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Compose started at Sun Jul 3 08:15:32 UTC 2011 Broken deps for x86_64 -- acheck-0.5.1-4.fc15.noarch requires perl(Text::Aspell) audacious-plugin-xmp-3.3.0-7.fc16.x86_64 requires audacious(plugin-api) = 0:19 bibletime

Re: Comaintaining and/or help for qucs and freehdl

2011-07-03 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sat, Jul 02, 2011 at 20:05:53 +0200, Eric Tanguy wrote: > Thanks for the suggestion. I have already tried the new version with the > same errors. I eventually noticed that in the bug report as well. I think not using tr1 to provide complex functions is the way to go in the short run. Trying

Re: Comaintaining and/or help for qucs and freehdl

2011-07-03 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sun, Jul 03, 2011 at 08:10:25 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > the normal complex definitions. But I think I have a simple hack to do > it now. The test build is still running, but if it works I'll post the > patches to the bug. The test build completed. I didn't actually try running the prog

Calling autoconf in a spec.

2011-07-03 Thread Ankur Sinha
Hello, I need help with a package[0] that needs autoconf to be called before the build can begin. I've read this draft which addresses the issue[1]. I used the second solution which says: "When manual modification of configure or Makefile.in for the purpose of generating a patch is impractical, p

Re: Trusted Boot in Fedora

2011-07-03 Thread 夜神 岩男
On Wed, 2011-06-29 at 13:48 +0200, Björn Persson wrote: > Miloslav Trmač wrote: > > First, the TPM (nor the CPU) really can't tell the difference between > > the owner of the computer and an author of a virus. > > A jumper on the motherboard, or some other kind of physical circuit breaker, > can

Re: Calling autoconf in a spec.

2011-07-03 Thread Tom Lane
Ankur Sinha writes: > I need help with a package[0] that needs autoconf to be called before > the build can begin. I've read this draft which addresses the issue[1]. > I used the second solution which says: > "When manual modification of configure or Makefile.in for the purpose of > generating a

Re: Calling autoconf in a spec.

2011-07-03 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Tom Lane writes: Ankur Sinha writes: > I need help with a package[0] that needs autoconf to be called before > the build can begin. I've read this draft which addresses the issue[1]. > I used the second solution which says: > "When manual modification of configure or Makefile.in for the purpos

Re: Calling autoconf in a spec.

2011-07-03 Thread Tom Lane
Sam Varshavchik writes: > To add to that: I never recall a single instance where I couldn't fix any > breakage in someone else's canned configure/makefile scripts without having > to rerun autoconf and automake. > If there was a problem in the configure script, rather than patching > config

Re: Calling autoconf in a spec.

2011-07-03 Thread drago01
On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 7:31 PM, Tom Lane wrote: > Sam Varshavchik writes: >> To add to that: I never recall a single instance where I couldn't fix any >> breakage in someone else's canned configure/makefile scripts without having >> to rerun autoconf and automake. > >> If there was a problem in t

Re: Calling autoconf in a spec.

2011-07-03 Thread Sam Varshavchik
drago01 writes: On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 7:31 PM, Tom Lane wrote: > Sam Varshavchik writes: >> To add to that: I never recall a single instance where I couldn't fix any >> breakage in someone else's canned configure/makefile scripts without having >> to rerun autoconf and automake. > >> If th

R: Re: Calling autoconf in a spec.

2011-07-03 Thread pinto.e...@gmail.com
First of all Sorry for not quoting. It is just for telling an opinion from someone that know the autofu well, almost. For me this idea of patching generated autofu is wrong. if i have to patching the GNU build system there is a reason of course. Which reason is right for a packager ? Imho in ma

Re: Calling autoconf in a spec.

2011-07-03 Thread Kevin Kofler
Ankur Sinha wrote: > I need help with a package[0] that needs autoconf to be called before > the build can begin. I've read this draft which addresses the issue[1]. > I used the second solution which says: > [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackagingDrafts/AutoConf That draft is a draft for a re

Re: Comaintaining and/or help for qucs and freehdl

2011-07-03 Thread Eric Tanguy
Le 03/07/2011 15:33, Bruno Wolff III a écrit : > On Sun, Jul 03, 2011 at 08:10:25 -0500, >Bruno Wolff III wrote: >> the normal complex definitions. But I think I have a simple hack to do >> it now. The test build is still running, but if it works I'll post the >> patches to the bug. > The test

Re: Calling autoconf in a spec.

