Re: The new Update Acceptance Criteria are broken

2010-11-13 Thread Till Maas
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 01:14:12PM -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > No. The issue is that in the past sometimes security updates have been > rushed out with no testing and broken things badly. ;( > > See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Updates_Lessons > For some small number of examples (yes, anyone is

Re: The new Update Acceptance Criteria are broken

2010-11-13 Thread Till Maas
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 11:19:22AM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > Thanks for flagging this up. > > I'm wondering if perhaps we should devise a system - maybe a sub-group > of proventesters - to ensure timely testing of security updates. wdyt? I am not sure if a smaller group would help here. Bu

rawhide report: 20101113 changes

2010-11-13 Thread Rawhide Report
Compose started at Sat Nov 13 08:15:05 UTC 2010 Broken deps for x86_64 -- apcupsd-3.14.8-3.fc15.x86_64 requires libnetsnmp.so.20()(64bit) balsa-2.4.7-2.fc14.x86_64 requires libnotify.so.1()(64bit) beagle-0.3.9-19.fc14.

Re: Orphaning my packages

2010-11-13 Thread Johan Cwiklinski
Hello, Le 21/10/2010 21:12, Roozbeh Pournader a écrit : > pyfribidi I take this one that childsplay depends on. Regards, Johan -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-13 Thread Javier Jardón
2010/11/12 Kevin Fenzi : > * Can we finally remove hal? (xfce4.8 shouldn't need it anymore with >  any luck). > For the record, you can check the current status here: [1] Also, the tracker bug in GNOME bugzilla: [2] Regards [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/HalRemoval [2] https://bugzil

Confused with budhi: my package is pushed to stable, but resides in updates-testing!?!

2010-11-13 Thread Hedayat Vatankhah
Hi all, According to [1], my updated simspark package has been pushed to stable; but it is not! The package is available in updates-testing. I wonder if it is expected considering the new updating criteria or it is a bug. Anyway, it is confusing. What's happening? Finally a question: this updat

Re: The new Update Acceptance Criteria are broken

2010-11-13 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 10:21:30AM +0100, Till Maas wrote: > The documented issues do not seem to be as bad as a system being > exploited. It is only about dependency breakage or services not working > anymore. There is no major data corruption requiring access to backups > and restoring the whole

Re: The new Update Acceptance Criteria are broken

2010-11-13 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 11/12/2010 11:14 PM, Tom Lane wrote: > "Clyde E. Kunkel" writes: >> > The major packages that I work with have regression test suites, > which in fact get run as part of the RPM build sequence. It's not > apparent to me that I should need to invent some more tests. > I did not know that. G

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-13 Thread Owen Taylor
On Fri, 2010-11-12 at 18:07 -0500, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > Kevin Fenzi writes: > > > * gnome3 / gnome-shell default > > And what about systems with hardware that does not support accelerated 3D? There will be a fallback to gnome-panel, Metacity, and notification-daemon * The fallback componen

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-13 Thread Genes MailLists
On 11/13/2010 10:45 AM, Owen Taylor wrote: > On Fri, 2010-11-12 at 18:07 -0500, Sam Varshavchik wrote: >> Kevin Fenzi writes: >> >>> * gnome3 / gnome-shell default >> Does anyone happen to know how to mimic the equivalent of panel applets esp those which are not a part of fedora e.g. I use ma

Re: Confused with budhi: my package is pushed to stable, but resides in updates-testing!?!

2010-11-13 Thread Hedayat Vatankhah
/*Hedayat Vatankhah */ wrote on 11/13/2010 5:28:49 PM +0350: Hi all, According to [1], my updated simspark package has been pushed to stable; but it is not! The package is available in updates-testing. I wonder if it is expected considering the new updating criteria or it is a bug. Anyway,

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-13 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le jeudi 11 novembre 2010 à 21:05 -0500, Ding Yi Chen a écrit : > Well, actually input methods can do that. :-) > They know exactly what language you are typing, and some do basic > spelling check in the language they support. Sorry, but no. Appart from the well known stability problems, which m

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-13 Thread Hedayat Vatankhah
/*Kevin Fenzi */ wrote on 11/12/2010 8:05:54 PM +0350: Greetings. Fedora 14 was a pretty relaxing and stable release. I'm thinking that Fedora 15 may be much more exciting. ;) Things I know of so far: * systemd * gnome3 / gnome-shell default * removing a bunch of suid stuff in favor of capab

