Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-10-01 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 7:25 AM, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: > > It shouldn't be. Never be afraid of learning, even in the tightest of > situations. It is good for your brain. It helps with analytical > thinking. > > Once constant learning becomes part of your life, you really don't get > bothered with U

Need proventester karma for firstboot-1.113-4.fc14 (was: Re: bodhi v0.7.9 deployed)

2010-10-01 Thread Kevin Kofler
Adam Williamson wrote: > Again, you're extrapolating way too far from a single problem case. The > problem is simply that we have the xorg-x11-drivers metapackage which > requires every single X driver and is in the critpath. There's various > ways we could adjust this so it's no longer the case. I

Review request please (required for PackageKit)

2010-10-01 Thread Richard Hughes
Could someone please review this package please: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=631763 I need it as a dependency in the next version of PackageKit. I can bribe with beer if required. Thanks. Richard. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org

Re: Review request please (required for PackageKit)

2010-10-01 Thread Michal Schmidt
On Fri, 1 Oct 2010 12:47:50 +0100 Richard Hughes wrote: > Could someone please review this package please: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=631763 > > I need it as a dependency in the next version of PackageKit. I can > bribe with beer if required. Thanks. I've taken it for review. M

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-10-01 Thread Brandon Lozza
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 6:01 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > > On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 7:25 AM, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: >> >> It shouldn't be. Never be afraid of learning, even in the tightest of >> situations. It is good for your brain. It helps with analytical >> thinking. >> >> Once constant learning

Re: Need proventester karma for firstboot-1.113-4.fc14 (was: Re: bodhi v0.7.9 deployed)

2010-10-01 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Fri, Oct 01, 2010 at 12:36:13PM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > I CANNOT push the firstboot update which UNBREAKS those 2 spins because of > the update policy. So instead of preventing breakage, the policy CAUSES > breakage! How can it fail more spectacularly for you to finally realize it's > a

rawhide report: 20101001 changes

2010-10-01 Thread Rawhide Report
Compose started at Fri Oct 1 08:15:23 UTC 2010 Broken deps for x86_64 -- almanah-0.7.3-3.fc14.x86_64 requires libedataserverui-1.2.so.10()(64bit) antlr3-python-3.1.2-7.fc14.noarch requires python(abi) = 0:2.6 calibre-

Firewall settings unworkable

2010-10-01 Thread Tim Waugh
There are several protocols used for discovery of network services that currently cannot be made to work on Fedora simply due to the restrictive firewall we use by default. For example, a broadcast SNMP query to discover network printers is sent as a UDP packet from an unprivileged local port to S

Re: Firewall settings unworkable

2010-10-01 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Fri, Oct 01, 2010 at 02:00:46PM +0100, Tim Waugh wrote: > There are several protocols used for discovery of network services that > currently cannot be made to work on Fedora simply due to the restrictive > firewall we use by default. > > For example, a broadcast SNMP query to discover network

Re: Review request please (required for PackageKit)

2010-10-01 Thread Richard Hughes
On 1 October 2010 13:24, Michal Schmidt wrote: > I've taken it for review. Thanks dude. Richard. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-10-01 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 6:05 PM, Brandon Lozza wrote: > > The user has to tolerate some change. We can't cater to people who > never upgrade which seems to be what is taking place. Especially with > the fact that our end of life happens sooner, users must already > expect a constant stream of upda

[perl-Data-Visitor/el6/master] (7 commits) ...Update to latest version prior to RHEL6 GA

2010-10-01 Thread tremble
Summary of changes: 7c65fc2... Fix typo that causes a failure to update the common directo (*) 4c2c63f... - rebuild against perl 5.10.1 (*) c2d5831... - update to latest upstream version - BR perl(Moose), not p (*) 9a5da88... - Mass rebuild with perl-5.12.0 (*) ab46fbc... - update (*)

Re: Firewall settings unworkable

2010-10-01 Thread David Howells
The following works for UDP too: -A INCOMING -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT Leastways, I can do AFS through my firewall with it. David -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

