spin development: how to trust an iso built outside the fedora build sys

2010-08-15 Thread David Timms
Hi there, I was wondering if there is any process that we (spin developers - music list) could use to confirm that a spin iso was 1. built with a particular kickstart file (or list of files when there is kickstart %include x directives). 2. hasn't been doctored on purpose eg by the person building

Re: Mailing list guidelines and smartphones

2010-08-15 Thread Mark Knoop
At 21:08 on 14 Aug 2010, Jesse Keating wrote: > Right, not very convenient at all. There is a bug open with K9, the > email client I'm using, to allow for bottom posting, but given how it > seem bottom posting is relegated to nerd lists anyway it may not > happen. Sadly the vast majority of the wo

Re: [Test-Announce] Call for testing: F14 Alpha RC3/RC4 with Radeon graphics adapters

2010-08-15 Thread Camilo Mesias
Hi, I have an ATI Mobility Radeon X300 based laptop (x86) and tried to boot the boot.iso by using livecd-iso-to-disk but the installer could not see the image (CD/DVD not present, other options NFS, local disk - not including the USB device, URL, etc) once the laptop booted from usb. It did not ma

rawhide report: 20100815 changes

2010-08-15 Thread Rawhide Report
Compose started at Sun Aug 15 08:15:08 UTC 2010 Broken deps for x86_64 -- Mayavi-3.3.0-1.fc13.x86_64 requires python(abi) = 0:2.6 Mayavi-3.3.0-1.fc13.x86_64 requires libpython2.6.so.1.0()(64bit) PragmARC-20060427-6.fc1

Re: Mailing list guidelines and smartphones

2010-08-15 Thread Andrew Clayton
On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 21:08:12 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 08/14/2010 08:50 PM, inode0 wrote: > > On Saturday, August 14, 2010, Jesse Keating > > wrote: > >> I'm still looking for an android email client that allows me to > >> place the repl

Upcoming Fedora 14 Linux Release

2010-08-15 Thread Mr. Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) of Singapore
Dear All, May I know whether the upcoming F14 release will include support for Xen pv-ops Dom0 kernel? Thank you very much. Yours sincerely, Mr. Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) Citizenship: Singapore Citizen/Singaporean Facebook account:http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=10750083982 Locatio

Re: Mailing list guidelines and smartphones

2010-08-15 Thread Jesse Keating
"Mark Knoop" wrote: > >1. Hit reply >2. Long-touch on the quoted text > Copy all >3. Long-touch on the message text > Paste >4. Touch the [X] above the quoted text to remove the original quoted Hey, that's not too bad. Thanks! -- Sent from my Android phone. