Re: Fedora 16 beta vice Knoppix

2011-10-05 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 10/05/2011 02:41 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > You can try rebuilding your live image with this patch to > spin-kickstarts: > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=739446 > > to see if it makes any difference. it migrates the livesys stuff to > systemd, at least to an extent. > -- Migra

Re: Fedora 16 beta vice Knoppix

2011-10-05 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2011-10-05 at 07:16 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > On 10/05/2011 02:41 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > You can try rebuilding your live image with this patch to > > spin-kickstarts: > > > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=739446 > > > > to see if it makes any difference.

Re: systemd and mounting filesystems

2011-10-05 Thread Michal Schmidt
On 10/05/2011 12:18 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Tue, 04.10.11 15:02, Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) wrote: >> I have a similar problem with some bind mounts over the root filesystem >> where systemd mounts them while the rootfs is still ro and hence they >> all wind up as ro until I remount th

Re: systemd and mounting filesystems

2011-10-05 Thread Tom Hughes
On 05/10/11 08:51, Michal Schmidt wrote: > On 10/05/2011 12:18 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: >> On Tue, 04.10.11 15:02, Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) wrote: >>> I have a similar problem with some bind mounts over the root filesystem >>> where systemd mounts them while the rootfs is still ro and henc

Re: Heads up: e2fsprogs-1.42-WIP-0702 pushed to rawhide

2011-10-05 Thread Farkas Levente
On 10/05/2011 12:47 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Tue, Oct 04, 2011 at 11:38:18PM +0200, Farkas Levente wrote: >> On 10/04/2011 05:30 PM, Eric Sandeen wrote: > XFS has been proven at this scale on Linux for a very long time, is all. the why rh do NOT support it in 32 bit? there'r

Re: Heads up: e2fsprogs-1.42-WIP-0702 pushed to rawhide

2011-10-05 Thread Farkas Levente
On 10/05/2011 01:19 AM, Przemek Klosowski wrote: > On 10/03/2011 06:33 PM, Eric Sandeen wrote: >> On 10/3/11 5:13 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: >>> On Mon, Oct 03, 2011 at 04:11:28PM -0500, Eric Sandeen wrote: testing something more real-world (20T ... 500T?) might still be interesting.

Re: systemd and mounting filesystems

2011-10-05 Thread Tom Hughes
On 04/10/11 23:28, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Wed, 05.10.11 00:18, Lennart Poettering (mzerq...@0pointer.de) wrote: > >> On Tue, 04.10.11 15:02, Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) wrote: >> >>> I have a similar problem with some bind mounts over the root filesystem >>> where systemd mounts them while

Re: Dealing with circular BuildRequires?

2011-10-05 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Wed, 05 Oct 2011 02:50:24 -0400, TL (Tom) wrote: > So I started experimenting with updating libpng to a new release series, > and soon found out that it was impossible to rebuild its dependencies. > For example, cairo BuildRequires: librsvg2-devel, and librsvg2 > BuildRequires: cairo-devel, so

Re: Dealing with circular BuildRequires?

2011-10-05 Thread Petr Pisar
On 2011-10-05, Tom Lane wrote: > So I started experimenting with updating libpng to a new release series, > and soon found out that it was impossible to rebuild its dependencies. > For example, cairo BuildRequires: librsvg2-devel, and librsvg2 > BuildRequires: cairo-devel, so there is no order in

Re: systemd and mounting filesystems

2011-10-05 Thread Steven Whitehouse
Hi, On Wed, 2011-10-05 at 00:01 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Tue, 04.10.11 14:39, Steven Whitehouse (swhit...@redhat.com) wrote: > > > Hi, > > Heya, > > > > I'm looking for some info on systemd and how filesystems are mounted in > > Fedora. I've started looking into converting the gfs2

Re: systemd and mounting filesystems

2011-10-05 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 10/05/2011 08:55 AM, Steven Whitehouse wrote: > Ok, excellent, so there is really just one issue to try and resolve in > that case I think, which is the ordering of mounts vs. gfs_controld > start, Hum... Could that be solved either by creating mount/path units ( for the mount point ) and or

[Bug 743519] New: RFE: please update to 0.009

2011-10-05 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. Summary: RFE: please update to 0.009 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=743519 Summary: RFE: please update to 0.009 Product: Fedora Versio

