Re: Bugs in debuginfo packages

2011-02-27 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 09:28:10 +0100, Karel Klic wrote: > Is there something else that should be checked? Sometimes references to the source file dirname/filename are broken. One fix for all packages: debugedit: Include empty CU current directories https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_b

python3 port problem (codegen.py)

2011-02-27 Thread Paulo Cavalcanti
Hi, I have ported python-lirc to python3 http://orion.lcg.ufrj.br/RPMS/src/python-lirc-0.0.5-12.fc14.src.rpm and I would like to port also notify-pyhton. However, the makefile calls /usr/share/pygobject/2.0/codegen/codegen.py (from pygobject2-codegen) which is not python3 compliant. Is there

F15 Alpha impressions

2011-02-27 Thread Mike Chambers
Fonts or whatever don't seem to be as nice or full looking as other releases (F14 or below). When in a program (Evolution for example), it seems this is the only one I see in the task window/panel or whatever up top. I can't tell Firefox or anything is running, unleses I click on the Activities l

Re: F15 Alpha impressions

2011-02-27 Thread Michał Piotrowski
Hi, 2011/2/27 Mike Chambers : > Fonts or whatever don't seem to be as nice or full looking as other > releases (F14 or below). > > When in a program (Evolution for example), it seems this is the only one > I see in the task window/panel or whatever up top.  I can't tell Firefox > or anything is ru

Re: F15 Alpha impressions

2011-02-27 Thread Mike Chambers
On Sun, 2011-02-27 at 16:06 +0100, Michał Piotrowski wrote: > Have you tried to update to the latest branch version? Today I updated > system and Gnome doesn't start anymore. Anyone else have this problem? Yep, try removing the at-spi2* packages (it only removes bout 5 total or so) and see if tha

Re: F15 Alpha impressions

2011-02-27 Thread Dennis Jacobfeuerborn
On 02/27/2011 03:55 PM, Mike Chambers wrote: > Fonts or whatever don't seem to be as nice or full looking as other > releases (F14 or below). Yes the font rendering makes applications look significantly more ugly then under F14. That was the first thing I noticed after starting Firefox. > When i

Re: F15 Alpha impressions

2011-02-27 Thread Michał Piotrowski
2011/2/27 Mike Chambers : > On Sun, 2011-02-27 at 16:06 +0100, Michał Piotrowski wrote: > >> Have you tried to update to the latest branch version? Today I updated >> system and Gnome doesn't start anymore. Anyone else have this problem? > > Yep, try removing the at-spi2* packages (it only removes

Re: Services that can start by default policy feedback

2011-02-27 Thread Till Maas
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 07:00:20PM +, Matthew Garrett wrote: > On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 07:30:34PM +0100, Till Maas wrote: > > > The services that are started when the respective package is installed > > and the services that are enabled by default by the Fedora installer do > > not need to be

Re: F15 Alpha impressions

2011-02-27 Thread Christoph Frieben
2011/2/27 Michał Piotrowski: > Have you tried to update to the latest branch version? Today I updated > system and Gnome doesn't start anymore. Anyone else have this problem? You have to downgrade your system to accountsservice-libs-0.6.3-3.fc15 accountsservice-0.6.3-3.fc15 libcanberra-0.27-1.fc1

Re: F15 Alpha impressions

2011-02-27 Thread Michał Piotrowski
2011/2/27 Christoph Frieben : > 2011/2/27 Michał Piotrowski: >> Have you tried to update to the latest branch version? Today I updated >> system and Gnome doesn't start anymore. Anyone else have this problem? > > You have to downgrade your system to Thanks for the tip, I'll try it later > > accou

Re: F15 Alpha impressions

2011-02-27 Thread Mike Chambers
On Sun, 2011-02-27 at 16:20 +0100, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote: > On 02/27/2011 03:55 PM, Mike Chambers wrote: > > > > When in a program (Evolution for example), it seems this is the only one > > I see in the task window/panel or whatever up top. I can't tell Firefox > > or anything is running, u

