Re: Introduction: Interested in becoming a packager for fis-gtm and vista

2012-07-17 Thread Garrett Holmstrom
On 2012-07-16 22:50, Clive Hills wrote: Coincidentally I was looking at gtm this weekend. One of the interesting points in re packaging it is that one must bootstrap gtm from an existing gtm using the providing source. I'm wondering a bit how that might be affected by the Fedora packaging guideli

Re: prelink should not mess with running executables

2012-07-17 Thread Andrew Haley
On 07/17/2012 12:38 AM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > Jan Kratochvil writes: > >> On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 22:42:00 +0200, Sam Varshavchik wrote: >>> And I wouldn't be so presumptions as to state authoritatively what >>> is or is not a bug, in something whose purpose is not known to me. >> >> Non-existing /

Re: prelink should not mess with running executables

2012-07-17 Thread Bryn M. Reeves
On 07/17/2012 12:38 AM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > Jan Kratochvil writes: > >> On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 22:42:00 +0200, Sam Varshavchik wrote: >>> And I wouldn't be so presumptions as to state authoritatively what >>> is or is not a bug, in something whose purpose is not known to me. >> >> Non-existing /

Re: "security" repo

2012-07-17 Thread Bryn M. Reeves
On 07/17/2012 03:02 AM, Paul Wouters wrote: > On Tue, 17 Jul 2012, Mike Manilone wrote: > >> I think we can create a new repo called "security" like Debian. Push all >> the security updates to it. > > Uhm, we have that. It is called RHEL Not quite although RHEL errata are also categorised as

Re: Introduction: Interested in becoming a packager for fis-gtm and vista

2012-07-17 Thread Luis Ibanez
Clive, It is great to hear that you are already interested in gtm. The good news is that during the Debian packaging we solved the bootstrapping problem. We worked along with upstream and with Debian developers to find a suitable solution. The reason why gtm is needed in order to build gtm, is t

Re: "security" repo

2012-07-17 Thread Jussi Lehtola
On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 10:17:59 +0800 Mike Manilone wrote: > 於 一,2012-07-16 於 22:02 -0400,Paul Wouters 提到: > > On Tue, 17 Jul 2012, Mike Manilone wrote: > > > > > I think we can create a new repo called "security" like Debian. > > > Push all the security updates to it. > > > > Uhm, we have that. I

Re: prelink should not mess with running executables

2012-07-17 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Andrew Haley writes: On 07/17/2012 12:38 AM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > Jan Kratochvil writes: > >> On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 22:42:00 +0200, Sam Varshavchik wrote: >>> And I wouldn't be so presumptions as to state authoritatively what >>> is or is not a bug, in something whose purpose is not known to m

Re: "security" repo

2012-07-17 Thread Matthias Runge
On 17/07/12 02:40, Mike Manilone wrote: > Hi, list > > I don't want too many updates so I disable the "updates" repo. But > later I found that "fedora" repo has no updates so I couldn't get any > security updates. I'm not really sure, this would give you, what you really want; especially, it may

Re: prelink should not mess with running executables

2012-07-17 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 07:01:23AM -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > Andrew Haley writes: > > >On 07/17/2012 12:38 AM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > >> Jan Kratochvil writes: > >> > >>> On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 22:42:00 +0200, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > And I wouldn't be so presumptions as to state authori

Re: prelink should not mess with running executables

2012-07-17 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Bryn M. Reeves writes: On 07/17/2012 12:38 AM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > Jan Kratochvil writes: > >> On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 22:42:00 +0200, Sam Varshavchik wrote: >>> And I wouldn't be so presumptions as to state authoritatively what >>> is or is not a bug, in something whose purpose is not known to

Re: prelink should not mess with running executables

2012-07-17 Thread Bryn M. Reeves
On 07/17/2012 12:01 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > Andrew Haley writes: >> Yes, it's the pathname that started this process. Yes, that pathname >> may point to file that no longer exists. That's UNIX. > > No, that's Linux with prelink installed. And a number of other common configurations for e.g

