Re: F15 / VirtualBox

2011-06-10 Thread tim.laurid...@gmail.com
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 12:37 AM, Dave Jones wrote: > > Why are people choosing it over other solutions, and what can we change > in qemu/kvm to get users using that instead ? > > I use Virtualbox on a laptop with Fedora 14 as host OS, I use for building and test installation of Windows applicati

Re: F15 / VirtualBox

2011-06-10 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 04:30:07PM -0700, Dan Young wrote: > On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 18:37, Dave Jones wrote: > >> I'm curious why virtualbox has gained so much inertia so quickly. > >> Based solely on the number of kernel bug reports

Re: F15 / VirtualBox

2011-06-10 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 06:37:19PM -0400, Dave Jones wrote: > I'm curious why virtualbox has gained so much inertia so quickly. > Based solely on the number of kernel bug reports we get that seem to be > related to it, I have almost zero confidence in it being reliable. > > Why are people choosing

[Bug 696725] RPM doesn't create /var/run/amavisd

2011-06-10 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=696725 Matthias Haase changed: What|Removed |Added

Re: F15 / VirtualBox

2011-06-10 Thread Peter Robinson
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 11:37 PM, Dave Jones wrote: > On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 02:00:57PM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: >  > On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 08:01:06PM +1000, Chris Jones wrote: >  > >  > > I agree. As virtualization technology becomes more and more involved >  > > and frequent on users syst

Re: F15 / VirtualBox

2011-06-10 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 09:03:16AM +0200, tim.laurid...@gmail.com wrote: >- Local shared folders. to share files from Fedora host to windows >client. libvirt can do this now, and I think so can virt-manager (not checked). http://libvirt.org/formatdomain.html#elementsFilesystems I'm not s

Re: F15 / VirtualBox

2011-06-10 Thread Tom Hughes
On 10/06/11 09:12, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 09:03:16AM +0200, tim.laurid...@gmail.com wrote: > >> - Running Windows application in a windows guest, runs very smooth, no >> delay in updating the GUI. > > You should try new versions. I've never had a problem with d

Re: F15 / VirtualBox

2011-06-10 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 06:37:19PM -0400, Dave Jones wrote: > I'm curious why virtualbox has gained so much inertia so quickly. > Based solely on the number of kernel bug reports we get that seem to be > related to it, I have almost zero confidence in it being reliable. > > Why are people choosing

[Fwd: [fedora-arm] Fedora 15 ARM hardfp Virtual FAD (Fedora Activity Day) - TODAY]

2011-06-10 Thread Jon Masters
--- Begin Message --- Hi Folks, We are hosting a Fedora 15 hardfp Virtual Fedora Activity Day today, at 14:00UTC (10:00 Eastern Daylight Time). The purpose of this session is to co-ordinate the bootstrap of F15 hardfp (hardware floating point). You can find a lot more detail here, along with all

New cfitsio in rawhide

2011-06-10 Thread Sergio Pascual
Hi, a new cfistio package (3.280) as landed in rawhide. Packages depending on cfitsio should be rebuilt. Regards, Sergio -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: F15 / VirtualBox

2011-06-10 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 09:18:49AM +0100, Tom Hughes wrote: > On 10/06/11 09:12, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > >On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 09:03:16AM +0200, tim.laurid...@gmail.com wrote: > > > >>- Running Windows application in a windows guest, runs very smooth, no > >>delay in updating the GUI

Outage: Server Updates/Reboots - 2011-06-14 21:00 UTC

2011-06-10 Thread Kevin Fenzi
Outage: Server Updates/Reboots - 2011-06-14 21:00 UTC There will be an outage starting at 2011-06-14 21:00 UTC, which will last approximately 1 hour. To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/UTCHowto or run: date -d '2011-06-14 21:00 UT

