Re: new setting for SYSFONT attribute

2012-11-02 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Fri, Nov 02, 2012 at 01:19:54AM -0400, Anish Patil wrote: > On fedora 17, system-config-language sets attributes LANG,SYSFONT in > /etc/sysconfig/i18n file. > Fedora 18, i checked the locale.conf file which has only one attribute i.e > LANG. > I would like to know where SYSFONT attribute is se

Re: Fedora 18 : broken configuration for httpd 2.4

2012-11-02 Thread Remi Collet
Le 01/11/2012 18:25, Jason L Tibbitts III a écrit : > It would have been super nice to actually include a link in all of those > bugs, or some reference. I mean, they must have been filed by program, > so it's not as if you would have had to do a bunch of extra typing. > > We really need a "mass

Re: Fedora 18 : broken configuration for httpd 2.4

2012-11-02 Thread Remi Collet
Le 01/11/2012 18:25, Jason L Tibbitts III a écrit : > It would have been super nice to actually include a link in all of those > bugs, or some reference. I mean, they must have been filed by program, > so it's not as if you would have had to do a bunch of extra typing. No, nothing automatic here.

Re: Fedora 18 : broken configuration for httpd 2.4

2012-11-02 Thread Kushal Das
On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Remi Collet wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Le 30/10/2012 15:14, Remi Collet a écrit : >> So I open a tracker bug for this issues >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=871373 > > Finally : 60 open bugs. > Thanks for the bugs.

Re: [rhn-client-tools] Created tag rhn-client-tools-1.8.26-1.fc19

2012-11-02 Thread Nicolas Chauvet
Hi Miroslav, It sounds like you are missing f18 branch while creating new build Thx for the new spacewalk release! Nicolas (kwizart) 2012/11/2 Miroslav Suchý > The unsigned tag 'rhn-client-tools-1.8.26-1.fc19' was created. > > Tagger: Miroslav Suchý > Date: Fri Nov 2 11:29:04 2012 +0100 > >

Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID))

2012-11-02 Thread Stanislav Ochotnicky
Quoting Michael Cronenworth (2012-11-01 18:33:24) > Adam Williamson wrote: > > I didn't want to throw this grenade into the debate, but now someone > > else has, I'll just note that I was in favour of this before and I'm > > still in favour of it now. :) Rolling release is a model that makes > > cl

Re: Fedora 18 : broken configuration for httpd 2.4

2012-11-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 11/01/2012 05:25 PM, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: It would have been super nice to actually include a link in all of those bugs, or some reference. I mean, they must have been filed by program, so it's not as if you would have had to do a bunch of extra typing. Most of us do this actually ma

Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID))

2012-11-02 Thread Ian Malone
On 1 November 2012 17:33, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > Adam Williamson wrote: >> I didn't want to throw this grenade into the debate, but now someone >> else has, I'll just note that I was in favour of this before and I'm >> still in favour of it now. :) Rolling release is a model that makes >> cl

Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID))

2012-11-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 11/02/2012 10:55 AM, Stanislav Ochotnicky wrote: Quoting Michael Cronenworth (2012-11-01 18:33:24) Adam Williamson wrote: I didn't want to throw this grenade into the debate, but now someone else has, I'll just note that I was in favour of this before and I'm still in favour of it now. :) Ro

Re: Fedora 18 : broken configuration for httpd 2.4

2012-11-02 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
On 11/01/2012 06:25 PM, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: It would have been super nice to actually include a link in all of those bugs, or some reference. I mean, they must have been filed by program, so it's not as if you would have had to do a bunch of extra typing. We really need a "mass bug fili

Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID))

2012-11-02 Thread Josh Boyer
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 9:03 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > > Trust me when I say this we have to fix other processes we have *before* we > can properly fix the feature process. Which? > Until that is done there is no point in trying to fix the feature process. I disagree. While we might

Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID))