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

2011-10-05 Thread Steve Clark
On 10/05/2011 01:51 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Sat, 2011-09-17 at 13:20 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: (That said, there definitely needs to be a way to disable it, and maybe it should even be disabled by default. I personally always uninstall yum- presto. For me, it's much faster to just downlo

Re: Heads up: e2fsprogs-1.42-WIP-0702 pushed to rawhide

2011-10-05 Thread Ric Wheeler
On 10/05/2011 04:01 AM, Farkas Levente wrote: > On 10/05/2011 12:47 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: >> On Tue, Oct 04, 2011 at 11:38:18PM +0200, Farkas Levente wrote: >>> On 10/04/2011 05:30 PM, Eric Sandeen wrote: >> XFS has been proven at this scale on Linux for a very long time, is all. >

Re: Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-05 Thread Jeff MacDonald
On Tuesday, October 04, 2011 10:08:33 PM Adam Williamson wrote: > > Windows used to have a gui that would show a ruler on your monitor and > > say "hold a real ruler up to this and slide the slider until its the > > same size." Given what's been said about how windows handles DPI I can > > only won

Re: Fedora kernel bug day.

2011-10-05 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Mon, Oct 03, 2011 at 15:36:27 -0400, Dave Jones wrote: > > So we're thinking of trying this again this thursday with a focus on 16, > (but triage work on older releases is welcomed too). I have a bug (36242 at the unavailable kernel bugzilla and 684424 in Fedora) where sound being played us

Re: Fedora 16 beta vice Knoppix

2011-10-05 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 04.10.11 19:38, Adam Williamson (awill...@redhat.com) wrote: > > On Tue, 2011-10-04 at 15:53 -0800, Jef Spaleta wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 3:32 PM, JB wrote: > > > Let me append "The Blame Game". > > > # systemd-analyze blame > > > 32983ms livesys.service > > > 22828ms NetworkMa

[perl-Class-Load] Update to 0.11

2011-10-05 Thread Paul Howarth
commit bf9aac4dbf863548c7b15f6ffe58f5c5f5473862 Author: Paul Howarth Date: Wed Oct 5 13:30:54 2011 +0100 Update to 0.11 - New upstream release 0.11: - Don't accept package names that start with a digit - Rewrite some of the guts to use Module::Runtime rather than reimp

Re: Fedora 16 beta vice Knoppix

2011-10-05 Thread Kay Sievers
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 15:09, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Tue, 04.10.11 19:38, Adam Williamson (awill...@redhat.com) wrote: >> >> On Tue, 2011-10-04 at 15:53 -0800, Jef Spaleta wrote: >> > On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 3:32 PM, JB wrote: >> > > Let me append "The Blame Game". >> > > # systemd-analyze

Re: Fedora 16 beta vice Knoppix

2011-10-05 Thread Horst H. von Brand
Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Tue, 04.10.11 21:01, JB (jb.1234a...@gmail.com) wrote: > > Results interpretation. > > --- > > Knoppix won by a wide margin, while: > > - Knoppix having microknoppix fast-parallel boot (based on SysV/LSB scripts) > > and DE with low resources us

Re: Fedora 16 beta vice Knoppix

2011-10-05 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 04.10.11 19:40, Adam Williamson (awill...@redhat.com) wrote: > > On Tue, 2011-10-04 at 16:55 -0800, Jef Spaleta wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 3:32 PM, JB wrote: > > > 13837ms udev-settle.service > > > 11392ms plymouth-start.service > > > > > > if you use the plot option instead o

Re: Fedora 16 beta vice Knoppix

2011-10-05 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Wed, 05.10.11 10:17, Horst H. von Brand (vonbr...@inf.utfsm.cl) wrote: > > Lennart Poettering wrote: > > On Tue, 04.10.11 21:01, JB (jb.1234a...@gmail.com) wrote: > > > Results interpretation. > > > --- > > > Knoppix won by a wide margin, while: > > > - Knoppix having micr

rawhide report: 20111005 changes

2011-10-05 Thread Rawhide Report
Compose started at Wed Oct 5 08:15:57 UTC 2011 Broken deps for x86_64 -- 389-admin-1.1.23-1.fc17.i686 requires libicuuc.so.46 389-admin-1.1.23-1.fc17.i686 requires libicui18n.so.46 389-admin-1.1.23-1.fc17.i686 require