Re: rawhide missed an implicit dependency for #!python

2011-06-10 Thread Panu Matilainen
On 06/10/2011 02:28 AM, Josh Stone wrote: > On 06/02/2011 01:26 PM, Josh Stone wrote: >> Our dtrace script in systemtap-sdt-devel starts "#!/usr/bin/python". >> Usually this leads to an implicit "Requires: /usr/bin/python", but for >> some reason our rawhide build did not get this. The F15, F14, a

rawhide report: 20110610 changes

2011-06-10 Thread Rawhide Report
Compose started at Fri Jun 10 08:15:18 UTC 2011 Broken deps for x86_64 -- 389-admin-1.1.16-1.fc16.i686 requires libadmsslutil.so.1 389-admin-1.1.16-1.fc16.i686 requires libadminutil.so.1 389-admin-1.1.16-1.fc16.x86_64

Re: F15 / VirtualBox

2011-06-10 Thread Genes MailLists
On 06/09/2011 06:37 PM, Dave Jones wrote: > On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 02:00:57PM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: Long list already from others but a couple of other things that are nice (dont know if qemu has these today, but didn't used to) (i) Variable size image for the VM - it grows

Re: F15 / VirtualBox

2011-06-10 Thread Neal Becker
Dave Jones wrote: > On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 02:00:57PM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 08:01:06PM +1000, Chris Jones wrote: > > > > > I agree. As virtualization technology becomes more and more involved > > > and frequent on users systems, particularly with advanced

Re: F15 / VirtualBox

2011-06-10 Thread Thomas Sailer
On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 08:50 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > The other feature is USB passthrough. (KVM can do this, but IIRC it > only works for USB 1.1 devices and it's not integrated into the UI). Last time I tried I had to specify USB device and bus numbers. This is quite unusable, as they

Re: F15 / VirtualBox

2011-06-10 Thread Thomas Sailer
On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 10:24 +0200, Tomasz Torcz wrote: > - it's memory deduplication reimplements what already in-kernel (for the >sake of cross platform) Kernel deduplication runs amok on my machine. When I have two guests, one Windows, one Rawhide, running under kvm/qemu, kernel deduplicat

Re: Provenpackager help for razertool removal

2011-06-10 Thread Christoph Wickert
Am Sonntag, den 05.06.2011, 13:19 +0200 schrieb Nicola Soranzo: > razertool package is dead upstream razercfg [1] it the successor of razertool. If somebody packages it up, it would be nice to have the package properly obsolete razertool. Regards, Christoph [1] http://bues.ch/cms/hacking/razerc

[perl-Newt] Perl 5.14 mass rebuild

2011-06-10 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
commit 5b996572e5f94e81faea0fb17c4d679849caa698 Author: Marcela Mašláňová Date: Fri Jun 10 14:35:15 2011 +0200 Perl 5.14 mass rebuild perl-Newt.spec |5 - 1 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-Newt.spec b/perl-Newt.spec index 8415f91..79eb48a 10064

[perl-PBS] Perl 5.14 mass rebuild

2011-06-10 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
commit 4d7d2773aaae65d4fc4b2c142824d9c87cc3dd75 Author: Marcela Mašláňová Date: Fri Jun 10 14:35:42 2011 +0200 Perl 5.14 mass rebuild perl-PBS.spec |5 - 1 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-PBS.spec b/perl-PBS.spec index 0372c6d..a7abde8 100644 -

systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-10 Thread Denys Vlasenko
Hi Lennart, systemd is eating a lot more memory than any other init process I ever played with. Granted, systemd does a bit more that "typical" init, but I think using *eleven plus megabytes* of malloced space is a bit much. systemctl --all shows 258 units total on my machine, thus systemd uses

Re: F15 / VirtualBox

2011-06-10 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 06/09/2011 07:44 PM, Chris Jones wrote: > Also, for those that may not be aware, Virtualbox can be installed in > just 2 commands in your Fedora system. Assuming you have wget installed. ... > ~$ su > wget > http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/4.0.8/VirtualBox-4.0-4.0.8_71778_fedora15-1.x

Re: F15 / VirtualBox

2011-06-10 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 02:30:46PM +0200, Thomas Sailer wrote: > On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 10:24 +0200, Tomasz Torcz wrote: > > > - it's memory deduplication reimplements what already in-kernel (for the > >sake of cross platform) > > Kernel deduplication runs amok on my machine. When I have two

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-10 Thread Michal Schmidt
On 06/10/2011 03:07 PM, Denys Vlasenko wrote: > I understand your desire to replace everything by systemd. > I really do. syslogd, klogd, mount, fsck, and a dozen other things > I forget or don't know. You're exaggerating. > Why does systemd link against libpam? > systemd does logins now, not /bi