2012-11-02 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Fri, Nov 02, 2012 at 11:55:37AM +0100, Stanislav Ochotnicky wrote: > I recently came up with similar 3-layer idea. My description was a bit > different, something like this: > 1. level - rawhide-like repository, more or less anything goes > 2. level - package moves here after maintainer says "th

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Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID))

2012-11-02 Thread Michael Cronenworth
Ian Malone wrote: > How does this work with things like Anaconda? In a rolling model > (assuming you can do other major upgrades without reinstalling, if not > there's less point anyway), people aren't going to be reinstalling so > it could easily trickle through to stable before getting serious us

Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID))

2012-11-02 Thread Tom Lane
Stanislav Ochotnicky writes: > Quoting Michael Cronenworth (2012-11-01 18:33:24) >> I've wanted to write up a blog post about my plan for a rolling release, >> but I'll post a snip-it here. > I recently came up with similar 3-layer idea. In my little corner of the system, the main thing that cau

Re: Fedora 18 : broken configuration for httpd 2.4

2012-11-02 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
> "RC" == Remi Collet writes: RC> Have you notice than all this bugs depend on #871373 which provides RC> some useful information ? The useful information was not in the ticket. Which means it wasn't in the email. Which means I had to get over to a web browser, wait for bugzilla to load, a

[perl-String-CRC32] Correct dependencies

2012-11-02 Thread Petr Pisar
commit aa8cdcff3aeb24f317ed1ba3dfecdf7d02f6a324 Author: Petr Písař Date: Fri Nov 2 15:42:22 2012 +0100 Correct dependencies perl-String-CRC32.spec | 10 +- 1 files changed, 9 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-String-CRC32.spec b/perl-String-CRC32.spec index 436

Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID))

2012-11-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 11/02/2012 01:20 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 9:03 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: Trust me when I say this we have to fix other processes we have *before* we can properly fix the feature process. Which? As soon as an feature depends on other components or several other

Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID))

2012-11-02 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Nov 02, 2012 at 02:52:46PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > As soon as an feature depends on other components or several other > components and their maintainers involvement/participation, then for > example the unresponsive maintainers policy conflicts with the > feature process giv

Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID))

2012-11-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 11/02/2012 02:58 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Fri, Nov 02, 2012 at 02:52:46PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: As soon as an feature depends on other components or several other components and their maintainers involvement/participation, then for example the unresponsive maintainers poli

Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID))

2012-11-02 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Nov 02, 2012 at 03:12:56PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > >>As soon as an feature depends on other components or several other > >>components and their maintainers involvement/participation, then for > >>example the unresponsive maintainers policy conflicts with the > >>feature pro

[Bug 872158] perl-DateTime-TimeZone-1.52 is available

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[Bug 872158] perl-DateTime-TimeZone-1.52 is available

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[Bug 872158] perl-DateTime-TimeZone-1.52 is available

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Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID))

2012-11-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 11/02/2012 03:32 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Fri, Nov 02, 2012 at 03:12:56PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: As soon as an feature depends on other components or several other components and their maintainers involvement/participation, then for example the unresponsive maintainers poli

Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID))

2012-11-02 Thread Tom Lane
=?UTF-8?B?IkrDs2hhbm4gQi4gR3XDsG11bmRzc29uIg==?= writes: > On 11/02/2012 03:32 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: >> On Fri, Nov 02, 2012 at 03:12:56PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: >>> Dead/un-maintained packages need to be removed/reassigned at the >>> very *beginning* of an new development cyc

Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID))

2012-11-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 11/02/2012 04:25 PM, Tom Lane wrote: =?UTF-8?B?IkrDs2hhbm4gQi4gR3XDsG11bmRzc29uIg==?= writes: On 11/02/2012 03:32 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Fri, Nov 02, 2012 at 03:12:56PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: Dead/un-maintained packages need to be removed/reassigned at the very *begi

