On 10/09/2012 04:34 AM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
rsyslog.service
Remind me again of the reason why we are still shipping rsyslog by
default now that we have the journal?
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So you make your system incompatible with every other Linux distro out
there, and with all existing documentation, but to what end? Tidyness?
Rich.
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pr
Reading:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Building_a_custom_kernel
I know how to rebuild the kernel RPM and have done it many times.
But I've been asked to reproduce a bug using a completely vanilla
unpatched Linus kernel. Do we have a recommended way to do that
(but still using RPM)?
Rich.
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On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 8:42 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
>
> Reading:
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Building_a_custom_kernel
>
> I know how to rebuild the kernel RPM and have done it many times.
> But I've been asked to reproduce a bug using a completely vanilla
> unpatched Linus kernel. Do w
On 09/10/12 07:58, Matěj Cepl wrote:
On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 18:15:52 -0700, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote:
Because I haven't entirely run kicking and screaming from attempting to
package nodejs, I (FAS: "patches") will take:
Do you think you would be able to make somewhere buildable packages of
nodejs
On 10/09/2012 09:55 AM, Tom Hughes wrote:
Do you think you would be able to make somewhere buildable packages of
nodejs (before you can manage to push it to Fedora proper)? I haven't
managed to build the stack on F18 (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/
show_bug.cgi?id=863403).
Like he did at http://n
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 9:40 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> So you make your system incompatible with every other Linux distro out
> there, and with all existing documentation, but to what end? Tidyness?
>
> Rich.
>
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> http://people.redhat.com/~rj
On 10/09/2012 03:15 AM, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote:
Because I haven't entirely run kicking and screaming from attempting
to package nodejs, I (FAS: "patches") will take:
http-parser -- HTTP request/response parser for C
libeio -- Event-based fully asynchronous I/O library
And the EPEL branches f
> On 10/03/2012 02:23 PM, Jon Ciesla wrote:
>>
>> As a result of FESCO ticket 952*, Lubomir Rintel's 200+ packages are
>> in need of new maintainers. Under normal circumstances we'd simply
>> orphan them all, but given the large number we want to handle this in
>> a more orderly fashion.
>>
>> Ple
On 10/09/2012 07:50 AM, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
On 10/09/2012 03:10 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
On 10/09/2012 04:34 AM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
rsyslog.service
Remind me again of the reason why we are still shipping rsyslog by
default now that we have the journal?
An undocumented, acknow
On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 10:13:03AM +0200, tim.laurid...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 9:40 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
>
> > So you make your system incompatible with every other Linux distro out
> > there, and with all existing documentation, but to what end? Tidyness?
> >
> > Rich.
On 10/09/2012 08:28 AM, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
The problem is that they generally get to clean up a system long*after*
is has been installed by someone else, crashed, and needs to be recovered.
Here you are fighting about libmicrohttpd ( 48KB ) and qrencode-libs (
46.3KB ) while we have rsyslog
On 10/09/2012 08:47 AM, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
Yes, I can travel back in time and fix someone else's badly installed
server that they are asking me to fix or do forensic analysis of.
Brilliant idea.
Who does not want to travel back in time? =)
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On 10/09/2012 12:14 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> Well, I am all for minimizing the minimal installation set, and can
> applaud attempts to continiusly make data avilable where we stand with
> this and which packages are the worst dependency and size hogs. However,
> afaics the feature you menti
On 10/09/2012 10:24 AM, Milan Broz wrote:
But the "minimal install" (whatever it means) is often used as base for various
automatic appliance installs, test systems etc where you want to minimize
services and installed libraries (either because of "security" or because
you need simple testbed for
On 10/09/2012 10:13 AM, tim.laurid...@gmail.com wrote:
I can understand you want to merge dirs there have the same function
/bin -> /usr/bin, but this has no benefits at all.
I am not sure if this has no benefits whatsoever, but I do agree that if
you want to keep the compatibility (which
Dan Horák wrote:
Troy Dawson píše v Po 08. 10. 2012 v 14:48 -0500:
On 10/05/2012 04:43 PM, Troy Dawson wrote:
Hello,
I have updated mongodb from 2.0.7 to 2.2.0.
It is currently going through the normal channels for rawhide and Fedora 18.
10gen has a very good track record for being backwards c
On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 10:58:45AM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> Like to me rsyslog since the journal is an integrated part of systemd.