Re: F15 / VirtualBox

2011-06-10 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 08:08:26AM -0400, Genes MailLists wrote: >(i) Variable size image for the VM >- it grows to accommodate need Interested to know why sparse images or qcow2 don't fulfil your needs. These have been supported in KVM (and Xen) since forever. > (ii) Easy to duplic

Re: F15 / VirtualBox

2011-06-10 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 08:22:37AM -0400, Neal Becker wrote: > 2. Support decent graphics mode in guests. (After installing guest > additions, a winxp guest on fedora host can run in any graphics > resolution. I don't think qemu/kvm does this). With SPICE, maximum resolution is 2560x1600. Rich.

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-10 Thread Steve Clark
On 06/10/2011 09:36 AM, Michal Schmidt wrote: On 06/10/2011 03:07 PM, Denys Vlasenko wrote: I understand your desire to replace everything by systemd. I really do. syslogd, klogd, mount, fsck, and a dozen other things I forget or don't know. You're exaggerating. Why does systemd link against

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-10 Thread Steve Clark
On 06/10/2011 09:07 AM, Denys Vlasenko wrote: Hi Lennart, systemd is eating a lot more memory than any other init process I ever played with. Granted, systemd does a bit more that "typical" init, but I think using *eleven plus megabytes* of malloced space is a bit much. systemctl --all shows 2

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-10 Thread Michal Schmidt
On 06/10/2011 03:59 PM, Steve Clark wrote: > On 06/10/2011 09:36 AM, Michal Schmidt wrote: >> systemd does not take the system down when it crashes. It catches the >> signal, dumps core and freezes, but does not exit. >> ^^^ > So you just end up with a "froze" system ins

Re: F15 / VirtualBox

2011-06-10 Thread Mark Bidewell
>> Why are people choosing it over other solutions, and what can we change >> in qemu/kvm to get users using that instead ? >> >> Dave >> > > 1. Easy setup of networking (bridged). > 2. Support decent graphics mode in guests.  (After installing guest > additions, a > winxp guest on fedora host can

Re: Orphaning Slim

2011-06-10 Thread Christoph Wickert
Am Donnerstag, den 09.06.2011, 13:40 +0400 schrieb Lucas: > What kind of relation between Xfce maintainers and SLIM. The Fedora Xfce SIG considered SLIM but we didn't use it because (at least at that time) it had some problems with ConsoleKit. We are still trying to get rid of GDM but we are mo

Election Results for FESCo and Fedora Board seats

2011-06-10 Thread Jared K. Smith
I'm happy to announce the results of our recent round of elections for at-large seats on the Fedora Board and FESCo, and FAmSCo. The results are as follows: FESCo There were five FESCo seats up for election this cycle. A total of 200 ballots were cast in the FESCo election. Each of the

Re: F15 / VirtualBox

2011-06-10 Thread Michael Cronenworth
Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > They are available, but I think you have to build them yourself from > source. All the information is here: This is not an argument for libvirt/kvm/qemu/spice but against. Here's some constructive advice: 1. Give the Red Hat virtualization tools one, unique name and

Re: F15 / VirtualBox

2011-06-10 Thread Adam Jackson
On 6/10/11 10:39 AM, Mark Bidewell wrote: > To add to the point about graphics support there is also the fact that > GNOME3/Unity will only run with accelerated graphics which only > VirtualBox supports. I have Gnome 3 running with software GL. I'll probably be blogging about it soon, it's not

Re: F15 / VirtualBox

2011-06-10 Thread Tom Hughes
On 10/06/11 16:12, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > >> They are available, but I think you have to build them yourself from >> source. All the information is here: > > 2. Make guest additions dead simple to install. Having to compile them > with a Windows DDK is not dead

Re: F15 / VirtualBox

2011-06-10 Thread Michael Cronenworth
Tom Hughes on 06/10/2011 10:25 AM wrote: > Actually building the driver (once I'd downloaded the 620Mb DDK) was > quite easy. I'm still scratching my head over how to actually install it > though ;-) > > That was only the graphics driver anyway - what I really want is the > agent for the clipboard