Retiring genesis

2010-11-13 Thread Andrea Musuruane
Hi all, I've read some months late the following announcement regarding genesis: https://launchpad.net/genesis-sync/+announcement/5958 Genesis is now strictly linked to Ubuntu development deprecating the system tray altogether and encouraging the use of application indicators. Moreover the foc

orphaning a bunch of packages

2010-11-13 Thread Ian Weller
Hi all, I haven't had the time to even look at these packages and keep them up to date, so I'm orphaning them. Please take them if they are important to you :) Many of these have either dead/slow upstreams, or I'm too dead/slow to update them in time. ezstream gnome-gmail-notifier irclog2html lo

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-13 Thread Pierre Carrier
On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 18:01, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > I despair of making *nix input people understand that LANGAGE ≠ INPUT > Please stop trying to derive one from the other, they are *distinct* and > one can (and often does) use a non-english layout to type English. It's > about as smart as try

Updates to static library packages

2010-11-13 Thread Siddhesh Poyarekar
Hi, I maintain LibRaw, which is only a static library -- upstream has rejected the idea of maintaining dynamic libs since they would have to take care of ABI compatibility across releases. I wanted to know if there are any other only-static libraries out there and how they maintainers manage rele

Re: orphaning a bunch of packages

2010-11-13 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 12:50:51 -0600, Ian Weller wrote: > > lordsawar I'll take this one, but help is welcome. It looks like it is uptodate now and upstream had a release this past summer. I am also interested in the topic. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.f

Re: Confused with budhi: my package is pushed to stable, but resides in updates-testing!?!

2010-11-13 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 20:50:07 +0330 Hedayat Vatankhah wrote: > > > /*Hedayat Vatankhah */ wrote on 11/13/2010 > 5:28:49 PM +0350: > > Hi all, > > According to [1], my updated simspark package has been pushed to > > stable; but it is not! The package is available in updates-testing. > > I wonde

Re: still a 2TB limit in F14 Anaconda, for LVM PV size

2010-11-13 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 09:28:06AM +0100, Hans de Goede wrote: > Boot the installer into rescue mode and run > parted /dev/ > > And in parted do: > mklabel gpt For VMs you can do: guestfish -a /dev/ run : part-init gpt (which destroys any data on /dev/), and then proceed with virt-install/what

Re: Updates to static library packages

2010-11-13 Thread Michel Alexandre Salim
Hi Siddhesh, On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 00:56:47 +0530, Siddhesh Poyarekar wrote: > I wanted to know if there are any other only-static libraries out there > and how they maintainers manage releases. I had packaged this to build > Shotwell 0.6.x but I understand there are a couple of other apps too > th

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-13 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 06:26:48PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > *DE could consider switching the default to use EXT4 directly without > LVM. [1] > 1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NoDefaultLVM The "Detailed Description" seems contradictory: | LVM provides very little benefit

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-13 Thread Michel Alexandre Salim
On Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:09:35 -0500, Josef Bacik wrote: > Another criteria I have for making it default is I want grub support, > specifically grub2. So until grub2 is in Fedora and we have btrfs > patches upstream in grub2 I have no intention of making it the default > in Fedora. Thanks, > That

Taking owernship of djvulibre (orphaned) in EPEL*

2010-11-13 Thread Pierre Carrier
Hello packagers, As djvulibre is (optionally, build-time choice) required by apvlv, which I am currently packaging ( http://pcarrier.fedorapeople.org/wip/apvlv/ ), I am taking ownership of the package in EPEL4,5,6. No bug reports related to EPEL ATM. Cheers, -- Pierre Carrier -- devel mailin

Taking owernship of sos (orphaned) in Fedora*

2010-11-13 Thread Pierre Carrier
Hello packagers, Taking ownership of sos in Fedora*. It appeared in EPEL4-5 in pkgdb. Retired as sos is part of the default install of RHEL 4.5- (sysreport), RHEL4.6+ (sosreport) and RHEL5 (sosreport) anyway. My signature should explain why I care about this package :) Cheers, -- Pierre Carr