Re: F15 Alpha impressions

2011-02-27 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 02/27/2011 09:55 AM, Mike Chambers wrote: > > I used to be able to hover my mouse over the time and at least it would > tell me the date instead of having to click on it just to see it. > try: $ gsettings set org.gnome.shell.clock show-date true -- Regards, OldFart -- devel mailing list d

Re: F15 Alpha impressions

2011-02-27 Thread Xose Vazquez Perez
Mike Chambers wrote: > Fonts or whatever don't seem to be as nice or full looking as other > releases (F14 or below). freetype-2.4.4-3.fc15 : * Sun Feb 20 2011 Marek Kasik 2.4.4-3 - Enable bytecode interpreter (#547532). - Fall back to autohinting if a TTF/OTF doesn't contain any bytecode. --

Re: F15 Alpha impressions

2011-02-27 Thread Mike Chambers
On Sun, 2011-02-27 at 11:23 -0500, Clyde E. Kunkel wrote: > On 02/27/2011 09:55 AM, Mike Chambers wrote: > > > > I used to be able to hover my mouse over the time and at least it would > > tell me the date instead of having to click on it just to see it. > > > > try: > > $ gsettings set org.gnom

Re: F15 Alpha impressions

2011-02-27 Thread drago01
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Mike Chambers wrote: > On Sun, 2011-02-27 at 16:20 +0100, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote: >> On 02/27/2011 03:55 PM, Mike Chambers wrote: >> > >> > When in a program (Evolution for example), it seems this is the only one >> > I see in the task window/panel or whatever

Re: F15 Alpha impressions

2011-02-27 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Sun, 27.02.11 16:37, Christoph Frieben (christoph.frie...@googlemail.com) wrote: > 2011/2/27 Michał Piotrowski: > > Have you tried to update to the latest branch version? Today I updated > > system and Gnome doesn't start anymore. Anyone else have this problem? > > You have to downgrade your

Re: F15 Alpha impressions

2011-02-27 Thread mike cloaked
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 2:55 PM, Mike Chambers wrote: > Fonts or whatever don't seem to be as nice or full looking as other > releases (F14 or below). > > When in a program (Evolution for example), it seems this is the only one > I see in the task window/panel or whatever up top.  I can't tell Fir

Re: F15 Alpha impressions

2011-02-27 Thread Michał Piotrowski
One impression - this version will be really feature rich :) https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FeatureList I wonder just why this feature https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/CloudFS fell from the list? -- Best regards, Michal http://eventhorizon.pl/ -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedorapro

Re: git repository with Fedora kernel(s) sources

2011-02-27 Thread Kyle McMartin
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 06:14:48PM +0300, Peter Lemenkov wrote: > Hello. > > I've got an interesting idea - why not to provide a git repository > with the sources of current Fedora kernel? This could simplify the > maintenance of patches, allows other to easily backport stuff from > kernel.org's m

Re: F15 Alpha impressions

2011-02-27 Thread Christoph Frieben
2011/2/27 Lennart Poettering: > libcanberra? What makes you think lc is involved here? > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=680605 ← that doesn't really > suggest any libcanberra involvement. You are correct, the cited workaround from bug 680605 was partially superfluous: downgrading -

Re: git repository with Fedora kernel(s) sources

2011-02-27 Thread Thomas Moschny
2011/2/27 Kyle McMartin : > Our workflow is an SRPM of patches, so that's what we work with. You really do that "by hand", without some sort of patch manager? -- Thomas Moschny -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

F14 smartctl - unable to complete smart test

2011-02-27 Thread Michał Piotrowski
Hi, This can be a hardware problem - hard to say. For some reason on one of the disks smart test is interrupted # 1 Extended offlineInterrupted (host reset) 90% 12489 - # 2 Extended offlineInterrupted (host reset) 90% 12484 - I see this in dmesg [ 43

Re: git repository with Fedora kernel(s) sources

2011-02-27 Thread Kyle McMartin
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 08:32:34AM -0800, Garrett Holmstrom wrote: > Fedora's patched kernel sources in a git repository and then include > kernel-2.6.38-1.1.fc15.tar.bz2 in the source RPM instead of vanilla > kernel-2.6.38.tar.bz2 and fifty patches. Red Hat appears to do this > with RHEL 6's k

Re: F15 Alpha impressions

2011-02-27 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Sun, 27.02.11 19:00, Christoph Frieben (christoph.frie...@googlemail.com) wrote: > 2011/2/27 Lennart Poettering: > > libcanberra? What makes you think lc is involved here? > > > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=680605 ← that doesn't really > > suggest any libcanberra involvement.