Re: F15 / VirtualBox

2011-06-10 Thread Tom Hughes
On 10/06/11 16:54, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > Tom Hughes on 06/10/2011 10:25 AM wrote: >> Actually building the driver (once I'd downloaded the 620Mb DDK) was >> quite easy. I'm still scratching my head over how to actually install it >> though ;-) >> >> That was only the graphics driver anyway -

Re: F15 / VirtualBox

2011-06-10 Thread Thomas Sailer
On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 14:29 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > There's a bug for these issues (no resolution though): > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=541230 My case was way more extreme, one core pretty much fully used by ksmd. It was with late F14, just before the release of F15

Re: Orphaning Slim

2011-06-10 Thread Lucas
On 06/10/2011 07:04 PM, Christoph Wickert wrote: > Am Donnerstag, den 09.06.2011, 13:40 +0400 schrieb Lucas: >> What kind of relation between Xfce maintainers and SLIM. > > The Fedora Xfce SIG considered SLIM but we didn't use it because (at > least at that time) it had some problems with ConsoleKi

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-10 Thread Denys Vlasenko
On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 15:36 +0200, Michal Schmidt wrote: > > Why does systemd link against libpam? > > systemd does logins now, not /bin/login or gdm or ...? > > to implement PAMName= (man systemd.exec) I don't see any users of this feature on my F15. I searched with Google and come up empty too.

Re: [FHS] helper scripts location

2011-06-10 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 12:14:45PM +0200, 80 wrote: > Hi, > > I'm reviewing osc and osc-source_validators (osc is Opensuse Build > Service CLI, the latter a plugin to the former). > An issue arose about helpers script location: > 1) Fedora packaging guidelines suggests helpers *should go* > /usr/l

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-10 Thread Denys Vlasenko
On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 16:11 +0200, Michal Schmidt wrote: > On 06/10/2011 03:59 PM, Steve Clark wrote: > > On 06/10/2011 09:36 AM, Michal Schmidt wrote: > >> systemd does not take the system down when it crashes. It catches the > >> signal, dumps core and freezes, but does not exit. > >>

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-10 Thread Lucas
On 06/10/2011 08:42 PM, Denys Vlasenko wrote: > On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 15:36 +0200, Michal Schmidt wrote: >>> Why does systemd link against libpam? >>> systemd does logins now, not /bin/login or gdm or ...? >> >> to implement PAMName= (man systemd.exec) > > I don't see any users of this feature on m

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-10 Thread Colin Walters
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 9:07 AM, Denys Vlasenko wrote: > > It's the *fourth* largest process on my system! > > > # ldd `which systemd` 1) Looking at what libraries a binary links to a is a terrible way to optimize memory usage; try massif, say 2) It'd be a lot more productive to be positive and n

[389-devel] Please review: Bug 706472 - [console] java exception throw in UI, but user gets created

2011-06-10 Thread Rich Megginson
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=706472 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=504157&action=diff https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=504159 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=504157&action=edit -- 389-devel mailing list 389-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org htt

Bodhi v0.8 in production

2011-06-10 Thread Luke Macken
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates Frontend Web/Client Changes --- * Buildroot Override Management http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Bodhi/BuildRootOverrides * Make update notes mandatory (fesco#457) * Gracefully handle invalid update template values (#5

Heads up: protobuf .so version bump in Rawhide

2011-06-10 Thread BJ Dierkes
Hello all, I've pushed the latest protobuf-2.4.1 to Rawhide, which bumps libprotobuf.so.6 to libprotobuf.so.7. This appears to affect the following "base" packages: * libcompizconfig * mozc * mumble * protobuf-c The primary maintainers of the above have been BC

orphaning xine-lib, EOL'ing phonon-backend-xine

2011-06-10 Thread Rex Dieter
The labor of love that was maintaining xine-lib has passed, as it will no longer be a dependency in f16's kde stack in any form. As such, I'm orphaning it. Kevin Kofler has offered to take ownership, though I'd venture he'd welcome any comaintainer assistance offered. In a similar vein, phono

Re: F15 / VirtualBox

2011-06-10 Thread Neal Becker
Neal Becker wrote: > Dave Jones wrote: > >> On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 02:00:57PM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: >> > On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 08:01:06PM +1000, Chris Jones wrote: >> > >> > > I agree. As virtualization technology becomes more and more involved >> > > and frequent on users systems

Are 3.0 kernels working for anyone?