[perl-Data-Visitor/el6/master: 7/7] Update to latest version prior to RHEL6 GA

2010-10-01 Thread tremble
commit ce1390740aa75fbc7ac9dfd08966a52757f6d112 Merge: 30e2103 ac4c26a Author: Mark Chappell Date: Fri Oct 1 16:07:35 2010 +0200 Update to latest version prior to RHEL6 GA .gitignore |2 +- perl-Data-Visitor.spec | 24 +--- sources|

Re: Firewall settings unworkable

2010-10-01 Thread Tim Waugh
On Fri, 2010-10-01 at 15:23 +0200, Tomasz Torcz wrote: > ZeroConf discovery (port 5353) is denied by default also :( But that can be enabled with a single checkbox ("Multicast DNS (mDNS)"), and that can also be done programmatically using system-config-firewall's D-Bus interface, such as it is.

Re: Firewall settings unworkable

2010-10-01 Thread Tim Waugh
On Fri, 2010-10-01 at 15:07 +0100, David Howells wrote: > The following works for UDP too: > > -A INCOMING -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT > > Leastways, I can do AFS through my firewall with it. Does that work for unicast replies to broadcast queries though? e.g. IP 10.1.

Re: Firewall settings unworkable

2010-10-01 Thread David Howells
Tim Waugh wrote: > Does that work for unicast replies to broadcast queries though? Good question; I don't know. netfil...@vger.kernel.org is probably the place to ask. David -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Need proventester karma for firstboot-1.113-4.fc14 (was: Re: bodhi v0.7.9 deployed)

2010-10-01 Thread James Laska
On Fri, 2010-10-01 at 12:36 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Adam Williamson wrote: > > Again, you're extrapolating way too far from a single problem case. The > > problem is simply that we have the xorg-x11-drivers metapackage which > > requires every single X driver and is in the critpath. There's va

Re: Firewall settings unworkable

2010-10-01 Thread Tim Waugh
On Fri, 2010-10-01 at 15:19 +0100, David Howells wrote: > Good question; I don't know. netfil...@vger.kernel.org is probably the place > to ask. I did ask about this issue on netfilter, last year (look for "SNMP conntrack module a la netbios_ns", Dec 4th 2009). That's where the idea for a genera

Need new package reviews for Banshee iPhone support

2010-10-01 Thread Nathaniel McCallum
gudev-sharp: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=639346 gkeyfile-sharp: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=639348 gio-sharp: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=639350 gtk-sharp-beans: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=639351 Thanks! Nathaniel -- devel mailing

openjpeg non-responsive maintainer

2010-10-01 Thread Rex Dieter
It's been since July, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=492218 ( and recently, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=579548#c12 ) and previously, https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-September/msg01223.html where Callum suggested dropping his maintainer duties (

F-14 Branched report: 20101001 changes

2010-10-01 Thread Branched Report
Compose started at Fri Oct 1 13:15:21 UTC 2010 Broken deps for x86_64 -- almanah-0.7.3-3.fc14.x86_64 requires libedataserverui-1.2.so.10()(64bit) antlr3-python-3.1.2-7.fc14.noarch requires python(abi) = 0:2.6 evolutio

Re: Need proventester karma for firstboot-1.113-4.fc14 (was: Re: bodhi v0.7.9 deployed)

2010-10-01 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Fri, 01 Oct 2010 12:36:13 +0200 Kevin Kofler wrote: > Adam Williamson wrote: > > Again, you're extrapolating way too far from a single problem case. > > The problem is simply that we have the xorg-x11-drivers metapackage > > which requires every single X driver and is in the critpath. > > Ther

Re: Need proventester karma for firstboot-1.113-4.fc14 (was: Re: bodhi v0.7.9 deployed)