Re: prelink should not mess with running executables

2012-07-17 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Bryn M. Reeves writes: On 07/17/2012 12:01 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > Andrew Haley writes: >> Yes, it's the pathname that started this process. Yes, that pathname >> may point to file that no longer exists. That's UNIX. > > No, that's Linux with prelink installed. And a number of other comm

Re: prelink should not mess with running executables

2012-07-17 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Tomasz Torcz writes: On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 07:01:23AM -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > Andrew Haley writes: > > >On 07/17/2012 12:38 AM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > >> Jan Kratochvil writes: > >> > >>> On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 22:42:00 +0200, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > And I wouldn't be so presumpti

Re: prelink should not mess with running executables

2012-07-17 Thread Bryn M. Reeves
On 07/17/2012 12:42 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > … which can be used to reset the > application, so that it knows that it's been updated. Because that is a common need across many packages. Apparently being notified of a prelink is not such a common need. Even if such a thing did exist it coul

Re: prelink should not mess with running executables

2012-07-17 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 1:38 AM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > Jan Kratochvil writes: >> Non-existing /proc/self/exe file is a normal UNIX process state so a UNIX > > > It is anything but "normal". The "normal" state of things is documented by > proc(5). Documentation tends to be written after-the fact

Re: prelink should not mess with running executables

2012-07-17 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 4:37 AM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > Scott Schmit writes: >> And what's the pathname of a deleted file? > > My point exactly. There is none. Thanks, prelink! "Thanks, UNIX". What is the pathname of a file with several links? The pathnames just doesn't mean much in UNIX, and

Mass rebuild for Fedora 18

2012-07-17 Thread Dennis Gilmore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 it was requested in https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/5222 that we do a mass rebuild for Fedora 18 for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/DwarfCompressor and https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/MiniDebugInfo due to a mix up in dates it w

Re: Upstream Release Monitoring status posting

2012-07-17 Thread Xose Vazquez Perez
On 07/16/2012 07:38 PM, Till Maas wrote: I was asked to send to send the status of the last run of the Upstream Release Monitoring tool to this list. It would consist of all lines in http://till.fedorapeople.org/tmp/cnucnu-last.log that mention that a package is outdated. Would you welcome this

Re: prelink should not mess with running executables

2012-07-17 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Sam Varshavchik said: > Well, SCM_RIGHTS/SCM_CREDENTIALS is how you get the peer's pid in the first > place. > > This would be an additional check, on top of that. Is there any value in this "additional check" (that nobody else apparently does)? Do you not trust the kernel's

Re: "security" repo

2012-07-17 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 17.07.2012 02:40, schrieb Mike Manilone: > Hi, list > > I don't want too many updates so I disable the "updates" repo. But later > I found that "fedora" repo has no updates so I couldn't get any security > updates. > > I think we can create a new repo called "security" like Debian. Push all

Re: "security" repo

2012-07-17 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 17.07.2012 04:17, schrieb Mike Manilone: > 於 一,2012-07-16 於 22:02 -0400,Paul Wouters 提到: >> On Tue, 17 Jul 2012, Mike Manilone wrote: >> >>> I think we can create a new repo called "security" like Debian. Push all >>> the security updates to it. >> >> Uhm, we have that. It is called RHEL

Self Introduction

2012-07-17 Thread Lukas Berk
Hey list, I've been a contributor to upstream systemtap since mid 2010 and have been a Fedora user since Fedora 12. Prior to joining Red Hat full time, I participated in their internship program while completing a computer engineering degree at Queens University. I'd like to become a packager fo

Fedora 18 Feature Submission Deadline in one week (2012-07-24)

2012-07-17 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
Hi! This a friendly reminder that The Fedora 18 Feature Submission Deadline is coming soon (maybe too soon for some of you;-) - see the Fedora 18 Schedule [1] - and it's exactly in one week, on Tuesday, July 24, 2012. After this date newly submitted features will be targeted for Fedora 19 unless

Fwd: Package review requests related with pdfmod

2012-07-17 Thread Ismael Olea
Hi: pdfmod is just one package of distance to get into F18 since the two dependencies are now approved. Someone want to review it? -- Forwarded message -- From: Ismael Olea Date: Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 1:16 PM Subject: Package review requests related with pdfmod To: Development dis