2011-06-10 Thread Bruno Wolff III
The 3.0 kernels are not working for me. (A cpu lockup is reporting during boot.) I am wondering if things are broken for everyone where I should probably just wait for updates and try again, or if I should get a picture of the traceback and file a bug? -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproje

Re: Are 3.0 kernels working for anyone?

2011-06-10 Thread Tom London
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > The 3.0 kernels are not working for me. (A cpu lockup is reporting during > boot.) I am wondering if things are broken for everyone where I should > probably just wait for updates and try again, or if I should get a picture > of the traceb

Re: Are 3.0 kernels working for anyone?

2011-06-10 Thread Jerry James
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 12:19 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > The 3.0 kernels are not working for me. (A cpu lockup is reporting during > boot.) I am wondering if things are broken for everyone where I should > probably just wait for updates and try again, or if I should get a picture > of the traceb

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-10 Thread mike cloaked
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Denys Vlasenko wrote: > On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 16:11 +0200, Michal Schmidt wrote: >> On 06/10/2011 03:59 PM, Steve Clark wrote: >> > On 06/10/2011 09:36 AM, Michal Schmidt wrote: >> >> systemd does not take the system down when it crashes. It catches the >> >> signa

Re: Are 3.0 kernels working for anyone?

2011-06-10 Thread Tom London
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 11:54 AM, Jerry James wrote: > On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 12:19 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: >> The 3.0 kernels are not working for me. (A cpu lockup is reporting during >> boot.) I am wondering if things are broken for everyone where I should >> probably just wait for updates

Re: Are 3.0 kernels working for anyone?

2011-06-10 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 06/10/2011 02:19 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > The 3.0 kernels are not working for me. (A cpu lockup is reporting during > boot.) I am wondering if things are broken for everyone where I should > probably just wait for updates and try again, or if I should get a picture > of the traceback and fil

Re: F15 / VirtualBox

2011-06-10 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 10:12:50AM -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > They are available, but I think you have to build them yourself from > > source. All the information is here: > > This is not an argument for libvirt/kvm/qemu/spice but against. > > Here's some c

Re: F15 / VirtualBox

2011-06-10 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 02:13:39PM -0400, Neal Becker wrote: > Just to followup, to setup bridged net on kvm I need to reboot my server. > That's a non-starter. I would be very surprised if rebooting was really needed. (But conversely *not* very surprised if the instructions said you need to re

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-10 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 06/11/2011 12:36 AM, mike cloaked wrote: > Would be nice to see the systemd author join this discussion? I am sure you can get answers when someone is off vacation. However what would be really nice is to redirect systemd discussions to its upstream mailing list. Fedora devel is hardly the be

Re: Are 3.0 kernels working for anyone?

2011-06-10 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 01:19:25PM -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > The 3.0 kernels are not working for me. (A cpu lockup is reporting during > boot.) I am wondering if things are broken for everyone where I should > probably just wait for updates and try again, or if I should get a picture > of the

Re: [FHS] helper scripts location

2011-06-10 Thread Haïkel Guémar
Le 10/06/2011 18:56, Toshio Kuratomi a écrit : > > I don't actually see this. Could you point me to the quote and section? > "/usr/libincludes object files, libraries, and internal binaries that are not intended to be executed directly by users or shell scripts." http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/

Re: F15 / VirtualBox

2011-06-10 Thread Michael Cronenworth
Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > If you want excellent desktop usability, then organize a group and > make the work and patches happen. I knew this would be the response, but I do not hold it against you. If anyone wants to hire me and pay me to do this full-time job's worth of work I'd be glad to. ;

Re: [FHS] helper scripts location

2011-06-10 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le vendredi 10 juin 2011 à 21:23 +0200, Haïkel Guémar a écrit : > I spent some time yesterday talking with opensuse guys on irc, since > /usr/libexec has not been blessed by FHS, they won't move helpers from > /usr/lib which is FHS-compliant location. > I think that packaging guidelines should cl

Re: systemd memory usage

2011-06-10 Thread Adam Jackson
On 6/10/11 9:07 AM, Denys Vlasenko wrote: > At the very least, I would like to see its memory consumption > to go down substantially. Let's try to turn this into something constructive. I'll start with David Malcolm's rather nifty, if unpolished, 'heap' plugin for gdb: https://fedorahosted.org

Re: Are 3.0 kernels working for anyone?