Because a huge change like replacing traditional logging with journald needs
to happen as part of a process, not just because another core program adds
On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 12:24:03PM +0200, Milan Broz wrote:
> - systemd-udev
+1 .. udev should really be a separate package again.
Also, please stop moving udevd around.
Rich.
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On 10/09/2012 11:53 AM, Matthew Miller wrote:
Because a huge change like replacing traditional logging with journald needs
to happen as part of a process, not just because another core program adds
similar-but-different functionality.
Nobody is talking about removing rsyslog or syslog-ng from t
use binary format they said,
it will be fun they said!
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 1:58 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson"
wrote:
> On 10/09/2012 10:24 AM, Milan Broz wrote:
>
>> But the "minimal install" (whatever it means) is often used as base for
>> various
>> automatic appliance installs, test systems
> From: "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson"
> I personally want to see the documentation releng/fesco has about what
> the default minimal set, what the process is to have something
> include,excluded from it and why the packages that exist in it are there
> in the first place.
I too would very much lik
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On Tue, 09.10.12 01:00, Miloslav Trmač (m...@volny.cz) wrote:
> > is any current data
> > available about how our minimal footprint got worse/better over time in
> > both terms of packages and disk space, and which packages are to blame
> > for it?
> >
> > If the libmicrohttpd dep really is proble
On Tue, 09.10.12 00:34, Bill Nottingham (nott...@redhat.com) wrote:
> Miloslav Trmač (m...@volny.cz) said:
> > > is any current data
> > > available about how our minimal footprint got worse/better over time in
> > > both terms of packages and disk space, and which packages are to blame
> > > for
On Tue, 09.10.12 07:10, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" (johan...@gmail.com) wrote:
> On 10/09/2012 04:34 AM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> >rsyslog.service
>
> Remind me again of the reason why we are still shipping rsyslog by
> default now that we have the journal?
For F19 I plan to submit a feature asking
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On Mon, 08.10.12 21:00, Ray Strode (halfl...@gmail.com) wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Lennart Poettering
> wrote:
>
> > Correct. Note that this is not accessible at all, by default, and mostly
> > a preview for now. Later on we will add http digest auth and proper TLS
> > su
On 10/09/2012 01:23 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
For F19 I plan to submit a feature asking for not installing syslog by
default anymore. I wonder how far I'll get with this before this is
shut down by the conservatives...
Arguably this should be fixed now in the "ReworkPackageGroups" feature.
Greetings and salutations!
It is time once again to choose the name for the next release of Fedora.
Suggestions for names will be accepted beginning RIGHT THIS SECOND
(October 9, 2012), and ending promptly at the end of the day on October
16, 2012 (23:59:59 UTC). So mooove on over, and hel
On Tue, 9 Oct 2012, Lennart Poettering wrote:
Maybe the definition of the fedora base set needs a bit of updating,
given that it considers rdisc, saslauthd, audit, dnsmasq, syslog, wpa
supplicant and sendmail basic. For container setups I need nothing of
that... (heck! for my non-containeriz
On Tue, 09.10.12 12:24, Milan Broz (mb...@redhat.com) wrote:
> - systemd-cryptsetup
> (generally, to be able to install system without cryptsetup->device-mapper
> libs
> dependences if only plain partitions are used, as they are in VM)
> - system-readahead
>
> - systemd-udev
Making cryptsetu
On Tue, 09.10.12 13:31, Richard W.M. Jones (rjo...@redhat.com) wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 12:24:03PM +0200, Milan Broz wrote:
> > - systemd-udev
>
> +1 .. udev should really be a separate package again.
OK, I'll bite, why?
> Also, please stop moving udevd around.
What is it to you where
On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 03:29:05PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> > I think negotiate-auth would be a really good feature here, since many
> > enterprise deployments use kerberos based SSO in their intranets.
> well, this is really computers authenticating against computers, not
> users against
On Tue, 2012-10-09 at 15:23 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> On Tue, 09.10.12 07:10, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" (johan...@gmail.com) wrote:
>
> > On 10/09/2012 04:34 AM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> > >rsyslog.service
> >
> > Remind me again of the reason why we are still shipping rsyslog by
> > defau
On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 03:18:25PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> To build such an image I'd really would have preferred not installing
> the docs. It appears rpm once had a feature for that where you could add
> excludedocs in rpmrc. This feature seems to have been removed. Why? Can
> we get t
On Tue, 2012-10-09 at 15:29 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> On Mon, 08.10.12 21:00, Ray Strode (halfl...@gmail.com) wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Lennart Poettering
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Correct. Note that this is not accessible at all, by default, and mostly
> > >
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 4:13 AM, tim.laurid...@gmail.com
wrote:
> +1 to Richard, I really don't see the purpose, why does it matter that
> number of dirs in /.