Re: Fedora 16 beta vice Knoppix

2011-10-05 Thread Kay Sievers
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 15:28, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Tue, 04.10.11 19:40, Adam Williamson (awill...@redhat.com) wrote: >> On Tue, 2011-10-04 at 16:55 -0800, Jef Spaleta wrote: >> > On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 3:32 PM, JB wrote: >> > >  13837ms udev-settle.service >> > >  11392ms plymouth-start

Re: Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-05 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2011-10-04 at 19:05 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > 96dpi, however, is almost *never* correct, is it? So just taking a > hardcoded number that Microsoft happened to pick a decade ago is hardly > improving matters. The X default used to be 72dpi. Maybe it'll be something else in the futur

Re: release number when upstream *only* has git hashes?

2011-10-05 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Tue, Oct 04, 2011 at 09:32:28PM -0700, Garrett Holmstrom wrote: > On 2011-10-04 12:01, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > > So my solyution: > > foo-0-1.20110120git.fc16 vs > > > > Your solution: > > foo-20110120-1.20110120git.fc16 > > > > (Since it's a snapshot, the date has to go into the release string

Re: release number when upstream *only* has git hashes?

2011-10-05 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Wed, Oct 05, 2011 at 06:53:50AM +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On 10/04/2011 09:01 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > > > Now do we want to put the git hash into the version > > field too? > Yes, because "git checkouts by date" are not sufficiently reliable to > provide deterministic checkouts from

Re: Fedora kernel bug day.

2011-10-05 Thread Dave Jones
On Wed, Oct 05, 2011 at 07:33:22AM -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Mon, Oct 03, 2011 at 15:36:27 -0400, > Dave Jones wrote: > > > > So we're thinking of trying this again this thursday with a focus on 16, > > (but triage work on older releases is welcomed too). > > I have a bug (3624

Re: Fedora 16 beta vice Knoppix

2011-10-05 Thread Horst H. von Brand
Lennart Poettering wrote: [Optimize boot on CD] > Optimizations like this are always thinkable, but then again spending > the time on optimizing CD boots sounds like a lot of time wasted on > yesterday's technology. Humm... for a LiveCD for forensic work (at least) it should be worthwhile, and

[Bug 658976] perl-CGI, perl-CGI-Simple: CVE-2010-2761 - hardcoded MIME boundary value for multipart content, CVE-2010-4410 - CRLF injection allowing HTTP response splitting

2011-10-05 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=658976 Ramon de C Valle changed: What|Removed |Added --

[Bug 658976] perl-CGI, perl-CGI-Simple: CVE-2010-2761 - hardcoded MIME boundary value for multipart content, CVE-2010-4410 - CRLF injection allowing HTTP response splitting

2011-10-05 Thread bugzilla
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[Bug 658976] perl-CGI, perl-CGI-Simple: CVE-2010-2761 - hardcoded MIME boundary value for multipart content, CVE-2010-4410 - CRLF injection allowing HTTP response splitting

2011-10-05 Thread bugzilla
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Re: Fedora 16 beta vice Knoppix

2011-10-05 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Wed, 05.10.11 11:40, Horst H. von Brand (vonbr...@inf.utfsm.cl) wrote: > > Lennart Poettering wrote: > > [Optimize boot on CD] > > > Optimizations like this are always thinkable, but then again spending > > the time on optimizing CD boots sounds like a lot of time wasted on > > yesterday's

Re: Heads up: e2fsprogs-1.42-WIP-0702 pushed to rawhide

2011-10-05 Thread Eric Sandeen
On 10/4/11 6:53 PM, Ric Wheeler wrote: > On 10/04/2011 07:19 PM, Przemek Klosowski wrote: >> On 10/03/2011 06:33 PM, Eric Sandeen wrote: >>> On 10/3/11 5:13 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Mon, Oct 03, 2011 at 04:11:28PM -0500, Eric Sandeen wrote: > testing something more real-world (20T

Self Introduction

2011-10-05 Thread Trond Hasle Amundsen
Hi, Introducing myself as a prospective new package maintainer for Fedora. I recently filed a review request: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=743615 I'm the author of a few Nagios plugins, one of which has become widely used. The review above is for this plugin, check_openmanage.

[Bug 658976] perl-CGI, perl-CGI-Simple: CVE-2010-2761 - hardcoded MIME boundary value for multipart content, CVE-2010-4410 - CRLF injection allowing HTTP response splitting

2011-10-05 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=658976 --- Comment #18 from Ramon de C Valle 2011-10-05 10:55:37 EDT --- Created perl-CGI tracking bugs for this issue Affects: fedor

[Bug 658976] perl-CGI, perl-CGI-Simple: CVE-2010-2761 - hardcoded MIME boundary value for multipart content, CVE-2010-4410 - CRLF injection allowing HTTP response splitting

2011-10-05 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=658976 Ramon de C Valle changed: What|Removed |Added --

[Bug 743629] New: perl-CGI, perl-CGI-Simple: CVE-2010-2761 - hardcoded MIME boundary value for multipart content, CVE-2010-4410 - CRLF injection allowing HTTP response splitting [fedora-all]

2011-10-05 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. Summary: perl-CGI, perl-CGI-Simple: CVE-2010-2761 - hardcoded MIME boundary value for multipart content, CVE-2010-4410 - CRLF injection allowing HTTP response splitting [fedora-all

[Bug 743629] perl-CGI, perl-CGI-Simple: CVE-2010-2761 - hardcoded MIME boundary value for multipart content, CVE-2010-4410 - CRLF injection allowing HTTP response splitting [fedora-all]

2011-10-05 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=743629 Ramon de C Valle changed: What|Removed |Added --

[Bug 658976] perl-CGI, perl-CGI-Simple: CVE-2010-2761 - hardcoded MIME boundary value for multipart content, CVE-2010-4410 - CRLF injection allowing HTTP response splitting

2011-10-05 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=658976 Bug 658976 depends on bug 743629, which changed state. Bug 743629 Summary: perl-CGI, perl-CGI-Simple: CVE-2010-2761 - hardcoded

Re: Fedora kernel bug day.

2011-10-05 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Dave Jones said: > Hardware specific problems like this are a nightmare for us to diagnose. > It might even come down to you needing to do a bisect to find the individual > kernel change that caused the problem. (assuming you know a 'good' version > to start from) I know suspend

Re: Fedora 16 beta vice Knoppix

2011-10-05 Thread JB
JB gmail.com> writes: > ... The only difference to previous run is that ethernet cable (with good ISP service) was plugged in during boot time. You can see userspace time, and thus total time reduced by more than 300%. # less -i /var/log/messages ... Oct 5 05:33:51 localhost systemd[1]: Startu

Re: Unable to reach a package maintainer for deprecation request

2011-10-05 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Mon, 3 Oct 2011 10:03:55 -0700 Steve Jenkins wrote: > I'm not sure of the correct protocol in cases like this, so any > guidance is appreciated. > > Early last month, I sent a message to all the addresses I could find > for Jim Radford (jradford), the maintainer of the dkim-milter package: >

Re: Fedora 16 beta vice Knoppix

2011-10-05 Thread Jef Spaleta
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 6:40 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > So essentially all that's going on here is 'wait for udev to be done', > which is a fairly sensible prerequisite for all manner of other bits of > boot. > > The reasons why udev takes a while to be 'done' are more interesting and > Lennart w

Re: Heads up: e2fsprogs-1.42-WIP-0702 pushed to rawhide

2011-10-05 Thread Eric Sandeen
On 10/5/11 9:58 AM, Eric Sandeen wrote: > On 10/4/11 6:53 PM, Ric Wheeler wrote: ... >> Note that ext4 has a new feature that allows inodes to be initialized in the >> background, so you will see much quicker mkfs.ext4 times as well :) > > right; for large ext4 fs use (or testing), try > > #

Re: Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-05 Thread Matyas Selmeci
Adam Williamson wrote on Tue, Oct 04, 2011 at 07:08:33PM -0700: > On Tue, 2011-10-04 at 16:24 -0400, Casey Dahlin wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 04, 2011 at 04:17:08PM -0400, Martin Langhoff wrote: > > > For fedora users, as others have mentioned, perhaps a UI that lets > > > users test a couple of possibl

Re: Dealing with circular BuildRequires?

2011-10-05 Thread Tom Lane
Petr Pisar writes: > On 2011-10-05, Tom Lane wrote: >> For example, cairo BuildRequires: librsvg2-devel, and librsvg2 >> BuildRequires: cairo-devel, so there is no order in which I can rebuild >> them. How the heck did we get into such a situation, and what should >> I do about it? Neither spec

Re: Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-05 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2011-10-05 at 10:30 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: > On Tue, 2011-10-04 at 19:05 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > 96dpi, however, is almost *never* correct, is it? So just taking a > > hardcoded number that Microsoft happened to pick a decade ago is hardly > > improving matters. > > The X

File MooseX-Types-Structured-0.28.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by iarnell

2011-10-05 Thread Iain Arnell
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-MooseX-Types-Structured: 40f9fc2bd8c66803266a1c16f8fb2742 MooseX-Types-Structured-0.28.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin

[perl-MooseX-Types-Structured] update to 0.28

2011-10-05 Thread Iain Arnell
commit cb5c572bd5cc8cd95d14276ad0224c7011730100 Author: Iain Arnell Date: Wed Oct 5 18:31:56 2011 +0200 update to 0.28 .gitignore|1 + perl-MooseX-Types-Structured.spec |7 +-- sources |2 +- 3 files changed, 7 insertions(+

[perl-MooseX-Types-Structured/f16] update to 0.28

2011-10-05 Thread Iain Arnell
Summary of changes: cb5c572... update to 0.28 (*) (*) This commit already existed in another branch; no separate mail sent -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mail

[perl-MooseX-Types-Structured/f15] (3 commits) ...update to 0.28

2011-10-05 Thread Iain Arnell
Summary of changes: d8d43b6... update to 0.27 (*) c4d4051... Perl mass rebuild (*) cb5c572... update to 0.28 (*) (*) This commit already existed in another branch; no separate mail sent -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl

[perl-MooseX-Types-Structured/f14] (6 commits) ...update to 0.28

2011-10-05 Thread Iain Arnell
Summary of changes: ce02159... update to 0.26 (*) e722023... additional provides for packages hidden from PAUSE (*) 45876b0... - Rebuilt for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_15_Mass (*) d8d43b6... update to 0.27 (*) c4d4051... Perl mass rebuild (*) cb5c572... update to 0.28 (*) (

Re: Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-05 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2011-10-05 at 10:49 -0500, Matyas Selmeci wrote: > > > Windows used to have a gui that would show a ruler on your monitor and > > > say "hold a real ruler up to this and slide the slider until its the > > > same size." Given what's been said about how windows handles DPI I can > > > only w

Re: Dealing with circular BuildRequires?

2011-10-05 Thread Nathanael D. Noblet
On 10/05/2011 10:02 AM, Tom Lane wrote: > What exactly did you do for "dependency-ordered builds"? What I could > really use right now is a tool that would sort the package list into > dependency order for me, and point to where there are circularities. > I'd like to think that wheel has been inve

Re: Fedora kernel bug day.

2011-10-05 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Oct 05, 2011 at 10:38:18 -0400, Dave Jones wrote: > > The kernel-debug rpm should have everything you'd need. But I can't get the system to crash to get a traceback. It just hangs. I tried using the sysrq commands and NMI timeouts and I haven't been able to get a dump or traceback. >

Re: Dealing with circular BuildRequires?

2011-10-05 Thread Adam Huffman
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 5:02 PM, Tom Lane wrote: > Petr Pisar writes: >> On 2011-10-05, Tom Lane wrote: >>> For example, cairo BuildRequires: librsvg2-devel, and librsvg2 >>> BuildRequires: cairo-devel, so there is no order in which I can rebuild >>> them.  How the heck did we get into such a sit

Re: Dealing with circular BuildRequires?

2011-10-05 Thread seth vidal
On Wed, 2011-10-05 at 10:17 -0600, Nathanael D. Noblet wrote: > On 10/05/2011 10:02 AM, Tom Lane wrote: > > What exactly did you do for "dependency-ordered builds"? What I could > > really use right now is a tool that would sort the package list into > > dependency order for me, and point to where

[Bug 743519] RFE: please update to 0.009

2011-10-05 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=743519 Fedora Update System changed: What|Removed |Added --

Re: release number when upstream *only* has git hashes?

2011-10-05 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 10/05/2011 04:35 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > On Wed, Oct 05, 2011 at 06:53:50AM +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: >> On 10/04/2011 09:01 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: >> >>> Now do we want to put the git hash into the version >>> field too? >> Yes, because "git checkouts by date" are not sufficiently

[pkgdb] perl-Pugs-Compiler-Rule (un)retirement

2011-10-05 Thread Fedora PackageDB
Package perl-Pugs-Compiler-Rule in Fedora devel has been retired by steve To make changes to this package see: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/name/perl-Pugs-Compiler-Rule -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@l

[pkgdb] perl-Pugs-Compiler-Rule (un)retirement

2011-10-05 Thread Fedora PackageDB
Package perl-Pugs-Compiler-Rule in Fedora 16 has been retired by steve To make changes to this package see: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/name/perl-Pugs-Compiler-Rule -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@list

Re: GDBM upgrade in F17

2011-10-05 Thread Jesse Keating
On Oct 4, 2011, at 10:31 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Thu, 2011-09-29 at 09:39 -0400, Jesse Keating wrote: >> On Sep 29, 2011, at 6:22 AM, Nils Philippsen wrote: >>> >>> Ahh I'm late. Anyway, that's a side-effect of using the bodhi interface >>> to manage something in koji then. It'd still be h

[Bug 741576] perl-DateTime-TimeZone-1.39 is available

2011-10-05 Thread bugzilla
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[Bug 741576] perl-DateTime-TimeZone-1.39 is available

2011-10-05 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=741576 --- Comment #5 from Fedora Update System 2011-10-05 13:36:06 EDT --- perl-DateTime-TimeZone-1.39-1.fc16 has been pushed to the

Re: Fedora 16 beta vice Knoppix

2011-10-05 Thread JB
Jef Spaleta gmail.com> writes: > > On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 6:40 PM, Adam Williamson redhat.com> > wrote: > > So essentially all that's going on here is 'wait for udev to be done', > > which is a fairly sensible prerequisite for all manner of other bits of > > boot. > > > > The reasons why udev

Re: Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-05 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Wed, Oct 05, 2011 at 09:26:59AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > You just did, sorry. ;) Hardware sucks. We know this. Fedora generally > takes the position that it's correct to engineer things properly and > regretfully explain that the hardware sucks when this causes problems, > not engineer h

Re: Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-05 Thread Peter Jones
On 10/05/2011 12:26 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > You just did, sorry. ;) Hardware sucks. We know this. Fedora generally > takes the position that it's correct to engineer things properly and > regretfully explain that the hardware sucks when this causes problems, > not engineer hacks and bodges to

Re: Heads up: e2fsprogs-1.42-WIP-0702 pushed to rawhide

2011-10-05 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Wed, Oct 05, 2011 at 09:58:59AM -0500, Eric Sandeen wrote: > right; for large ext4 fs use (or testing), try > > # mkfs.ext4 -E lazy_itable_init=1 /dev/blah > > this will cause it to skip inode table initialization, and speed up > mkfs a LOT. It'll also keep sparse test images smaller. > > IMH

Re: Heads up: e2fsprogs-1.42-WIP-0702 pushed to rawhide

2011-10-05 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Wed, Oct 05, 2011 at 10:42:37AM -0500, Eric Sandeen wrote: > On 10/5/11 9:58 AM, Eric Sandeen wrote: > > On 10/4/11 6:53 PM, Ric Wheeler wrote: > > ... > > >> Note that ext4 has a new feature that allows inodes to be initialized in > >> the > >> background, so you will see much quicker mkfs.

Re: Fedora kernel bug day.

2011-10-05 Thread Dave Jones
Some details about the triage day we are holding tomorrow. Where: #fedora-kernel on irc.freenode.net When: October 6th 2011 What: The primary focus is going to be on getting things in the best shape possible for Fedora 16's release. However there are some useful things that can be done for all

Re: GDBM upgrade in F17

2011-10-05 Thread Tom Lane
Jesse Keating writes: > tl;dr if you're looking for bodhi to allow on-demand creation of topic-tags > for isolating build efforts from rawhide, that's too expensive of an item to > allow a free-for-all at this time, in my opinion. Fair enough. Is there a policy or guideline on how big a change

Re: GDBM upgrade in F17

2011-10-05 Thread Jesse Keating
On Oct 5, 2011, at 11:07 AM, Tom Lane wrote: > Jesse Keating writes: >> tl;dr if you're looking for bodhi to allow on-demand creation of topic-tags >> for isolating build efforts from rawhide, that's too expensive of an item to >> allow a free-for-all at this time, in my opinion. > > Fair enoug

Re: Fedora 16 beta vice Knoppix

2011-10-05 Thread Jef Spaleta
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 9:22 AM, JB wrote: > Here it is. No..that's not it.. that is the starting point necessary to understand the udev differences between the two systems. It is not a dissection. To understand what is happening with udev across those systems you have to look really close at the

Re: Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-05 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2011-10-05 at 13:50 -0400, Peter Jones wrote: > On 10/05/2011 12:26 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > You just did, sorry. ;) Hardware sucks. We know this. Fedora generally > > takes the position that it's correct to engineer things properly and > > regretfully explain that the hardware suc

Re: Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-05 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2011-10-05 at 18:49 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: > So, ok, now you have some belief about the DPI. But which DPI? If you're > dual head, you've got two. Unless they match you're screwed - there's no > magic way to get applications to reflow text just because you've moved > the window b

Re: Fedora 16 beta vice Knoppix

2011-10-05 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2011-10-05 at 15:28 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > Please, don't claim that "udev settle" was a sensible prerequisite. It > isn't. It has no place in today's dynamic hardware. Thanks for the correction. (you might want to talk to the anaconda team, then, because liveinst runs 'udevad

Re: Fedora 16 beta vice Knoppix

2011-10-05 Thread Bill Nottingham
Kay Sievers (kay.siev...@vrfy.org) said: > Any system service that today relies in its core on 'udevadm settle' > or scsi-wait-scan module, or any of the other bad hacks in that > category, anything that uses these barriers as a checkpoint to block > on, to do its synchronous actions, should be co

Re: Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-05 Thread Simo Sorce
On Wed, 2011-10-05 at 12:31 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Wed, 2011-10-05 at 18:49 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: > > > So, ok, now you have some belief about the DPI. But which DPI? If you're > > dual head, you've got two. Unless they match you're screwed - there's no > > magic way to get a

Re: Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-05 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2011-10-05 at 15:44 -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: > On Wed, 2011-10-05 at 12:31 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Wed, 2011-10-05 at 18:49 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: > > > > > So, ok, now you have some belief about the DPI. But which DPI? If you're > > > dual head, you've got two. Unless

Re: Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-05 Thread Bob Arendt
On 10/05/11 12:31, Adam Williamson wrote: > Like I replied to ajax, I suspect when the problem of assuming > everything's 96dpi becomes simply too acute, instead of fixing > everything really properly so that all displays correct report their > size and all desktops actually do resolution independe

Re: Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-05 Thread Frank Ch. Eigler
Adam Williamson writes: > [...] > But that's still going to require some kind of sensible handling of the > case where one monitor is roughly 100dpi and the other is roughly > 200dpi, unless we simply say 'you can't do that, all your displays have > to be in the same DPI Category'. Perhaps the s

Re: Fedora 16 beta vice Knoppix

2011-10-05 Thread Jef Spaleta
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 5:56 AM, Kay Sievers wrote: > There is no general rule, but anything that calls 'udevadm settle' is > suspicious and should be carefully checked if it does not rely on > assumptions which just bet on luck and can't reliably work in hotplug > setups. Kay, Is there a general

Re: Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-05 Thread Simo Sorce
On Wed, 2011-10-05 at 12:49 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Wed, 2011-10-05 at 15:44 -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: > > On Wed, 2011-10-05 at 12:31 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > On Wed, 2011-10-05 at 18:49 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: > > > > > > > So, ok, now you have some belief about the DP

Re: Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-05 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2011-10-05 at 15:56 -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: > > > Are you saying fonts should change on the fly when I move an app between > > > 2 monitors that have different DPIs ? > > > > If they're sufficiently different in DPI, sure. Or would you really want > > everything to suddenly become twice

Re: Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-05 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Wed, Oct 05, 2011 at 12:31:50PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > Like I replied to ajax, I suspect when the problem of assuming > everything's 96dpi becomes simply too acute, instead of fixing > everything really properly so that all displays correct report their > size and all desktops actually

Re: Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-05 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2011-10-05 at 21:31 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: > On Wed, Oct 05, 2011 at 12:31:50PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > Like I replied to ajax, I suspect when the problem of assuming > > everything's 96dpi becomes simply too acute, instead of fixing > > everything really properly so tha

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

2011-10-05 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2011-10-05 at 06:54 -0400, Steve Clark wrote: > On 10/05/2011 01:51 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Sat, 2011-09-17 at 13:20 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > > > > (That said, there definitely needs to be a way to disable it, and maybe > > > it > > > should even be disabled by default.