Re: f18tc6 + texlive 2012: usable docbook, doxygen pdf toolchains

2012-11-02 Thread Sérgio Basto
On Sex, 2012-11-02 at 02:53 +, Sérgio Basto wrote: > On Qui, 2012-11-01 at 19:14 -0700, Benjamin De Kosnik wrote: > > Using F18 TC6 in a KVM install, I was able to install texlive-2012 as > > per the updates-testing packages, and look at the state of generating > > documenation with DocBook t

Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID))

2012-11-02 Thread Tom Lane
=?UTF-8?B?IkrDs2hhbm4gQi4gR3XDsG11bmRzc29uIg==?= writes: > On 11/02/2012 04:25 PM, Tom Lane wrote: >> How exactly are you going to force maintainers who go missing to do so >> at a prescheduled time? Real life is seldom that convenient. > bash script + a cron job should suffice to achieve just t

Revamping the non responsive maintainer process

2012-11-02 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Fri, 02 Nov 2012 16:44:06 + "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > On 11/02/2012 04:25 PM, Tom Lane wrote: > > =?UTF-8?B?IkrDs2hhbm4gQi4gR3XDsG11bmRzc29uIg==?= > > writes: > >> On 11/02/2012 03:32 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > >>> On Fri, Nov 02, 2012 at 03:12:56PM +, "Jóhann B. > >>> Guðmu

Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID))

2012-11-02 Thread Jon Ciesla
Indeed. If someone owns 4 packages that are all stable and have no bug reports, are they inactive? -J On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 11:56 AM, Tom Lane wrote: > =?UTF-8?B?IkrDs2hhbm4gQi4gR3XDsG11bmRzc29uIg==?= > writes: > > On 11/02/2012 04:25 PM, Tom Lane wrote: > >> How exactly are you going to fo

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2012-11-02 Thread Iain Arnell
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Re: Revamping the non responsive maintainer process

2012-11-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 11/02/2012 04:56 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Fri, 02 Nov 2012 16:44:06 + "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: On 11/02/2012 04:25 PM, Tom Lane wrote: =?UTF-8?B?IkrDs2hhbm4gQi4gR3XDsG11bmRzc29uIg==?= writes: On 11/02/2012 03:32 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Fri, Nov 02, 2012 at 03:12:56PM +00

[perl-Catalyst-Manual] update to latest upstream version

2012-11-02 Thread Iain Arnell
commit 46ee9ac74ade858edbf0782a09ebceef424eb6ac Author: Iain Arnell Date: Fri Nov 2 12:04:45 2012 -0600 update to latest upstream version .gitignore|1 + perl-Catalyst-Manual.spec |7 +-- sources |2 +- 3 files changed, 7 insertions(+), 3

[perl-Catalyst-Manual] drop old test sub-package obsoletes/provides

2012-11-02 Thread Iain Arnell
commit 8ad2fd6c91fc8892254a13655da255971a4c812e Author: Iain Arnell Date: Fri Nov 2 12:04:55 2012 -0600 drop old test sub-package obsoletes/provides perl-Catalyst-Manual.spec |5 - 1 files changed, 0 insertions(+), 5 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-Catalyst-Manual.spec b/perl-C

Re: Revamping the non responsive maintainer process

2012-11-02 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, Nov 02, 2012 at 17:57:57 +, "\"Jóhann B. Guðmundsson\"" wrote: Surely if an individual has not logged into for several months into our infrastructure he must be inactive no? Not necessarily. You can watch things without having to login to infrastructure. Unless you need to mak

Re: Revamping the non responsive maintainer process

2012-11-02 Thread Jon Ciesla
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 12:57 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > On 11/02/2012 04:56 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > >> On Fri, 02 Nov 2012 16:44:06 + >> "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: >> >> On 11/02/2012 04:25 PM, Tom Lane wrote: >>> =?UTF-8?B?**IkrDs2hhbm4gQi4gR3XDsG11bmRzc2**9uIg==?=

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2012-11-02 Thread Iain Arnell
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Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID))