> Lot of apps will break if you move /proc or /dev, and if you replace them
> with symlink in the next 10 years you still have the same num
On Tue, 09.10.12 07:53, Matthew Miller (mat...@fedoraproject.org) wrote:
(Not that I actually already wanted this discussion now, but heck...)
> On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 10:58:45AM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> > Like to me rsyslog since the journal is an integrated part of systemd.
>
>
On Tue, 09.10.12 09:49, Matthew Miller (mat...@fedoraproject.org) wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 03:29:05PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> > > I think negotiate-auth would be a really good feature here, since many
> > > enterprise deployments use kerberos based SSO in their intranets.
> > we
Once upon a time, Lennart Poettering said:
> The HTTP thingy is not really how admins should access the logs. They
> should just use journalctl.
So why is it part of the core package instead of a subpackage?
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On Tue, 9 Oct 2012, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 03:18:25PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
To build such an image I'd really would have preferred not installing
the docs. It appears rpm once had a feature for that where you could add
excludedocs in rpmrc. This feature seem
Once upon a time, Lennart Poettering said:
> If people want some pixel-perfect copy of the traditional
> /var/log/messages, then they should just run "journalctl" without any
> args. It's much better than /var/log/messages:
How do you read this log when the system is not running (e.g. mounting
fi
On Tue, 09.10.12 09:56, Simo Sorce (s...@redhat.com) wrote:
> On Tue, 2012-10-09 at 15:23 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> > On Tue, 09.10.12 07:10, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" (johan...@gmail.com) wrote:
> >
> > > On 10/09/2012 04:34 AM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> > > >rsyslog.service
> > >
> > > R
On Tue, 09.10.12 09:58, Matthew Miller (mat...@fedoraproject.org) wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 03:18:25PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> > To build such an image I'd really would have preferred not installing
> > the docs. It appears rpm once had a feature for that where you could add
> >
On 10/09/2012 04:58 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 03:18:25PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
To build such an image I'd really would have preferred not installing
the docs. It appears rpm once had a feature for that where you could add
excludedocs in rpmrc. This feature seem
On 19 September 2012 00:26, Orion Poplawski wrote:
> On 09/05/2012 08:07 PM, Tom Callaway wrote:
>> Jesse, I'm not sure if you're still the correct upstream here, please
>> correct me if you're not, and I'll send the patch somewhere else.
>
> This helps me a lot as well building el srpms from mast
On Tue, 09.10.12 10:06, Seth Vidal (skvi...@fedoraproject.org) wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Oct 2012, Matthew Miller wrote:
>
> >On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 03:18:25PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> >>To build such an image I'd really would have preferred not installing
> >>the docs. It appears rpm once ha
On Tue, 09.10.12 09:09, Chris Adams (cmad...@hiwaay.net) wrote:
> Once upon a time, Lennart Poettering said:
> > If people want some pixel-perfect copy of the traditional
> > /var/log/messages, then they should just run "journalctl" without any
> > args. It's much better than /var/log/messages:
>
On Tue, 09.10.12 09:08, Chris Adams (cmad...@hiwaay.net) wrote:
> Once upon a time, Lennart Poettering said:
> > The HTTP thingy is not really how admins should access the logs. They
> > should just use journalctl.
>
> So why is it part of the core package instead of a subpackage?
Because it is
On Tue, 09.10.12 17:14, Panu Matilainen (pmati...@laiskiainen.org) wrote:
> On 10/09/2012 04:58 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
> >On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 03:18:25PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> >>To build such an image I'd really would have preferred not installing
> >>the docs. It appears rpm on
On 09/10/12 15:04, Lennart Poettering wrote:
h) It's much shorter to type: "journalctl" than "less
/var/log/messages". "journalctl -n" is shorter than "tail
/var/log/messages". And "journalctl -f" is shorter than "tail -f
/var/log/messages".
