Re: systemd and changes

2010-08-23 Thread David Malcolm
On Mon, 2010-08-23 at 23:47 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Mon, 23.08.10 17:31, David Malcolm (dmalc...@redhat.com) wrote: > > > > > 20:07:05 nirik: hence F15, I think > > > > 20:07:11 nirik/adamw: I know lennart was working on a bugfix > > > >release of systemd todasy > >

Re: Fedora Notifications System.

2010-08-23 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Mon, 2010-08-23 at 13:14 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Mon, 2010-08-23 at 11:03 +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote: > > > Why isn't this idea merged into PackageKit and the rest of the update > > infrastructure, which should take care of important notifications to > > users? > > > > Or were you

Re: systemd and changes

2010-08-23 Thread Miloslav Trmač
Piscium píše v Po 23. 08. 2010 v 23:14 +0100: > It seems to me that it is mostly sysadmins that are concerned about > systemd. That is understandable, they are the group of users that will > be most affected by the new paradigm, and will have to learn new > tricks. > > Yet sysadmins are just a se

Re: Fedora Notifications System.

2010-08-23 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 08/24/2010 03:55 AM, Bastien Nocera wrote: > Right. So the problem is to not actually break PackageKit's notification > system, not to add blue tack and scotch tape on top of it. The proposed solution is not just for package update issues but for general announcements that are of importance to

Re: systemd and changes

2010-08-23 Thread Piscium
2010/8/23 Miloslav Trmač : > If non-sysadmins will hardly notice the new init system, shouldn't the > sysadmins, who will notice, be the primary consideration? > Mirek Not IMO. Sysadmins are just one group of stakeholders. My intervention was just to put things in perspective. However if a sysad

Re: systemd and changes

2010-08-23 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Mon, 23.08.10 17:04, Mike McGrath (mmcgr...@redhat.com) wrote: > > I am not sure what your problem with me or systemd is, but I'd prefer > > you dropped those personal attacks, or at least if you call me a > > pretender point me to where I supposedly "pretended" something. > > > > Also, given h

Re: systemd and changes

2010-08-23 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Mon, 23.08.10 18:24, David Malcolm (dmalc...@redhat.com) wrote: > With my former "QA architect" hat on: please do have a test day for > systemd, and try to cover a broad range of different uses and use cases: > with a change this deep, it's the things you're not expecting that cause > the "inte

Re: systemd and changes

2010-08-23 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 11:08:24PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Mon, 23.08.10 13:59, Jesse Keating (jkeat...@j2solutions.net) wrote: > > > On 8/23/10 1:17 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > > > I understand your desire to get your code out there in the real world. But > > > Fedora really can't a

Re: Python 3.2a1 in rawhide

2010-08-23 Thread David Malcolm
On Sun, 2010-08-22 at 14:50 -0400, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 04:31:08PM +0200, Thomas Spura wrote: > > On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 18:48:31 -0400 > > David Malcolm wrote: > > [snip] > > > > > > So you'll need to update the %files for python3 subpackages, listing > > > something lik

Re: Python 3.2a1 in rawhide

2010-08-23 Thread David Malcolm
On Sun, 2010-08-22 at 19:16 -0500, Jeffrey Ollie wrote: > On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 5:48 PM, David Malcolm wrote: > > I just built Python 3.2a1 into rawhide: > > http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=191382 > > so the meaning of "python3" in rawhide just jumped from Python 3.1 to >

Re: Python 3.2a1 in rawhide

2010-08-23 Thread David Malcolm
On Mon, 2010-08-23 at 11:51 +0200, Thomas Spura wrote: > On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 23:29:38 +0800 > Chen Lei wrote: > > > 2010/8/22 Thomas Spura : > > > On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 18:48:31 -0400 > > > David Malcolm wrote: > > > [snip] > > >> > > >> So you'll need to update the %files for python3 subpackages, >

Re: Why does X run as root?

2010-08-23 Thread Matt McCutchen
On Mon, 2010-08-23 at 13:16 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 09:24:42PM +0200, Till Maas wrote: > > > On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 06:49:33PM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: > > > > > I think "run X as user Xorg if you're on KMS" would be a fine > > > > > F15Feature to aim for. Ubun

systemd acceptance, packaging guidelines (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-23 Thread Bill Nottingham
(intentionally breaking thread) Toshio Kuratomi (a.bad...@gmail.com) said: > Maybe I should start a new thread since this isn't really a bug, but it is > a blocker -- we need to get some packaging guidelines out for systemd. > I think that the last message on the subject was this one: > > http:/

Package Review Stats for last week ending 22nd Aug

2010-08-23 Thread Rakesh Pandit
Top FAS account holder who has completed reviewing "Package review" components on bugzilla for last week ending 22nd August is Emmanuel Seyman. Emmanuel Seyman : 4 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=624339 perl-Lingua-PT-Stemmer https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.

Re: systemd acceptance, packaging guidelines (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-23 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 11:06:32PM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: > This, however, is just packaging guidelines. From readng the thread, there > are many things that I think people would like covered with systemd before > they would feel comfortable with it. So, I'm going to attempt to quantify > wh

Re: systemd and changes

2010-08-23 Thread Rudolf Kastl
2010/8/23 drago01 : > On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 11:22 PM, Mike McGrath wrote: >> On Mon, 23 Aug 2010, Bill Nottingham wrote: >> >>> Mike McGrath (mmcgr...@redhat.com) said: >>> > > My concern with this line of thinking is that you're asking us to >>> > > quantify >>> > > the unknown unknown, and de

Re: yum appmarket

2010-08-23 Thread Matt McCutchen
On Mon, 2010-08-23 at 08:12 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Roberto Ragusa wrote: > > Some more tags for "functionally comparable to" and the name of > > some well known programs for Windows or Macintosh would let > > people cope with the original names of Linux apps. > > > > Nero -> k3b, xcdroast >

Re: Testing zsh completion for fedpkg

2010-08-23 Thread Jesse Keating
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 7/30/10 9:34 PM, Ben Boeckel wrote: > I'd like to get some wider testing on it than what I subjected it to. > Constructive criticism welcome. > Did you ever get testing on this? - -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature! identi.ca: http

New fedpkg build coming to an update repo near you!

2010-08-23 Thread Jesse Keating
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I just submitted updates for el5 and f1{2,3,4} as well as a build for rawhide (f15) of a new fedpkg build. Here is a summary from the rpm: - - Error check the update call. #625679 - - Use the correct remote when listing revs - - Add the bash complet

[Test-Announce] Bugzappers meeting slot 2010-08-24

2010-08-23 Thread Adam Williamson
Hi, folks. There's a meeting slot tomorrow at the usual time, 2010-08-24 15:00 UTC. There's nothing new on the agenda page - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers:meeting-agenda-list - and I can't think of any particularly pressing topics, so we may not need to have a meeting. I'll be around in

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