2011-06-10 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 15:09:02 -0400, "Clyde E. Kunkel" wrote: > > Couldn't tell you about lockups since if root is on anything with raid > underlying, dracut drops to a shell. You are on the bz: > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=710646 > > Hopefully, someone with apply the

Re: Are 3.0 kernels working for anyone?

2011-06-10 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 20:17:46 +0100, "Richard W.M. Jones" wrote: > > Works very well for me, but: > > - Make sure you're running kernel-3.0-0.rc2.git0.2.fc16 with the > ftrace bug fixed (thanks Kyle). Done. > - Make sure you upgrade module-init-tools *before* installing the 3.0 > kernel.

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-10 Thread mike cloaked
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 8:13 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 06/11/2011 12:36 AM, mike cloaked wrote: >> Would be nice to see the systemd author join this discussion? > > I am sure you can get answers when someone is off vacation.  However > what would be really nice is to redirect systemd discussi

Re: Are 3.0 kernels working for anyone?

2011-06-10 Thread Louis Lagendijk
On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 15:06 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 20:17:46 +0100, > "Richard W.M. Jones" wrote: > > > > Works very well for me, but: > > > > - Make sure you're running kernel-3.0-0.rc2.git0.2.fc16 with the > > ftrace bug fixed (thanks Kyle). > > Done. > > >

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-10 Thread mike cloaked
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 9:44 PM, mike cloaked wrote: > I guess that your reference to moving to upstream indicates that > systemd is now sufficiently established that discussion of problems is > an upstream issue for bug triage/fixing? I would imagine that the user > list may have useful exchange

Re: [FHS] helper scripts location

2011-06-10 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 09:23:54PM +0200, Haïkel Guémar wrote: > Le 10/06/2011 18:56, Toshio Kuratomi a écrit : > > > > I don't actually see this. Could you point me to the quote and section? > > > > > "/usr/libincludes object files, libraries, and internal binaries that > are not intended to be

Re: rawhide missed an implicit dependency for #!python

2011-06-10 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 13:59:18 +0300 Panu Matilainen wrote: > On 06/10/2011 02:28 AM, Josh Stone wrote: > > On 06/02/2011 01:26 PM, Josh Stone wrote: > >> Our dtrace script in systemtap-sdt-devel starts > >> "#!/usr/bin/python". Usually this leads to an implicit > >> "Requires: /usr/bin/python", bu

Re: systemd memory usage

2011-06-10 Thread Michal Schmidt
On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 15:55:14 -0400 Adam Jackson wrote: > Domain KindDetailCount Allocated size > - --- --- -- > uncategorized 2064 bytes5,370 11,083,680 Probably the SELinux file labelling da

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-10 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 06/10/2011 04:44 PM, mike cloaked wrote: > On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 8:13 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> On 06/11/2011 12:36 AM, mike cloaked wrote: >>> Would be nice to see the systemd author join this discussion? >> >> I am sure you can get answers when someone is off vacation. However >> what w

Re: systemd memory usage

2011-06-10 Thread David Malcolm
On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 15:55 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: > On 6/10/11 9:07 AM, Denys Vlasenko wrote: > > > At the very least, I would like to see its memory consumption > > to go down substantially. > > Let's try to turn this into something constructive. I'll start with > David Malcolm's rather n

Re: F15 / VirtualBox

2011-06-10 Thread Chris Jones
Quoting "Thomas Sailer" : > > Also, I have a strange card reader which I would love to use under some > form of virtualisation, as the accompanying application only runs under > very old versions of windows. > > The card reader has the misfeature that it requires firmware to be > loaded by the PC.