While "less" helpfully wraps your log li
On Tue, 9 Oct 2012, Lennart Poettering wrote:
--nodocs and tsflags=nodocs ends up with ugly ugly things when you
want to do rpm -Va later.
nodocs 'works' but not in a pretty way
But shouldn't we make it possible to make it work in a pretty way?
You'll need to get the packaging team on b
On 10/09/2012 05:06 PM, Seth Vidal wrote:
On Tue, 9 Oct 2012, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 03:18:25PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
To build such an image I'd really would have preferred not installing
the docs. It appears rpm once had a feature for that where you could
On 10/09/2012 03:42 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> On Tue, 09.10.12 12:24, Milan Broz (mb...@redhat.com) wrote:
>
>> - systemd-cryptsetup
>> (generally, to be able to install system without cryptsetup->device-mapper
>> libs
>> dependences if only plain partitions are used, as they are in VM)
On 10/09/2012 05:19 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
On Tue, 09.10.12 17:14, Panu Matilainen (pmati...@laiskiainen.org) wrote:
On 10/09/2012 04:58 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 03:18:25PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
To build such an image I'd really would have preferred
On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 04:05:10PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> On Tue, 09.10.12 09:49, Matthew Miller (mat...@fedoraproject.org) wrote:
> > allowing regular users to do so. (Commonly currently accomplished by making
> > /var/log/messages owned and readable by the wheel group.)
> The HTTP th
On Tue, 9 Oct 2012, Panu Matilainen wrote:
--nodocs and tsflags=nodocs ends up with ugly ugly things when you want
to do rpm -Va later.
Err, not. Rpm remembers files that were skipped on purpose and does not whine
about them on verification:
[root@turre ~]# rpm -U --excludedocs /tmp/tel
On Tue, 2012-10-09 at 16:12 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> On Tue, 09.10.12 09:56, Simo Sorce (s...@redhat.com) wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 2012-10-09 at 15:23 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> > > On Tue, 09.10.12 07:10, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" (johan...@gmail.com)
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > On 1
On 10/09/2012 03:19 PM, Tom Hughes wrote:
> While "less" helpfully wraps your log lines at the edge of your terminal
> journalctl unhelpfully truncates them or, if -a is used, makes you use
> left/right cursor to scroll back and forth in an attempt to read the
> lines. Especially since it fully
Once upon a time, Lennart Poettering said:
> On Tue, 09.10.12 09:09, Chris Adams (cmad...@hiwaay.net) wrote:
> > Once upon a time, Lennart Poettering said:
> > > If people want some pixel-perfect copy of the traditional
> > > /var/log/messages, then they should just run "journalctl" without any
>
On 10/05/2012 01:32 PM, Jon Ciesla wrote:
mod_python -- An embedded Python interpreter for the Apache HTTP Server
Last I heard, this was a dead project. Probably it's time to retire this
one in favor of mod_wsgi.
v8 -- JavaScript Engine
I'm a comaintainer on it, I might as well adopt it.
Once upon a time, Bryn M. Reeves said:
> Agreed: I find this irritating too (and the default SYSTEMD_PAGER _is_
> less so I'm not sure how it's being run).
>
> Setting PIPE or piping to a pager is even worse - the lines are
> truncated at 77 chars regardless of the term width so for now I'm
> run
2012/10/9 Lennart Poettering :
> On Tue, 09.10.12 09:09, Chris Adams (cmad...@hiwaay.net) wrote:
>
>> Once upon a time, Lennart Poettering said:
>> > If people want some pixel-perfect copy of the traditional
>> > /var/log/messages, then they should just run "journalctl" without any
>> > args. It's
On 10/09/2012 02:12 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
On Tue, 09.10.12 09:56, Simo Sorce (s...@redhat.com) wrote:
On Tue, 2012-10-09 at 15:23 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
On Tue, 09.10.12 07:10, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" (johan...@gmail.com) wrote:
On 10/09/2012 04:34 AM, Bill Nottingham wrote
On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 04:04:05PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> args. It's much better than /var/log/messages:
[many nice things snipped; only responding to ones I have real concerns
about.]
> c) it auto-pages if run on a tty
Hmmm. That's not necessarily what people are expecting, but okay.