[ACTION REQUIRED v2] Retiring packages for Fedora 18

2012-07-17 Thread Bill Nottingham
Before we branch for Fedora 18, as is custom, we will block currently orphaned packages and packages that have failed to build since Fedora 16. The following packages are currently orphaned, or fail to build. If you have a need for one of these packages, please pick them up. If no one claims any o

[Test-Announce] Call for Test Days for Fedora 18

2012-07-17 Thread Adam Williamson
Hey, folks. It's that time again - time to start thinking about Test Days for Fedora 18. For anyone who isn't aware, a Test Day is an event usually focused around IRC for interaction and a Wiki page for instructions and results, with the aim being to get a bunch of interested users and developers

Re: [ACTION REQUIRED v2] Retiring packages for Fedora 18

2012-07-17 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 13:51:24 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Before we branch for Fedora 18, as is custom, we will block currently > orphaned packages and packages that have failed to build since Fedora 16. > > The following packages are currently orphaned, or fail to build. If > you have a need

Re: Upstream Release Monitoring status posting

2012-07-17 Thread Emmanuel Seyman
* Till Maas [17/07/2012 07:09] : > > I was asked to send to send the status of the last run of the Upstream > Release Monitoring tool to this list. It would consist of all lines in > http://till.fedorapeople.org/tmp/cnucnu-last.log > that mention that a package is outdated. Would you welcome this

Re: prelink should not mess with running executables

2012-07-17 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Bryn M. Reeves writes: On 07/17/2012 12:42 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > … which can be used to reset the > application, so that it knows that it's been updated. Because that is a common need across many packages. Apparently being notified of a prelink is not such a common need. Even if such a

Re: prelink should not mess with running executables

2012-07-17 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Miloslav Trmač writes: On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 1:38 AM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > Jan Kratochvil writes: >> Non-existing /proc/self/exe file is a normal UNIX process state so a UNIX > > > It is anything but "normal". The "normal" state of things is documented by > proc(5). Documentation tends

Re: prelink should not mess with running executables

2012-07-17 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Miloslav Trmač writes: On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 4:37 AM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > Scott Schmit writes: >> And what's the pathname of a deleted file? > > My point exactly. There is none. Thanks, prelink! "Thanks, UNIX". What is the pathname of a file with several links? Doesn't matter, eith

Re: prelink should not mess with running executables

2012-07-17 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Chris Adams writes: Once upon a time, Sam Varshavchik said: > Well, SCM_RIGHTS/SCM_CREDENTIALS is how you get the peer's pid in the first > place. > > This would be an additional check, on top of that. Is there any value in this "additional check" (that nobody else apparently does)? Do you no

Re: [ACTION REQUIRED v2] Retiring packages for Fedora 18

2012-07-17 Thread Patrick Uiterwijk
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Re: prelink should not mess with running executables

2012-07-17 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 12:35 AM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > Miloslav Trmač writes: >> > Can you explain, then, the "correctly" approach by which an executable can >> > affirm whether another pid is either running the same executable, or the >> > post-prelinked version of the same executable. >> >>

Re: prelink should not mess with running executables

2012-07-17 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Sam Varshavchik said: > Chris Adams writes: > >Is there any value in this "additional check" (that nobody else > >apparently does)? Do you not trust the kernel's credential handling? > > I certainly trust it. But just because I trust it, it doesn't mean that any > additional c

Re: prelink should not mess with running executables

2012-07-17 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Miloslav Trmač writes: On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 12:35 AM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > Miloslav Trmač writes: >> > Can you explain, then, the "correctly" approach by which an executable can >> > affirm whether another pid is either running the same executable, or the >> > post-prelinked version

Re: prelink should not mess with running executables

2012-07-17 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Chris Adams writes: Once upon a time, Sam Varshavchik said: > Chris Adams writes: > >Is there any value in this "additional check" (that nobody else > >apparently does)? Do you not trust the kernel's credential handling? > > I certainly trust it. But just because I trust it, it doesn't mean th

Re: [ACTION REQUIRED v2] Retiring packages for Fedora 18

2012-07-17 Thread Brendan Jones
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