Re: F15 Alpha impressions

2011-02-27 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 18:52:36 +0100 Michał Piotrowski wrote: > One impression - this version will be really feature rich :) > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FeatureList > > I wonder just why this feature > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/CloudFS > fell from the list? See https://fedoraho

Re: F15 Alpha impressions

2011-02-27 Thread Genes MailLists
On 02/27/2011 10:20 AM, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote: > I think this is sort of intentional. If I understand the way this is > supposed to work correctly then you are not supposed to care if Firefox is > already running but instead simply click on it in your favorites and if an > instance is alr

Re: F15 Alpha impressions

2011-02-27 Thread Larry Vaden
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 12:42 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > > I have already reassigned it to gdm. The backtrace was generated in > gdm-simple-chooser code and hence should probably be fixed in gdm. Guten tag, Lennart. Please excuse me --- if intolerably poor netiquette, please hit DELETE now.

Re: F15 Alpha impressions

2011-02-27 Thread Michał Piotrowski
2011/2/27 Kevin Fenzi : > On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 18:52:36 +0100 > Michał Piotrowski wrote: > >> One impression - this version will be really feature rich :) >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FeatureList >> >> I wonder just why this feature >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/CloudFS >> fell fr

rawhide report: 20110227 changes

2011-02-27 Thread Rawhide Report
Compose started at Sun Feb 27 08:15:28 UTC 2011 Broken deps for x86_64 -- R-hdf5-1.6.9-10.fc15.x86_64 requires hdf5 = 0:1.8.5.patch1 audacious-plugin-xmp-3.3.0-6.fc15.x86_64 requires audacious(plugin-api) = 0:17 balsa

Re: F15 Alpha impressions

2011-02-27 Thread Aurimas Černius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, >> I think this is sort of intentional. If I understand the way this is >> supposed to work correctly then you are not supposed to care if Firefox is >> already running but instead simply click on it in your favorites and if an >> instance is a

Re: Services that can start by default policy feedback

2011-02-27 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 04:33:56PM +0100, Till Maas wrote: > On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 07:00:20PM +, Matthew Garrett wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 07:30:34PM +0100, Till Maas wrote: > > > > > The services that are started when the respective package is installed > > > and the services that

Re: Access rights for system logs

2011-02-27 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sat, 26 Feb 2011 10:44:05 +0100 Matthias Runge wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 02/25/11 17:21, Till Maas wrote: ...snip... > > I like a special group just for accounts that should be able to > > read all log files, too, e.g. a group logread. > > > > Regards

Re: Services that can start by default policy feedback

2011-02-27 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 12:23:59 + "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > Is it possible to get the rationality behind why those services which > are permitted to be enabled by default as specific exceptions are > granted that exception. Well, I think the rationale was "these are basic services that

Re: F15 Alpha impressions

2011-02-27 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 21:15:40 +0200, Aurimas wrote: > >> I think this is sort of intentional. If I understand the way this is > >> supposed to work correctly then you are not supposed to care if Firefox is > >> already running but instead simply click on it in your favorites and if an > >> insta

Re: git repository with Fedora kernel(s) sources

2011-02-27 Thread Jarod Wilson
On Feb 27, 2011, at 1:09 PM, Thomas Moschny wrote: > 2011/2/27 Kyle McMartin : >> Our workflow is an SRPM of patches, so that's what we work with. > > You really do that "by hand", without some sort of patch manager? The spec file and the fedora packaging scm *are* the patch manager. Seriously,

Re: F15 Alpha impressions

2011-02-27 Thread Genes MailLists
On 02/27/2011 02:41 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote: Rumor has it (coff coff) that gnome was infiltrated by kde developers trying to get their users back :-) :-) :-) -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: git repository with Fedora kernel(s) sources