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-13 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Sat, 13.11.10 23:41, Richard W.M. Jones (rjo...@redhat.com) wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 06:26:48PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > > *DE could consider switching the default to use EXT4 directly without > > LVM. [1] > > 1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NoDefaultLVM >

build rpm packages such as Redhat/Fedora

2010-11-13 Thread Christopher Stolzenberg
Hello Fedora Devel List, Im a newcomer with mock and rpmbuild. How can I rebuild el6 packages such as Redhat? My idea would be yum install mock useradd mockbuild usermod -G mock mockbuild mock rebuild -r epel-6-x86_64 /home/mockbuild/kernel-2.6.32-71.7.1.el6.src.rpm Is that right? Should I us

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-13 Thread Chris Jones
On Sun, 2010-11-14 at 01:14 +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote: > LVM actually slows down boot considerably. Not primarily because its > code was slow or anything, but simply because it isn't really written in > the way that things are expected to work these days. This is true and all. But it's easi

Re: Updates to static library packages

2010-11-13 Thread Rex Dieter
Michel Alexandre Salim wrote: > Incidentally, does anyone know how to keep track of which package lists > something as a *build* requirement? repoquery has --whatrequires and > --tree-whatrequires, and has an --srpm option that seems promising, but > does not seem to do the trick. Thanks to http:

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-13 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sun, 2010-11-14 at 10:56 +1000, Chris Jones wrote: > On Sun, 2010-11-14 at 01:14 +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote: > > > LVM actually slows down boot considerably. Not primarily because its > > code was slow or anything, but simply because it isn't really written in > > the way that things are e

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-13 Thread Dennis Jacobfeuerborn
On 11/14/2010 12:41 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 06:26:48PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: >> *DE could consider switching the default to use EXT4 directly without >> LVM. [1] >> 1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NoDefaultLVM > > The "Detailed Description"

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans (biosdevname)

2010-11-13 Thread Matt Domsch
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 09:35:54AM -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > Greetings. > > Fedora 14 was a pretty relaxing and stable release. I'm thinking that > Fedora 15 may be much more exciting. ;) biosdevname installed by default, used in the installer and at runtime to rename Dell and HP server onboa

Re: orphaning a bunch of packages

2010-11-13 Thread Matt Domsch
On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 12:50:51PM -0600, Ian Weller wrote: > Hi all, > > I haven't had the time to even look at these packages and keep them up > to date, so I'm orphaning them. Please take them if they are important > to you :) > > Many of these have either dead/slow upstreams, or I'm too dead/

Re: boot.fedoraproject.org default repo on installation

2010-11-13 Thread Matt Domsch
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 02:02:28PM +0100, Rudolf Kastl wrote: > Heyyas. I actually gave boot.fedoraproject.org a testrun and i > realized that by default a repository called "installation" is > selected with a static repo url. instead i have actually figured that > selecting the usual standard fedo

Re: orphaning a bunch of packages

2010-11-13 Thread Matt Domsch
On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 08:37:19PM -0600, Matt Domsch wrote: > On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 12:50:51PM -0600, Ian Weller wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I haven't had the time to even look at these packages and keep them up > > to date, so I'm orphaning them. Please take them if they are important > > to yo

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans (biosdevname)

2010-11-13 Thread Matt Domsch
On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 08:34:54PM -0600, Matt Domsch wrote: > On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 09:35:54AM -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > Greetings. > > > > Fedora 14 was a pretty relaxing and stable release. I'm thinking that > > Fedora 15 may be much more exciting. ;) > > biosdevname installed by defau

Re: The new Update Acceptance Criteria are broken

2010-11-13 Thread Matt McCutchen
On Sat, 2010-11-13 at 14:22 +, Matthew Garrett wrote: > On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 10:21:30AM +0100, Till Maas wrote: > > > The documented issues do not seem to be as bad as a system being > > exploited. It is only about dependency breakage or services not working > > anymore. There is no major d

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans (biosdevname)

2010-11-13 Thread John Reiser
On 11/13/2010 06:34 PM, Matt Domsch wrote: > biosdevname installed by default, used in the installer and at runtime > to rename Dell and HP server onboard NICs from non-deterministic > "ethX" to clearly labeled "lomX" matching the chassis silkscreen. > > http://marc.info/?l=linux-hotplug&m=1288925