On 09/10/12 15:35, Bryn M. Reeves wrote:
On 10/09/2012 03:19 PM, Tom Hughes wrote:
More importantly though, what is the equivalent of "fgrep xxx
/var/log/messages" which is certainly pretty much the most common thing
I do on my logs... I can't see any sort of searching in journalctl?
journalc
On 10/08/2012 09:48 PM, Troy Dawson wrote:
> On 10/05/2012 04:43 PM, Troy Dawson wrote:
>> Hello,
>> I have updated mongodb from 2.0.7 to 2.2.0.
>> It is currently going through the normal channels for rawhide and Fedora 18.
>>
>> 10gen has a very good track record for being backwards compatible.
>
On 10/09/2012 06:23 AM, Andrey Ponomarenko wrote:
> Dan Horák wrote:
>> Troy Dawson píše v Po 08. 10. 2012 v 14:48 -0500:
>>> On 10/05/2012 04:43 PM, Troy Dawson wrote:
Hello,
I have updated mongodb from 2.0.7 to 2.2.0.
It is currently going through the normal channels for rawhide an
On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 10:18:27AM -0400, Seth Vidal wrote:
> You'll need to get the packaging team on board with it. I have to
> say it is pretty much non-existent as a priority to anyone I've
> spoken with.
If we can save space in the minimal cloud image, it seems worth doing to me.
Looks like i
On Tue, 9 Oct 2012, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 10:18:27AM -0400, Seth Vidal wrote:
You'll need to get the packaging team on board with it. I have to
say it is pretty much non-existent as a priority to anyone I've
spoken with.
If we can save space in the minimal cloud ima
On 09/10/12 15:35, Bryn M. Reeves wrote:
Agreed: I find this irritating too (and the default SYSTEMD_PAGER _is_
less so I'm not sure how it's being run).
I think I understand this now - because I am sudoing to root in order to
get journalctl to produce output my LESS environment variable is n
On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 10:45:24AM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
> > c) it auto-pages if run on a tty
> Hmmm. That's not necessarily what people are expecting, but okay.
To expand on this: there is a general expectation that non-interactive
console tools will return control to the user immediately
On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 03:45:46PM +0100, Tom Hughes wrote:
> Sure, though having just tried that is took 33s to search about a
> months worth of logs instead of the 0.05s that greping the last
> months messages took ;-)
That's not insignificant (again, goes to sysadmin user experience). Can you
f
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 3:54 PM, Seth Vidal wrote:
>
>
>
> On Tue, 9 Oct 2012, Matthew Miller wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 10:18:27AM -0400, Seth Vidal wrote:
>>>
>>> You'll need to get the packaging team on board with it. I have to
>>> say it is pretty much non-existent as a priority to any
On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 10:54:41AM -0400, Seth Vidal wrote:
> >If we can save space in the minimal cloud image, it seems worth doing to me.
> >Looks like in the current EC2 instance, it's about 35M (minus a few K for
> >licenses).
> 35M? That feels a lot like 'meh' to me.
A little over 4% of the c
On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 04:08:10PM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote:
> >> If we can save space in the minimal cloud image, it seems worth doing
> >> to me. Looks like in the current EC2 instance, it's about 35M (minus a
> >> few K for licenses).
> > 35M? That feels a lot like 'meh' to me.
> I believe th
On 10/09/2012 09:51 AM, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote:
> On 10/08/2012 09:48 PM, Troy Dawson wrote:
>> On 10/05/2012 04:43 PM, Troy Dawson wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> I have updated mongodb from 2.0.7 to 2.2.0.
>>> It is currently going through the normal channels for rawhide and Fedora 18.
>>>
>>> 10gen h
On 10/09/2012 05:00 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 10:45:24AM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
>>> c) it auto-pages if run on a tty
>> Hmmm. That's not necessarily what people are expecting, but okay.
> To expand on this: there is a general expectation that non-interactive
> conso
On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 05:24:42PM +0200, Richard Marko wrote:
> > Compared to the other things I mentioned this is less important (because
> > hey, sysadmins can learn new ways!), but I wanted to elaborate on where this
> > is coming from.
> +1. For example swapping action and name parameters for
Digium released the first release candidate for Asterisk 11 yesterday, with
the final release due hopefully sometime this month. I'm therefore going
to be updating the Asterisk package in Fedora 18 to the release candidate.
Fedora 17 is going to stick with the 10.X series, Fedora 16 is sticking
w
On 10/09/2012 04:45 PM, Tom Hughes wrote:
On 09/10/12 15:35, Bryn M. Reeves wrote:
journalctl | fgrep?