Re: Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-05 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Wed, Oct 05, 2011 at 01:34:43PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > I'm just saying it would probably pay off to put some thought *now* into > how to manage things when higher resolution displays become so prevalent > that they can't be ignored, rather than desperately scrambling to catch > up when

Re: About Feature enhancement Updates Policy

2011-10-05 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2011-09-26 at 11:42 -0300, Sergio Belkin wrote: > >> "Abiword releases a new version that adds compatibility with WordStar > >> 4.0 documents. It also completely updates the user interface to use > >> pie menus. This would be a feature enhancement with a major user > >> experience change,

Re: Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-05 Thread Benny Amorsen
Matthew Garrett writes: > We have no technological solution for dealing with the fact that > applications may move from one DPI to another at runtime, and may even > be displaying on both displays at once. >From a technology viewpoint, that is actually theoretically easy to handle on modern ha

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCO meeting (2011-10-03)

2011-10-05 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2011-10-03 at 13:46 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: > * #667 Request to fix CRITPATH update process (ajax, 17:06:03) >* AGREED: critpath package rules to be modified per sgallagh's > proposal above (ajax, 17:14:09) >* ACTION: nirik to file bodhi ticket for critpath change (ajax,

Re: Fedora kernel bug day.

2011-10-05 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2011-10-03 at 15:36 -0400, Dave Jones wrote: > On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 10:24:45PM -0400, Dave Jones wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 03:33:24PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > > > > We'll be doing this in #fedora-kernel next Monday (22nd) > > > > I expect that the wiki page wi

Re: GDBM upgrade in F17

2011-10-05 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2011-10-05 at 10:06 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: > On Oct 4, 2011, at 10:31 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Thu, 2011-09-29 at 09:39 -0400, Jesse Keating wrote: > >> On Sep 29, 2011, at 6:22 AM, Nils Philippsen wrote: > >>> > >>> Ahh I'm late. Anyway, that's a side-effect of using the bod

Re: Heads up: e2fsprogs-1.42-WIP-0702 pushed to rawhide

2011-10-05 Thread Farkas Levente
On 10/05/2011 05:42 PM, Eric Sandeen wrote: >> right; for large ext4 fs use (or testing), try >> >> # mkfs.ext4 -E lazy_itable_init=1 /dev/blah >> >> this will cause it to skip inode table initialization, and speed up mkfs a >> LOT. >> It'll also keep sparse test images smaller. >> >> IMHO this s

Re: Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-05 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Wed, Oct 05, 2011 at 11:11:38PM +0200, Benny Amorsen wrote: > Matthew Garrett writes: > > > We have no technological solution for dealing with the fact that > > applications may move from one DPI to another at runtime, and may even > > be displaying on both displays at once. > > >From a tec

Re: Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-05 Thread Adam Jackson
On Wed, 2011-10-05 at 23:11 +0200, Benny Amorsen wrote: > Matthew Garrett writes: > > > We have no technological solution for dealing with the fact that > > applications may move from one DPI to another at runtime, and may even > > be displaying on both displays at once. > > >From a technology

Re: Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-05 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 5.10.2011 21:56, Simo Sorce napsal(a): > On Wed, 2011-10-05 at 12:49 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: >> On Wed, 2011-10-05 at 15:44 -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: >>> On Wed, 2011-10-05 at 12:31 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2011-10-05 at 18:49 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: > So,

Re: Dealing with circular BuildRequires?

2011-10-05 Thread Petr Pisar
On 2011-10-05, Tom Lane wrote: > > What exactly did you do for "dependency-ordered builds"? What I could > really use right now is a tool that would sort the package list into > dependency order for me, and point to where there are circularities. > I'd like to think that wheel has been invented a

Re: GDBM upgrade in F17

2011-10-05 Thread Petr Pisar
On 2011-10-05, Tom Lane wrote: > > My particular reason for asking is that I'm looking at a soname bump for > libpng, and if repoquery is telling me the truth, there are about 1200 > packages that will need to be rebuilt. > Few days ago I've been asked by Marcela how should I cope with this proble

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