2011-02-27 Thread Jarod Wilson
On Feb 27, 2011, at 1:19 PM, Kyle McMartin wrote: > On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 08:32:34AM -0800, Garrett Holmstrom wrote: >> Fedora's patched kernel sources in a git repository and then include >> kernel-2.6.38-1.1.fc15.tar.bz2 in the source RPM instead of vanilla >> kernel-2.6.38.tar.bz2 and fifty

Re: F15 Alpha impressions

2011-02-27 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Sun, 27.02.11 13:00, Larry Vaden (va...@texoma.net) wrote: > A n00b to Fedora (well, since F3 days, now testing F15 Alpha 2), I > want to file with BugZilla and notice you are involved with some of > the packages involved. Please direct questions like this to the fedora test list or a similar

[perl-CPAN-Meta-YAML] Created tag perl-CPAN-Meta-YAML-0.003-3.el5

2011-02-27 Thread Paul Howarth
The lightweight tag 'perl-CPAN-Meta-YAML-0.003-3.el5' was created pointing to: 71fa66d... Initial import (perl-CPAN-Meta-YAML-0.003-3) -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraprojec

Re: F15 Alpha impressions

2011-02-27 Thread drago01
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 8:41 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 21:15:40 +0200, Aurimas wrote: > >> >> I think this is sort of intentional. If I understand the way this is >> >> supposed to work correctly then you are not supposed to care if Firefox is >> >> already running but inst

Re: F15 Alpha impressions

2011-02-27 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 21:43:54 +0100, drago01 wrote: > >> Have you tried right-click? > > > > Right-click is flawed, as it doesn't offer to start the app if no instance > > of > > the app is running already: > > > >  http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2011-February/097333.html > > > > To

Re: F15 Alpha impressions

2011-02-27 Thread Christoph Frieben
2011/2/27 Michael Schwendt: > Btw, I think the GNOME 3 roll-out in Fedora should be "all or nothing", > that means, no *competing* fallback mode that tries to keep old panel > features alive. Currently, the suspend-resume cycle is broken even on mainstream hardware e.g. using the r300g driver. For

Re: F15 Alpha impressions

2011-02-27 Thread drago01
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 10:39 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 21:43:54 +0100, drago01 wrote: > >> >> Have you tried right-click? >> > >> > Right-click is flawed, as it doesn't offer to start the app if no instance >> > of >> > the app is running already: >> > >> >  http://lists.

Re: F15 Alpha impressions

2011-02-27 Thread drago01
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 10:59 PM, Christoph Frieben wrote: > 2011/2/27 Michael Schwendt: >> Btw, I think the GNOME 3 roll-out in Fedora should be "all or nothing", >> that means, no *competing* fallback mode that tries to keep old panel >> features alive. > > Currently, the suspend-resume cycle is

Re: Services that can start by default policy feedback

2011-02-27 Thread Till Maas
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 07:21:30PM +, Matthew Garrett wrote: > On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 04:33:56PM +0100, Till Maas wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 07:00:20PM +, Matthew Garrett wrote: > > > On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 07:30:34PM +0100, Till Maas wrote: > > > > > > > The services that are st

Re: F15 Alpha impressions

2011-02-27 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 23:03:02 +0100, drago01 wrote: > > Btw, I think the GNOME 3 roll-out in Fedora should be "all or nothing", > > that means, no *competing* fallback mode that tries to keep old panel > > features alive. > > Well the primary purpose of the fallback is to home something for > devi

Re: Access rights for system logs

2011-02-27 Thread Till Maas
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 12:30:43PM -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > Were you thinking of just /var/log/messages? or all log files? > Or all syslog written files? or ? > > If you are talking all log files, I would suggest making this into a > feature for f16, since it's going to require coordinating a

Re: Services that can start by default policy feedback

2011-02-27 Thread Ian Pilcher
On 02/27/2011 01:33 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > Ie, "If your package is not critical path, it should not start by > default. If it is, it _may_ start by default" +1 -- Ian Pilcher arequi