2012-11-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 11/02/2012 04:56 PM, Tom Lane wrote: >>How exactly are you going to force maintainers who go missing to do so >>at a prescheduled time? Real life is seldom that convenient. >bash script + a cron job should suffice to achieve just that. Somehow, we are failing to communicate. We would not

Re: Revamping the non responsive maintainer process

2012-11-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 11/02/2012 06:05 PM, Jon Ciesla wrote: No, they might simply have had nothing to do. Sometimes applications are stable, have no releases, and have no bugs files against them. Then those individuals would simply respond to the email that that was the case and they are still alive and ac

Re: Revamping the non responsive maintainer process

2012-11-02 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
- Original Message - > From: "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" > To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 7:57:57 PM > Subject: Re: Revamping the non responsive maintainer process > > On 11/02/2012 04:56 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > On Fri, 02 Nov 2012 16:44:06 + > > "Jó

Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID))

2012-11-02 Thread Emmanuel Seyman
* "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" [02/11/2012 18:59] : > > If at this point we dont have any process that can actively tell if > a maintainer is present and active within the project then we have > bigger fish to fry then the feature process... This really does not matter. We've had maintainers that were

Coordinating libffi upgrade

2012-11-02 Thread Anthony Green
Several months ago I attempted to upgrade libffi 3.0.10 to 3.0.11. The change was reverted because the soname change in this version of the library broke the build environment. I would still like to get 3.0.11 in Fedora. I don't anticipate any future ABI-breaking changes, and 3.0.12 will incl

[perl-Module-Signature] Created tag perl-Module-Signature-0.69-1.fc18

2012-11-02 Thread Paul Howarth
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[perl-Module-Signature] Created tag perl-Module-Signature-0.69-1.fc19

2012-11-02 Thread Paul Howarth
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Re: Revamping the non responsive maintainer process

2012-11-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 11/02/2012 06:27 PM, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote: Wrong. Do you know how few of the problems we see in Eclipse land don't need fixes upstreams? And some of these issues require man/months (years sometimes) upstream before there is smth to show in Fedora. Don't make your assumptions based on t

Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID))

2012-11-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 11/02/2012 06:56 PM, Emmanuel Seyman wrote: If a package is unmaintained, send out a call to co-maintain to devel@ and open up its ACLs. That package would hardly be un-maintained if it has co-maintainers now does it... JBG -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin

Rolling release model philosophy (was Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID)))

2012-11-02 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2012-11-02 at 11:55 +0100, Stanislav Ochotnicky wrote: > Quoting Michael Cronenworth (2012-11-01 18:33:24) > > Adam Williamson wrote: > > > I didn't want to throw this grenade into the debate, but now someone > > > else has, I'll just note that I was in favour of this before and I'm > > > s

Re: Coordinating libffi upgrade

2012-11-02 Thread Adam Jackson
On 11/2/12 3:18 PM, Anthony Green wrote: Several months ago I attempted to upgrade libffi 3.0.10 to 3.0.11. The change was reverted because the soname change in this version of the library broke the build environment. I would still like to get 3.0.11 in Fedora. I don't anticipate any future ABI

Re: Rolling release model philosophy (was Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID)))

2012-11-02 Thread drago01
Well your point basically is "we can't/don't ship anything that is stable so we should give up on that." I disagree with that. Fedora releases had some small regression introduced via updates from time but is is *very* usable as a stable operating system. Compare it to "always cutting edge" like

Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID))

2012-11-02 Thread Michał Piotrowski
Hi, Do current anaconda problems will have an impact on preupgrade? -- Best regards, Michal http://eventhorizon.pl/ https://getactive.pl/ -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Rolling release model philosophy (was Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID)))

2012-11-02 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2012-11-02 at 21:07 +0100, drago01 wrote: > Well your point basically is "we can't/don't ship anything that is > stable so we should give up on that." More or less, yes. > I disagree with that. Fedora releases had some small regression > introduced via updates from time but is is *very* u