2010-10-01 Thread Rex Dieter
James Laska wrote: > On Fri, 2010-10-01 at 12:36 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: >> Adam Williamson wrote: >> > Again, you're extrapolating way too far from a single problem case. The >> > problem is simply that we have the xorg-x11-drivers metapackage which >> > requires every single X driver and is i

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-10-01 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 6:01 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > > On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 7:25 AM, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: >> >> It shouldn't be. Never be afraid of learning, even in the tightest of >> situations. It is good for your brain. It helps with analytical >> thinking. >> >> Once constant learning

[Test-Announce] Please Help Test 389 Directory Server 1.2.6.1

2010-10-01 Thread Rich Megginson
389-ds-base-1.2.6.1-2 is now in Testing. This release fixes the crashing problems seen with Windows Sync, and fixes some other crashing problems usually seen with deletion operations. Please help us test. The sooner we can get this release tested, the sooner we can push it to Stable and make it g

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-10-01 Thread Bill Nottingham
Orcan Ogetbil (oget.fed...@gmail.com) said: > What I am trying to say is, a redesign of an interface _usually_ have > valid reasons. Those users who don't want their menu items moving > around want to live like automated machines. Forbidding such changes > promotes lazyness. > > If the update rem

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-10-01 Thread Chuck Anderson
On Fri, Oct 01, 2010 at 01:21:29PM -0400, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: > What I am trying to say is, a redesign of an interface _usually_ have > valid reasons. Those users who don't want their menu items moving > around want to live like automated machines. Forbidding such changes > promotes lazyness. > >

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-10-01 Thread Jesse Keating
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/1/10 10:41 AM, Chuck Anderson wrote: > How would you like it if you drove into work, parked your car, and > when you went out to your car at the end of the day to commute home > you found that the left-hand-drive changed to a right-hand-drive?

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-10-01 Thread Mark Chappell
On 1 October 2010 19:21, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: > What I am trying to say is, a redesign of an interface _usually_ have > valid reasons. Those users who don't want their menu items moving > around want to live like automated machines. Forbidding such changes > promotes lazyness. No, they don't want

rawhide buildtree broken with the newest perl

2010-10-01 Thread Mamoru Tasaka
Hello. Currently rawhide buildtree seems broken with the newest perl: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=2506686 http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/getfile?taskID=2506686&name=root.log DEBUG util.py:260: Error: Package: 4:perl-5.12.2-137.fc15.x86_64 (build) DEBUG util.py:260:

FAILED: BuildrootError: could not init mock buildroot

2010-10-01 Thread Neal Becker
FAILED: BuildrootError: could not init mock buildroot, mock exited with status 30; see root.log for more information http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=2506706 DEBUG util.py:260: Error: Package: 4:perl-5.12.2-137.fc15.x86_64 (build) DEBUG util.py:260: Requires: libp

Re: rawhide buildtree broken with the newest perl

2010-10-01 Thread Jesse Keating
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/1/10 11:11 AM, Mamoru Tasaka wrote: > Hello. > > Currently rawhide buildtree seems broken with the newest perl: > > http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=2506686 > http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/getfile?taskID=2506686&name=root

Re: FAILED: BuildrootError: could not init mock buildroot

2010-10-01 Thread Bill Nottingham
Neal Becker (ndbeck...@gmail.com) said: > FAILED: BuildrootError: could not init mock buildroot, mock exited with > status 30; see root.log for more information > > http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=2506706 > > DEBUG util.py:260: Error: Package: 4:perl-5.12.2-137.fc15.x86_64

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-10-01 Thread Gerald Henriksen
On Fri, 1 Oct 2010 08:35:45 -0400, you wrote: >The user has to tolerate some change. We can't cater to people who >never upgrade which seems to be what is taking place. Especially with >the fact that our end of life happens sooner, users must already >expect a constant stream of updates. Yes, ru

Re: FAILED: BuildrootError: could not init mock buildroot

2010-10-01 Thread Neal Becker
Bill Nottingham wrote: > Neal Becker (ndbeck...@gmail.com) said: >> FAILED: BuildrootError: could not init mock buildroot, mock exited with >> status 30; see root.log for more information >> >> http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=2506706 >> >> DEBUG util.py:260: Error: Package:

