On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 12:35 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> Alex Hudson wrote:
> > I think there's one thing missing: some discussion about the guiding
> > principles about where these rules came from.
>
> Well, there is the Boards vision that this came out of:
>
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/St
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 20:56:07 +0200,
drago01 wrote:
>
> Might be true but a random notice on some website / mailinglist /
> $whatever is NOT a fix. period.
If one decided to use a notification to mitigate a security issue, one would
put the notice where the affected people would be likely t
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 13:01:49 -0600,
Kevin Fenzi wrote:
>
> Right. Also, added to that is: Are the bug fixes worth shipping to
> millions of people? ie, do they fix bugs that Fedora users would/have
> encountered.
That's another gray area without much guidance currently. I think mostly
pac
On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 13:57:49 +0100, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 08:20 -0400, Brandon Lozza wrote:
>> That's why I propose an easy way to install additional repos. I can't
>> see a non tech savvy user installing the chromium browser on fedora, to
>> be brutally honest. It's annoy
On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 09:33:47 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 09:59:51 -0400,
> Al Dunsmuir wrote:
>>
>> If a second rawhide-specific staging repository (equivalent to
>> updates-testing, so call it rawhide-testing) was added with some
>> autoqa automation
On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 19:00:25 +0200, drago01 wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Richard W.M. Jones
> wrote:
>> On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 04:22:45PM +0100, Adam Williamson wrote:
>>> I guess I spend too much money on CPUs. Or don't work 'em hard enough.
>>> :P
>>
>> I've not noticed it either,
Michel Alexandre Salim wrote:
> One could always use a stable kernel in conjunction with Rawhide.
> Speaking of debugging info, are they still turned on for branched
> releases like F-14?
Yes. Not until the Final RC builds is debugging switched off. (IIRC)
Rawhide kernels or using a stable kernel
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 19:33:22 +,
Michel Alexandre Salim wrote:
>
> But branched releases stabilize sometime before the beta point is
> reached, which triggered off this huge discussion in the first place,
> because Postgresql 9.0 came out too late for inclusion.
But if you are trackin
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 14:45:03 -0500,
Michael Cronenworth wrote:
>
> Rawhide kernels or using a stable kernel w/ Rawhide are not valid
> options. Rawhide is rawhide - development of Fedora, not for production
> use. Period. You can't jazz it up no matter how hard you try (Looking at
> you
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 03:47:04PM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> I'd like to ask for feedback and helping cleaning up an updates policy
> draft page:
>
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft
>
> How can we clarify the language or the layout of the page to be more
> clear
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Arthur Pemberton writes:
> What exactly is the fear here with these updates? Are there many
> desktop users who do NOT want the latest released Firefox? Are there
> many people using Fedora as their OS for their database server?
I don't know about "many", but there is at least one organisation
w
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On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 12:38:50PM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 13:37:44 -0400
> Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
>
> > For (unreleased) F14, I think that the arugment that future work on
> > the package is better off starting with something that works than to
> > start off with somethin
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On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 22:21 +0200, Till Maas wrote:
> This here sounds strange:
> | The update rate for any given release should drop off over time,
> | approaching zero near release end-of-life; since updates are primarily
> | bugfixes, fewer and fewer should be needed over time.
>
> This essent
At the Fedora 14 Beta Go/No-Go meeting today, the Fedora 14 Beta was
declared GOLD and ready for release on September 28, 2010.
Thank you to everyone who made this on-time release possible!
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#fedora-meeting: Fedora 14 Beta Go/N
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=634561
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=449061&action=diff
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On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 03:31:39PM -0700, John Poelstra wrote:
> At the Fedora 14 Beta Go/No-Go meeting today, the Fedora 14 Beta was
> declared GOLD and ready for release on September 28, 2010.
is what's at rsync://mirrors.kernel.org/mirrors/fedora/development/14/
right now the beta tree, or i
On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 14:45 -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
> Michel Alexandre Salim wrote:
> > One could always use a stable kernel in conjunction with Rawhide.
> > Speaking of debugging info, are they still turned on for branched
> > releases like F-14?
>
> Yes. Not until the Final RC builds i
On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 18:51 -0400, Dave Jones wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 03:31:39PM -0700, John Poelstra wrote:
> > At the Fedora 14 Beta Go/No-Go meeting today, the Fedora 14 Beta was
> > declared GOLD and ready for release on September 28, 2010.
>
> is what's at rsync://mirrors.kernel.o
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 02:45:03PM -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
> I can see a big increase in boot time with my desktop setup when using a
> debugging kernel among other slow-downs. From 8 seconds (non-debug) at
> least double that. I use modern CPUs (quad core a minimum) with SSDs and
Michał Piotrowski wrote:
> 2010/9/21 Björn Persson :
> > How hard would it be to "cherry-pick" from this backports repository? To
> > install a newer Firefox from there for example, but keep the PostgreSQL
> > from the ordinary Fedora even if there is a newer one in the backports
> > repository, an
On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 19:33:22 + (UTC), you wrote:
>On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 09:33:47 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
>> That is what branched releases have. Running one of these still gets you
>> pretty up to date stuff, but a bit more protection from breakage.
>
>But branched releases stabilize somet
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 22:38:21 +0200,
Benny Amorsen wrote:
>
> I don't know about "many", but there is at least one organisation
> which runs production databases on Postgres on Fedora. People keep
> saying that "Fedora isn't for servers", but I just don't see why not.
Because it is more wor
Christopher Aillon wrote:
> On 08/25/2010 03:13 PM, Ben Boeckel wrote:
>> Christopher Aillon wrote:
>>> I missed the first notice of this go by, but I use zsh so can play with
>>> it in the next few days. Can you post the updates so I don't hit the
>>> same bugs you did?
>>
>> Sure. Attached. Th
Le mercredi 22 septembre 2010 à 21:30 -0400, Gerald Henriksen a écrit :
> After all Gnome 2.32 isn't released until later this month, and the
> beta releases have been included in Fedora 14 up to now.
Is that a good example ? Gnome has been broken one way or another in
Fedora 14 since branching p
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 04:45:30PM -0400, Adam Jackson wrote:
> On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 22:21 +0200, Till Maas wrote:
>
> > This here sounds strange:
> > | The update rate for any given release should drop off over time,
> > | approaching zero near release end-of-life; since updates are primarily
>
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