Re: Revamping the non responsive maintainer process

2012-11-02 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" said: > Surely if an individual has not logged into for several months into our > infrastructure he must be inactive no? I maintain just a couple of low-overhead packages, and I haven't changed either in a couple of years. The only time I've logged into

Re: Coordinating libffi upgrade

2012-11-02 Thread Colin Walters
On Fri, 2012-11-02 at 16:04 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: > It looks like libffi is emitted into the minimal buildroot (rpm-build -> > pkg-config -> glib2 -> libffi), so during the transition we'll need to > build both sonames of libffi. It might be worth keeping a compat-libffi > around for a re

Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID))

2012-11-02 Thread Bill Nottingham
Michał Piotrowski (mkkp...@gmail.com) said: > Do current anaconda problems will have an impact on preupgrade? preupgrade is not the current supported upgrade tool to upgrade to Fedora 18. So the simple answer to your question is 'yes', although not exactly for the reasons you expect. https://fed

Re: Coordinating libffi upgrade

2012-11-02 Thread Bill Nottingham
Colin Walters (walt...@verbum.org) said: > On Fri, 2012-11-02 at 16:04 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: > > > It looks like libffi is emitted into the minimal buildroot (rpm-build -> > > pkg-config -> glib2 -> libffi), so during the transition we'll need to > > build both sonames of libffi. It might

Re: Rolling release model philosophy (was Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID)))

2012-11-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 11/02/2012 07:56 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: Anyway, we've rather torpedo'ed the feature process discussion now, and I'm sorry about that :/. Hence the topic change. But while we're blue sky thinking about massive release process changes, I think it's worth keeping a firm grasp on what Fedora i

Re: Rolling release model philosophy (was Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID)))

2012-11-02 Thread Tom Lane
Adam Williamson writes: > On Fri, 2012-11-02 at 21:07 +0100, drago01 wrote: >> I disagree with that. Fedora releases had some small regression >> introduced via updates from time but is is *very* usable as a stable >> operating system. > I disagree. It's usable by the kind of people who use Fedor

Re: Rolling release model philosophy (was Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID)))

2012-11-02 Thread drago01
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 10:53 PM, Tom Lane wrote: > Adam Williamson writes: >> On Fri, 2012-11-02 at 21:07 +0100, drago01 wrote: >>> I disagree with that. Fedora releases had some small regression >>> introduced via updates from time but is is *very* usable as a stable >>> operating system. > >> I

Re: Rolling release model philosophy (was Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID)))

2012-11-02 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2012-11-02 at 17:53 -0400, Tom Lane wrote: > Adam Williamson writes: > > On Fri, 2012-11-02 at 21:07 +0100, drago01 wrote: > >> I disagree with that. Fedora releases had some small regression > >> introduced via updates from time but is is *very* usable as a stable > >> operating system. >

Re: Coordinating libffi upgrade

2012-11-02 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Fri, Nov 02, 2012 at 04:49:01PM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Colin Walters (walt...@verbum.org) said: > > On Fri, 2012-11-02 at 16:04 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: > > > > > It looks like libffi is emitted into the minimal buildroot (rpm-build -> > > > pkg-config -> glib2 -> libffi), so durin

Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID))

2012-11-02 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 02.11.2012 17:25, schrieb Tom Lane: > =?UTF-8?B?IkrDs2hhbm4gQi4gR3XDsG11bmRzc29uIg==?= writes: >> On 11/02/2012 03:32 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: >>> On Fri, Nov 02, 2012 at 03:12:56PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: Dead/un-maintained packages need to be removed/reassigned at the

Re: Rolling release model philosophy (was Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID)))

2012-11-02 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 02.11.2012 22:53, schrieb Tom Lane: > Abandoning any pretense of having stable releases will eliminate a huge > fraction of the user community. For sure it will eliminate *me*. I'm > not in the business of fighting OS bugs every single day, and I will not > be forced into that business. I h