Re: FAILED: BuildrootError: could not init mock buildroot

2010-10-01 Thread Bill Nottingham
Neal Becker (ndbeck...@gmail.com) said: > Thanks, what should I do next? Wait for the build repo to regenerate and then resubmit. Bill -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-10-01 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Jesse Keating wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 10/1/10 10:41 AM, Chuck Anderson wrote: >> How would you like it if you drove into work, parked your car, and >> when you went out to your car at the end of the day to commute home >> you f

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-10-01 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Orcan Ogetbil (oget.fed...@gmail.com) said: >> What I am trying to say is, a redesign of an interface _usually_ have >> valid reasons. Those users who don't want their menu items moving >> around want to live like automated machines. Forbiddi

Re: Firewall settings unworkable

2010-10-01 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Fri, Oct 01, 2010 at 02:00:46PM +0100, Tim Waugh wrote: > In system-config-printer I try to get it to modify the firewall to allow > in the various network query responses that we expect, [...] I should note, although it's not your fault, that this breaks libvirt networking. libvirt needs to a

ssh agent issue

2010-10-01 Thread Mike McLean
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=626209 Reported against F13, but I've encountered it in F14 Beta. Seems like more folks ought to be impacted by this bug that seem to be, so I wonder what is going on here. Do less folks use ssh-add that I imagine, or is some factor limiting this bug? --

Re: ssh agent issue

2010-10-01 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Mike McLean wrote: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=626209 > Reported against F13, but I've encountered it in F14 Beta. > > Seems like more folks ought to be impacted by this bug that seem to > be, so I wonder what is going on here. Do less folks use s

Re: ssh agent issue

2010-10-01 Thread Genes MailLists
On 10/01/2010 04:44 PM, Mike McLean wrote: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=626209 > Reported against F13, but I've encountered it in F14 Beta. > > Seems like more folks ought to be impacted by this bug that seem to > be, so I wonder what is going on here. Do less folks use ssh-add th

Is this (broken keyboard layouts) a Fedora 14 Blocker bug?!

2010-10-01 Thread Hedayat Vatankhah
Hi, I've tried testing Fedora 14 Beta (RC3, but updated), and soon I come across this bug[1]. I could discover the initial cause and propose a fix (which, after reporting to freedesktop bugzilla, I found that is already fixed in xkbconfig git (but still should be pushed to F14)). Then, I came

Re: Need proventester karma for firstboot-1.113-4.fc14 (was: Re: bodhi v0.7.9 deployed)

2010-10-01 Thread Kevin Kofler
James Laska wrote: > In retrospect, if the three updates you list were in fact > interdependent, should they have been submitted and tested as a group to > avoid the current situation? Yes, of course. But it's not my fault that cwickert filed those 2 updates without the required matching firstboo

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-01 Thread Kevin Kofler
Takanori MATSUURA wrote: > For modules/libimg/png, mozilla products use aPNG which was rejected > by upstream. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/APNG > > So we have to use internal png. But this is against our packaging guidelines. There are only 2 solutions to this: a. apply the Debian patch which

Re: Need proventester karma for firstboot-1.113-4.fc14 (was: Re: bodhi v0.7.9 deployed)

2010-10-01 Thread Kevin Kofler
Matthew Garrett wrote: > "Some packages were pushed to stable before they should have been, > therefore we need to make it easier to push packages to stable"? Yes! Sure, this sounds paradoxical, but my premise is that NO MATTER how strict you make the requirement for pushes to stable, there will

Re: Need proventester karma for firstboot-1.113-4.fc14 (was: Re: bodhi v0.7.9 deployed)

2010-10-01 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Sat, Oct 02, 2010 at 12:45:14AM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Matthew Garrett wrote: > > "Some packages were pushed to stable before they should have been, > > therefore we need to make it easier to push packages to stable"? > > Yes! Sure, this sounds paradoxical, but my premise is that NO MATTE