Re: F15 / VirtualBox

2011-06-10 Thread Chris Jones
Quoting "Przemek Klosowski" : > > Make it one command: > > yum install > http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/4.0.8/VirtualBox-4.0-4.0.8_71778_fedora15-1.x86_64.rpm > > (or VirtualBox-4.0-4.0.8_71778_fedora15-1.i686.rpm for 32-bit systems) > OMG, I am such a dick for not even thinking of that

Re: F15 / VirtualBox

2011-06-10 Thread Garrett Holmstrom
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 12:11 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > Customers ask us to make the changes they want -- for server use and > scalability -- and KVM is absolutely the best in that area as a > result.  See many recent benchmarks. > > Usability on single desktops is, well ... we do our best.

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2011-06-10 Thread Sergio Belkin
Hi, I've noted a difference between f15 and f14 on the first one mentioned, running the following it fails: ./configure LDFLAGS="-no-install" checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c checking whether build environment is sane... yes checking for a thread-safe mkdir -p... /bin/

Re: Different behaviour on gcc 4.6?

2011-06-10 Thread Sergio Belkin
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Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-10 Thread Genes MailLists
On 06/10/2011 03:13 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > what would be really nice is to redirect systemd discussions to its > upstream mailing list. Fedora devel is hardly the best place for it. > > Rahul Beg to differ - rather vehemently too - politely but vehemently. systemd is only available

Re: orphaning xine-lib, EOL'ing phonon-backend-xine

2011-06-10 Thread Kevin Kofler
Rex Dieter wrote: > The labor of love that was maintaining xine-lib has passed, as it will no > longer be a dependency in f16's kde stack in any form. As such, I'm > orphaning it. Kevin Kofler has offered to take ownership, though I'd > venture he'd welcome any comaintainer assistance offered. F

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-10 Thread Kevin Kofler
Denys Vlasenko wrote: > Mem total:2035840 anon:431208 map:78924 free:419084 [snip] > 1 15384 11856 13664 1340 11752 0 132 /sbin/init So this singleton process is taking 0.76% of your RAM. What the heck are you complaining about? Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists

Re: Different behaviour on gcc 4.6?

2011-06-10 Thread Kevin Kofler
Sergio Belkin wrote: > | int > | { > | > |; > |return 0; > | } This is not a valid C program. Maybe GCC 4.5 accepted this junk?! GCC 4.6 is right to error on it. Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Are 3.0 kernels working for anyone?

2011-06-10 Thread John Dulaney
It was for me until this morning. Virtual box killed it (beware of vb). -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-10 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 06/11/2011 05:20 AM, Genes MailLists wrote: > Lets be blunt here - he pushed very very very hard on these very lists > to get systemd in - now its in F15 and there are problems - so no > punting please. Upstream and fedora are the same for syste That is a gross over simplification. Fedora i

Re: F15 / VirtualBox

2011-06-10 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 06/11/2011 05:35 AM, Garrett Holmstrom wrote: > Why would many prospective contributors choose to work on KVM's > desktop usability when VirtualBox's is already superior? Because they like KVM and use it because of other advantages like performance? Because they disagree with handing copyright

Re: Different behaviour on gcc 4.6?

2011-06-10 Thread Sergio Belkin
2011/6/10 Kevin Kofler : > Sergio Belkin wrote: >> | int >> | { >> | >> |; >> |return 0; >> | } > > This is not a valid C program. Maybe GCC 4.5 accepted this junk?! GCC 4.6 is > right to error on it. > >        Kevin Kofler > > -- Thanks Kevin, but not so fast ;) ! it was my fault, I've copied

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2011-06-10 Thread Miloslav Trmač
Hello, On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 2:06 AM, Sergio Belkin wrote: > ./configure LDFLAGS="-no-install" > configure:3659: gcc   -no-install conftest.c  >&5 > gcc: error: unrecognized option '-no-install' > Do you have any idea? -no-install, which the command explicitly includes, is a libtool option, b

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2011-06-10 Thread Sergio Belkin
2011/6/11 Miloslav Trmač : > Hello, > On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 2:06 AM, Sergio Belkin wrote: >> ./configure LDFLAGS="-no-install" > >> configure:3659: gcc   -no-install conftest.c  >&5 >> gcc: error: unrecognized option '-no-install' > >> Do you have any idea? > > -no-install, which the command ex