Re: Rolling release model philosophy (was Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID)))

2012-11-02 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Fri, 02 Nov 2012 15:17:02 -0700 Adam Williamson wrote: ..snip... > If you're using a Fedora release today you're _already_ fighting OS > bugs more often than most people do, I'd say. I disagree with drago's > assertion that my description was of people who use Rawhide. It was > not intended t

Re: Rolling release model philosophy (was Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID)))

2012-11-02 Thread Tom Lane
Adam Williamson writes: > On Fri, 2012-11-02 at 17:53 -0400, Tom Lane wrote: >> I've seen a whole lot of user demand for *more* stable versions of >> Fedora. I've seen none whatever for less stable versions. > Perhaps I ought to be more clear. I think we can maintain the level of > *actual* stab

Re: Rolling release model philosophy (was Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID)))

2012-11-02 Thread Brian Pepple
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 6:17 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > If you're using a Fedora release today you're _already_ fighting OS bugs > more often than most people do, I'd say. I disagree with drago's > assertion that my description was of people who use Rawhide. It was not > intended to be, and it wa

Re: Rolling release model philosophy (was Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID)))

2012-11-02 Thread Simo Sorce
On Fri, 2012-11-02 at 13:22 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Fri, 2012-11-02 at 21:07 +0100, drago01 wrote: > > Well your point basically is "we can't/don't ship anything that is > > stable so we should give up on that." > > More or less, yes. > > > I disagree with that. Fedora releases had som

Re: Rolling release model philosophy (was Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID)))

2012-11-02 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2012-11-02 at 16:31 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Fri, 02 Nov 2012 15:17:02 -0700 > Adam Williamson wrote: > > ..snip... > > > If you're using a Fedora release today you're _already_ fighting OS > > bugs more often than most people do, I'd say. I disagree with drago's > > assertion that

Re: MPI updates

2012-11-02 Thread Orion Poplawski
On 11/01/2012 04:21 PM, Jussi Lehtola wrote: On Thu, 01 Nov 2012 09:08:36 -0600 Orion Poplawski wrote: Some MPI updates: - I built openmpi 1.6.3 in rawhide yesterday. This had an unexpected bump in the libmpi_f90.so soname. I know this affects hdf5 and netcdf-fortran, both my packages and I'

Re: Rolling release model philosophy (was Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID)))

2012-11-02 Thread drago01
On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 12:04 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > [...] > * Upgrading every year, with an unreliable upgrade process, is not > something you have to do with a proper stable OS I am not sure why you call it unreliable ... I *never* reinstall unless I really had to (moving one installation

Re: Rolling release model philosophy (was Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID)))

2012-11-02 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2012-11-02 at 16:04 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > My fundamental argument is there's a bit of a > disconnect between our release process - which is sort of aping the way > a stable general-purpose OS would be released, but on fast-forward and > with far fewer resources - and our actual g

Re: Rolling release model philosophy (was Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID)))

2012-11-02 Thread Simo Sorce
On Fri, 2012-11-02 at 16:04 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Fri, 2012-11-02 at 16:31 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > On Fri, 02 Nov 2012 15:17:02 -0700 > > Adam Williamson wrote: > > > > ..snip... > > > > > If you're using a Fedora release today you're _already_ fighting OS > > > bugs more ofte

Re: Rolling release model philosophy (was Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID)))

2012-11-02 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2012-11-03 at 00:18 +0100, drago01 wrote: > On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 12:04 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > [...] > > * Upgrading every year, with an unreliable upgrade process, is not > > something you have to do with a proper stable OS > > I am not sure why you call it unreliable ... I *nev

Re: Rolling release model philosophy (was Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID)))

2012-11-02 Thread Simo Sorce
On Sat, 2012-11-03 at 00:18 +0100, drago01 wrote: > On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 12:04 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > [...] > > * Upgrading every year, with an unreliable upgrade process, is not > > something you have to do with a proper stable OS > > I am not sure why you call it unreliable ... I *nev