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-01 Thread Kevin Kofler
Sven Lankes wrote: > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=577653 > > Looking at how rigorous new packages with bundled libs are fought we > should really stop shipping firefox and start shipping Iceweasel. +1 I really don't see why the Firefox stack keeps getting a free ride around our

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-01 Thread Kevin Kofler
Gregory Maxwell wrote: > I yelled pretty loudly when Fedora first packaged libvpx because > fedora took a _known vulnerable_ version which Mozilla and opera were > patching around but where the upstream hadn't yet merged the fixes. > > Things are more mature now but there are still somewhat scary

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-01 Thread Christopher Aillon
On 10/01/2010 03:49 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Takanori MATSUURA wrote: >> For modules/libimg/png, mozilla products use aPNG which was rejected >> by upstream. >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/APNG >> >> So we have to use internal png. > > But this is against our packaging guidelines. > > There are o

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-01 Thread Kevin Kofler
Christopher Aillon wrote: > I personally don't care what we call it. I'm not going to start > breaking funny cat videos You shouldn't break the videos, you should apply the Debian patch to use the system libvpx, then the videos will just work. > just to meet packaging ideals on a deadline. I'd

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-01 Thread Kevin Kofler
On Saturday 02 October 2010, Christopher Aillon wrote: > c. help create a real project out of http://littlesvr.ca/apng/ with > tarballs instead of just patchsets, possibly renaming it to something > else, and ship that so we can build against it. How is shipping a redundant copy of essentially the

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-01 Thread Kevin Kofler
Sven Lankes wrote: > I'm not worried too much about a library being system or not. What I'm > worried about is twofold: > > 1. Established packagers of high-profile packages get to do what they >want with fedora packages while small-scale packagers of low-profile >packages get told to bugg

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-10-01 Thread Tomas Mraz
On Fri, 2010-10-01 at 14:51 -0400, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: > On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: > > Orcan Ogetbil (oget.fed...@gmail.com) said: > >> What I am trying to say is, a redesign of an interface _usually_ have > >> valid reasons. Those users who don't want their menu item

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-10-01 Thread Chuck Anderson
On Fri, Oct 01, 2010 at 02:47:23PM -0400, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: > On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Jesse Keating wrote: > > On 10/1/10 10:41 AM, Chuck Anderson wrote: > >> How would you like it if you drove into work, parked your car, and > >> when you went out to your car at the end of the day to co

Re: Firewall settings unworkable

2010-10-01 Thread Dennis J.
On 10/01/2010 10:36 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Fri, Oct 01, 2010 at 02:00:46PM +0100, Tim Waugh wrote: >> In system-config-printer I try to get it to modify the firewall to allow >> in the various network query responses that we expect, [...] > > I should note, although it's not your fault,

F14 libgdl 2.31.x broken

2010-10-01 Thread Jim Hayward
Any application that uses libgdl on F14 segfaults on startup. I had to downgrade libgdl to 2.30.x in order to get applications using libgdl to work. Quoting from an upstream bug report filed against Anjuta for the same issue I'm seeing on F14 "Anyway, gdl 2.31.x is broken and gnome-2-32 will

[Test-Announce] 2010-10-01 - F14-Blocker meeting recap

2010-10-01 Thread James Laska
== #fedora-bugzappers: F14 Blocker Bug Review == Meeting started by jlaska at 16:00:07 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-bugzappers/2010-10-01/f-14-blocker-review.2010-10-01-1

Re: Is this (broken keyboard layouts) a Fedora 14 Blocker bug?!

2010-10-01 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le samedi 02 octobre 2010 à 01:52 +0330, Hedayat Vatankhah a écrit : > In brief, this bug will cause some keyboard layouts to be broken in F14, > which IMHO should not go in Fedora 14 Final. > I wonder if it can be qualified as a blocker bug. > [1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=638