F-15 Branched report: 20110227 changes

2011-02-27 Thread Branched Report
Compose started at Sun Feb 27 13:15:37 UTC 2011 Broken deps for x86_64 -- Io-language-extras-20080330-4.fc15.x86_64 requires libevent-1.4.so.2()(64bit) balsa-2.4.9-3.fc15.x86_64 requires libgtkhtml-3.15.so.19()(64bit)

Re: Minimal install option (was Re: Services that can start by default policy feedback)

2011-02-27 Thread Peter Robinson
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 9:07 PM, Jesse Keating wrote: > On 2/25/11 12:51 PM, Chris Lumens wrote: This was the same realization that led to the removal of the labeled "minimal" install, too many people just wanted to argue over the meaning of the term "minimal". >>> >>> ? There's sti

Re: Which fonts should be pulled in by desktop environments as dependencies?!

2011-02-27 Thread Hedayat Vatankhah
/*Kevin Kofler */ wrote on 02/22/2011 6:49:00 PM +0350: > Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > >> Le Lun 21 février 2011 22:27, Hedayat Vatankhah a écrit : >>> Thanks for the answer. I also thought that it is reasonable, but wanted >>> to make sure before calling others for it. I just wonder if it is >>> pos

Re: F15 Alpha impressions

2011-02-27 Thread Dennis Jacobfeuerborn
On 02/27/2011 06:36 PM, drago01 wrote: I used to be able to hover my mouse over the time and at least it would tell me the date instead of having to click on it just to see it. >>> >>> I think the general problem here is that with the advent of tablet and >>> other touchscreen driven devi

Re: F14 smartctl - unable to complete smart test

2011-02-27 Thread J. Randall Owens
On 02/27/2011 11:10 AM, Michał Piotrowski wrote: > Hi, > > This can be a hardware problem - hard to say. For some reason on one > of the disks smart test is interrupted > > # 1 Extended offlineInterrupted (host reset) 90% 12489 - > # 2 Extended offlineInterrupted (host

Re: F14 smartctl - unable to complete smart test

2011-02-27 Thread J. Randall Owens
On 02/27/2011 07:30 PM, J. Randall Owens wrote: > On 02/27/2011 11:10 AM, Michał Piotrowski wrote: >> Hi, >> >> This can be a hardware problem - hard to say. For some reason on one >> of the disks smart test is interrupted >> >> # 1 Extended offlineInterrupted (host reset) 90% 12489

Re: Minimal install option (was Re: Services that can start by default policy feedback)

2011-02-27 Thread Larry Vaden
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 7:00 PM, Peter Robinson wrote: > > If it includes sendmail its not minimal enough ;-) >From a recent default install of F14: ps auxw | wc -l 124 Several of the BSDish distros achieve 30-50 as a minimal install. e.g., on RHEL. IMHO some thought should be given to the sec

Re: Minimal install option (was Re: Services that can start by default policy feedback)

2011-02-27 Thread Ian Pilcher
On 02/25/2011 03:07 PM, Jesse Keating wrote: > Heh, have we started getting bug reports about it not being minimal > enough or it being too minimal yet? Do you want them? ;-) -- Ian Pilcher

Re: F15 Alpha impressions

2011-02-27 Thread Christoph Frieben
2011/2/27 drago01: > In your case you should define "broken" and put that into bugzilla ... > which might end up being more productive than that post ;) A related bug report (#643700) has actually been around in Red Hat Bugzilla since last fall, thus your criticism is quite bold. I would actually

Re: F15 Alpha impressions

2011-02-27 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sun, 2011-02-27 at 23:18 +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 23:03:02 +0100, drago01 wrote: > > > > Btw, I think the GNOME 3 roll-out in Fedora should be "all or nothing", > > > that means, no *competing* fallback mode that tries to keep old panel > > > features alive. > > > >

Re: F15 Alpha impressions

2011-02-27 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sun, 2011-02-27 at 08:55 -0600, Mike Chambers wrote: > Fonts or whatever don't seem to be as nice or full looking as other > releases (F14 or below). > > When in a program (Evolution for example), it seems this is the only one > I see in the task window/panel or whatever up top. I can't tell F