2011-07-03 Thread Kevin Kofler
drago01 wrote: > Exactly patching generated code is just wrong period. +1. It's also a violation of the GPL (for GPLed projects), because you aren't changing the preferred form for modification. Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraprojec

Re: Calling autoconf in a spec.

2011-07-03 Thread Kevin Kofler
Sam Varshavchik wrote: > Ok, then when you patch configure.in, configure.ac, and/or Makefile.am, be > sure to also specify: > > BuildRequires: autoconf=[version] > > and > > BuildRequires: automake=[version] > > in order to have a reproducible build. Nonsense. Even many upstreams do that. (I k

Re: R: Re: Calling autoconf in a spec.

2011-07-03 Thread Kevin Kofler
pinto.e...@gmail.com wrote: > First of all Sorry for not quoting. It is just for telling an opinion from > someone that know the autofu well, almost. For me this idea of patching > generated autofu is wrong. if i have to patching the GNU build system > there is a reason of course. Which reason is

Re: R: Re: Calling autoconf in a spec.

2011-07-03 Thread Farkas Levente
On 07/03/2011 10:34 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > FWIW, I think we should actually run autoreconf -i -f in ALL specfiles as a > matter of policy, even if we aren't changing anything, the same way we > require Java JARs to be rebuilt from source. please no! curently most of the fedora packages can be

Deprecating podsleuth and ipod-sharp in rawhide

2011-07-03 Thread Christian Krause
Hi, I'm going to deprecate podsleuth and ipod-sharp in rawhide. Banshee has switched to libgpod(-sharp) and no other package depends on these two packages. Are there any objections? Best regards, Christian -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mai

R: Re: Calling autoconf in a spec.

2011-07-03 Thread pinto.e...@gmail.com
Thanks. But the GNU build system don't require or need this by definition, Regards Messaggio originale Da: Kevin Kofler Inviato: 03/07/2011, 22:34 A: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Oggetto: Re: R: Re: Calling autoconf in a spec. pinto.e...@gmail.com wrote: > First of all Sorry for not

Re: Calling autoconf in a spec.

2011-07-03 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Kevin Kofler writes: Sam Varshavchik wrote: > Ok, then when you patch configure.in, configure.ac, and/or Makefile.am, be > sure to also specify: > > BuildRequires: autoconf=[version] > > and > > BuildRequires: automake=[version] > > in order to have a reproducible build. Nonsense. Even many ups

Re: Calling autoconf in a spec.

2011-07-03 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Kevin Kofler writes: drago01 wrote: > Exactly patching generated code is just wrong period. +1. It's also a violation of the GPL (for GPLed projects), because you aren't changing the preferred form for modification. Indeed. How dare do those upstreams publish files containing non-preferred

proventester attention needed for wacom

2011-07-03 Thread Peter Hutterer
Please give some karma to https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/xorg-x11-drv-wacom-0.11.1-1.fc15 This update has been in testing since May 30, the daily reminder emails are starting to get annoying. Thanks. Cheers, Peter -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedo

Re: R: Re: Calling autoconf in a spec.

2011-07-03 Thread Ankur Sinha
Hi folks, Thanks all for the input. I didn't realize the subject was *this* controversial. I did find the other discussion thread[1] which was aimed at completing the draft I had linked to, and as you'll notice it was inconclusive. I was hoping something had changed (the thread dates back to 2008)

Re: Calling autoconf in a spec.

2011-07-03 Thread Kevin Kofler
Sam Varshavchik wrote: > Kevin Kofler writes: > >> Sam Varshavchik wrote: >> > Ok, then when you patch configure.in, configure.ac, and/or Makefile.am, >> > be sure to also specify: >> > >> > BuildRequires: autoconf=[version] >> > >> > and >> > >> > BuildRequires: automake=[version] >> > >> > in o

Re: Calling autoconf in a spec.

2011-07-03 Thread Kevin Kofler
Sam Varshavchik wrote: > Indeed. How dare do those upstreams publish files containing non-preferred > form for modifications, in their tarballs? The GPL doesn't ban shipping generated files as long as they're accompanied by their source code. It does ban editing only the generated files without a

Re: R: Re: Calling autoconf in a spec.

2011-07-03 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Mon, Jul 04, 2011 at 06:31:18AM +0530, Ankur Sinha wrote: > Hi folks, > > Thanks all for the input. I didn't realize the subject was *this* > controversial. I did find the other discussion thread[1] which was aimed > at completing the draft I had linked to, and as you'll notice it was > inconcl

Re: Calling autoconf in a spec.