Re: Rolling release model philosophy (was Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID)))

2012-11-02 Thread Michał Piotrowski
Hi, 2012/11/3 Adam Williamson : > Note > that neither Red Hat nor Microsoft actually support major version > upgrades for their operating systems Just take a look at this - MS rocks here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPnehDhGa14 -- Best regards, Michal http://eventhorizon.pl/ https://getactiv

Re: Rolling release model philosophy (was Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID)))

2012-11-02 Thread drago01
On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 12:32 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Sat, 2012-11-03 at 00:18 +0100, drago01 wrote: >> On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 12:04 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: >> > [...] >> > * Upgrading every year, with an unreliable upgrade process, is not >> > something you have to do with a proper sta

Re: Rolling release model philosophy (was Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID)))

2012-11-02 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2012-11-03 at 00:44 +0100, drago01 wrote: > > The number of variables involved in one is astronomical. Note > > that neither Red Hat nor Microsoft actually support major version > > upgrades for their operating systems, > > Microsoft does. They do even sell upgrade boxes ... Well, it's a

Re: Rolling release model philosophy (was Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID)))

2012-11-02 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2012-11-03 at 01:07 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: > Am 03.11.2012 00:58, schrieb Adam Williamson: > > Microsoft don't really expect you to upgrade Windows. They expect you to > > buy a computer with Windows X on it, use it for three years, then throw > > it away and buy a new computer with Wi

Re: Rolling release model philosophy (was Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID)))

2012-11-02 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 03.11.2012 00:58, schrieb Adam Williamson: > Microsoft don't really expect you to upgrade Windows. They expect you to > buy a computer with Windows X on it, use it for three years, then throw > it away and buy a new computer with Windows Y on it. Red Hat expects > something similar for RHEL - th

Re: Rolling release model philosophy

2012-11-02 Thread Michael Ekstrand
On 11/02/2012 04:53 PM, Tom Lane wrote: > Adam Williamson writes: >> On Fri, 2012-11-02 at 21:07 +0100, drago01 wrote: >>> I disagree with that. Fedora releases had some small regression >>> introduced via updates from time but is is *very* usable as a stable >>> operating system. > >> I disagree

Re: Coordinating libffi upgrade

2012-11-02 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Nov 02, 2012 at 03:23:48PM -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > And has been since August. Development starts when rawhide and F-next > branch. We need some way to put this in bigger letters. -- Matthew Miller ☁☁☁ Fedora Cloud Architect ☁☁☁ -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproj

Re: Rolling release model philosophy (was Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID)))

2012-11-02 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 2 November 2012 17:36, Michał Piotrowski wrote: > Hi, > > 2012/11/3 Adam Williamson : >> Note >> that neither Red Hat nor Microsoft actually support major version >> upgrades for their operating systems > > Just take a look at this - MS rocks here > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPnehDhGa14 S

[Test-Announce] Fedora 18 Beta Test Compose 7 (TC7) Available Now!

2012-11-02 Thread Andre Robatino
As per the Fedora 18 schedule [1], Fedora 18 Beta Test Compose 7 (TC7) is now available for testing. Content information, including changes, can be found at https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/5349#comment:19 . Please see the following pages for download links (including delta ISOs) and testing

Hello, I am looking for a sponsor

2012-11-02 Thread Sébastien Boisvert
Hello, I am looking for a sponsor. I am Canadian, I know French, English, and many programming languages. I use Fedora 17 on my Lenovo Thinkpad x230 and I have started using Linux in 2003 on a Red Hat 9 installation. Over the years, I have used: Slackware, Ubuntu, Gentoo, Fedora, CentOS, Mint,

Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID))

2012-11-02 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 10:25 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > well, it would maybe a start to DROP packages which are still > missing systemd-units > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/18/FeatureList > > 60% > SysV to Systemd > Dropping 40% of packages isn't going to happen. Sorry Rahul -- deve