:
>
> It underscores the need for the base OS or core to be absolutely as small as
> possible. FreeBSD provides a good model, small installed system customized
> with packages/ports. Personally I would like to see a three-level approach:
>
> Level 1
On 12/08/2012 01:48 PM, Roberto Ragusa wrote:
(my two cents, as someone using Red Hat / Fedora daily since RH5.1,
and never stepping up as Fedora packager because too scared by the
bureaucracy)
Can you be more specific? What sort of bureaucracy do you think is
avoidable in the current proce
Am 08.12.2012 17:19, schrieb Mathieu Bridon:
>> You CANNOT disturb every developer in a company to upgrade his box every
>> 6 months.
>
> You don't have to upgrade every 6 months.
> I'm still running Fedora 16 at work because I haven't had time to upgrade
finally you have to
yes, you can from
Am 08.12.2012 17:25, schrieb Bruno Wolff III:
> On Sat, Dec 08, 2012 at 08:12:24 -0800,
> Arun SAG wrote:
>>
>> Not really! We are already a customer of RHEL. Money is not the problem. We
>> want our users to use the latest software out there but we also want to
>> reduce the upgrade cycle.
>
On Sat, 2012-12-08 at 06:34 -0600, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
> On 12/08/2012 01:46 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > I'm not sure
> > if there's an 'update-safe' way of doing this.
>
> Instead of updating the "system" theme he could copy&paste the
> /boot/grub2/themes/system directory and call it "
On 2012-12-07 11:54 (GMT-0800) les composed:
My name is Les Howell. I do semiconductor test programs for mainframe
ATE.
My current issue is with GRUB2. I am slightly visually impaired due to
glaucoma. This is important, because setting my system up to use bigger
fonts is vi
Le samedi 08 décembre 2012 à 19:31 +0100, Ralf Corsepius a écrit :
> On 12/08/2012 05:31 PM, Michael Scherer wrote:
> > Le samedi 08 décembre 2012 à 05:12 -0800, Dan Mashal a écrit :
>
> > In fact, I never heard anyone complaining about "kde is dying" while the
> > numbers are much more worrisome
Kevin,
This is great and is exactly what I was talking about.
Michael,
For the record, yes I run rawhide.
I have Fedora 14,16,17,18 and 19 running here.
Dan
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From: devel-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org
[mailto:devel-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org] On Behalf Of Kevin
Please don't speak about things you don't understand.
MATE 1.5 is more stable than 1.4 and was pushed for a reason.
Dan
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From: devel-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org
[mailto:devel-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org] On Behalf Of Michael Scherer
Sent: Saturday, December 08,
On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 1:48 PM, Roberto Ragusa wrote:
> On 12/07/2012 08:26 PM, Mark Bidewell wrote:
> >
> > It underscores the need for the base OS or core to be absolutely as
> small as possible. FreeBSD provides a good model, small installed system
> customized with packages/ports. Personally
On 12/08/2012 05:07 AM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote:
On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Arun SAG wrote:
On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 5:32 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson"
wrote:
If we want to solve this we need to release an Fedora LTS release for our
and the potential other user >base that don't have
On 12/08/2012 05:51 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
My primary problem with Fedora isn't "lack of stability", but lack of
API/ABI and UI-stability/persistence/sustainability between upgrades.
In other words, I can cope with the number of crashes upgrades
typically come along with, but the number "
On Fri, 01 Jun 2012 15:55:18 +0200, Brendan Jones wrote:
> On 06/01/2012 03:24 PM, Jameson wrote:
> > Unfortunately, I'm no longer in a position to maintain the projectM
> > packages (libprojectM, libprojectM-qt, projectM-jack,
> > projectM-libvisual, and projectM-pulseaudio), so I will need to or
On Sat, 2012-12-08 at 15:06 -0500, Felix Miata wrote:
> On 2012-12-07 11:54 (GMT-0800) les composed:
>
> > My name is Les Howell. I do semiconductor test programs for mainframe
> > ATE.
>
> > My current issue is with GRUB2. I am slightly visually impaired due to
> > glaucoma. This is i
On 12/09/2012 12:20 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
On 12/08/2012 05:51 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
My primary problem with Fedora isn't "lack of stability", but lack of
API/ABI and UI-stability/persistence/sustainability between upgrades.
In other words, I can cope with the number of crashes
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