This one is pretty fine by me tbh.
Sure, though having just tried that is took 33s to search about a months
worth of logs instead of the 0.05s that greping the last months messages
took ;-)
On 10/09/2012 03:30 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 05:24:42PM +0200, Richard Marko wrote:
Compared to the other things I mentioned this is less important (because
hey, sysadmins can learn new ways!), but I wanted to elaborate on where this
is coming from.
+1. For example swap
On 10/09/2012 05:30 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
Yes. Again, you're not the first person I've heard this from. Likewise,
needing to fill out the .service extension.
In current versions .service is implied if no extension is provided:
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39386
Michal
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On Tue, 2012-10-09 at 15:38 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> On 10/09/2012 03:30 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 05:24:42PM +0200, Richard Marko wrote:
> >>> Compared to the other things I mentioned this is less important (because
> >>> hey, sysadmins can learn new ways
On Tue, 2012-10-09 at 17:42 +0200, Michal Schmidt wrote:
> On 10/09/2012 05:30 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
> > Yes. Again, you're not the first person I've heard this from. Likewise,
> > needing to fill out the .service extension.
>
> In current versions .service is implied if no extension is provid
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 04:08:10PM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote:
>> >> If we can save space in the minimal cloud image, it seems worth doing
>> >> to me. Looks like in the current EC2 instance, it's about 35M (minus a
>> >> few K for licenses)
On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 03:38:42PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> Probably changing this is not doable since you have multiple types
> of units that can have the same name foo.path foo.target foo.service
> foo.timer etc.
But can we tell which the user wants?
> As I have set from the get
On 10/09/2012 03:58 PM, Simo Sorce wrote:
Oh come on, you just use a default when it is missing (.service) and
require it fully formed for the others.
It apparently does that now with [1]
And is included in systemd 188 which is in F18+
Michal will need to comment if this one will be backporte
On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 11:59:08AM -0400, Simo Sorce wrote:
> > In current versions .service is implied if no extension is provided:
> > https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39386
> About time :-)
Awesome.
And I want to take a moment to thank everyone for listening to these
concerns. I'm
On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 05:04:44PM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 04:08:10PM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote:
> >> >> If we can save space in the minimal cloud image, it seems worth doing
> >> >> to me. Looks like in the current EC2 instance, it's about 35M (minus a
> >> >> fe
On 10/09/2012 04:11 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
Probably changing this is not doable since you have multiple types
>of units that can have the same name foo.path foo.target foo.service
>foo.timer etc.
But can we tell which the user wants?
But ever since 188 it's defaulted to an unit of type serv
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On 10/9/12 9:18 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
From the list of packages this minimal set still installs, that I'd
really like to see gone:
chkconfig
gamin
info
systemd-sysv
chkconfig seems like it could have the 'alternatives' bit split off.
I've not investigated this in detail.
gamin is g
On Tue, 9 Oct 2012 12:30:30 -0400
"Eric H. Christensen" wrote:
> Is there any way to determine if anyone is using a particular package
> in Fedora or EPEL?
Ask them? ;)
If you mean any kind of automated way, then no, not really.
kevin
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"Eric H. Christensen" wrote:
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Am 09.10.2012 17:38, schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson:
> On 10/09/2012 03:30 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
>> On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 05:24:42PM +0200, Richard Marko wrote:
Compared to the other things I mentioned this is less important (because
hey, sysadmins can learn new ways!), but I wante
On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 04:12:48PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> >>>alike to forget all they know of the legacy sysv init stuff and
> >>>approach systemd with a fresh mind and as a*new* technology
> >That's expensive.
> No more than for example someone study and learning "cloud"
Sure, a
On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 12:30:30PM -0400, Eric H. Christensen wrote:
> Is there any way to determine if anyone is using a particular package in
> Fedora or EPEL?
Yes, for certain values of "using". You can set up the audit subsystem to
log whenever a command is executed, and then follow back from
On 10/09/2012 05:29 PM, Seth Vidal wrote:
On Tue, 9 Oct 2012, Panu Matilainen wrote:
--nodocs and tsflags=nodocs ends up with ugly ugly things when you want
to do rpm -Va later.
Err, not. Rpm remembers files that were skipped on purpose and does
not whine about them on verification:
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