2011-07-03 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 07/03/2011 10:31 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Sam Varshavchik wrote: >> Ok, then when you patch configure.in, configure.ac, and/or Makefile.am, be >> sure to also specify: >> >> BuildRequires: autoconf=[version] >> >> and >> >> BuildRequires: automake=[version] >> >> in order to have a reproducible

Re: Calling autoconf in a spec.

2011-07-03 Thread Tom Lane
Kevin Kofler writes: > And in addition, I consider the concept of including generated files in > what's supposed to be a source tarball to be broken by design. A source > tarball is supposed to contain SOURCE code, not generated code. Anything > needing to be generated should be generated durin

Re: Calling autoconf in a spec.

2011-07-03 Thread Kevin Kofler
Tom Lane wrote: > That sounds more like dogmatism than practical thinking. It's common to > pre-generate some of the files in a distribution tarball, just so that > users aren't required to have specific tools in order to build the code > (unless they want to modify the input files for those tools

Re: R: Re: Calling autoconf in a spec.

2011-07-03 Thread Tom Lane
Kevin Kofler writes: > FWIW, I think we should actually run autoreconf -i -f in ALL specfiles as a > matter of policy, even if we aren't changing anything, To what end? If you need to change configure.ac, that's one thing ... but if you don't, you're just uselessly exposing yourself to risks.

Re: Calling autoconf in a spec.

2011-07-03 Thread Tom Lane
Kevin Kofler writes: > Tom Lane wrote: >> That sounds more like dogmatism than practical thinking. It's common to >> pre-generate some of the files in a distribution tarball, just so that >> users aren't required to have specific tools in order to build the code >> (unless they want to modify the

Re: Calling autoconf in a spec.

2011-07-03 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Kevin Kofler writes: Sam Varshavchik wrote: > > Can you translate that. It's nonsense because many upstreams do that? Oops, I forgot the most important word. :-( Nonsense. Even many upstreams DON'T do that. Only very few upstreams use a specific version of autoconf and/or automake, most upst

Re: Calling autoconf in a spec.

2011-07-03 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Kevin Kofler writes: And in addition, I consider the concept of including generated files in what's supposed to be a source tarball to be broken by design. A source tarball is supposed to contain SOURCE code, not generated code. Anything needing to be generated should be generated during the bui

Re: Comaintaining and/or help for qucs and freehdl

2011-07-03 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sun, Jul 03, 2011 at 22:30:01 +0200, Eric Tanguy wrote: > > Could you help me for this problem also ? I can take a look at it, but probably not for a few days. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: R: Re: Calling autoconf in a spec.

2011-07-03 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 07/04/2011 04:37 AM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > On Mon, Jul 04, 2011 at 06:31:18AM +0530, Ankur Sinha wrote: >> Hi folks, >> >> Thanks all for the input. I didn't realize the subject was *this* >> controversial. I did find the other discussion thread[1] which was aimed >> at completing the draft I

Re: proventester attention needed for wacom

2011-07-03 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 07/04/2011 06:18 AM, Peter Hutterer wrote: > Please give some karma to > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/xorg-x11-drv-wacom-0.11.1-1.fc15 > > This update has been in testing since May 30, the daily reminder emails are > starting to get annoying. > > Thanks. Done Rahul -- devel mailing

Re: Calling autoconf in a spec.

2011-07-03 Thread Kevin Kofler
Sam Varshavchik wrote: > Well, to me it makes much more sense to simply eliminate the uncertainty > from the process. If I take the tarball that I'm going to build today, if > I have to rebuild it next year, of a few years from -- the tarball will > remain the same. It's not going to change. Simila

Re: PostgreSQL 9.1 and Lucene Core for F16

2011-07-03 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
On 09:34:10 AM Saturday, July 02, 2011 Michał Piotrowski wrote: > Hi, > > Are there any plans to provide PostgreSQL 9.1 in Fedora 16? PostgreSQL > 9.1 is in beta2 now and it's scheduled for Q3 2011. > > It would be nice to see Lucene Core in F16. There is an old Lucene > 2.9.x for F16 - the lates

Re: Calling autoconf in a spec.

2011-07-03 Thread Kevin Kofler
Tom Lane wrote: > I grow weary of debating this with somebody who can't recognize that his > particular situation is not universal. Many people build code for > themselves, for instance because their preferred platform isn't shipping > the particular version of a package they want (or not shipping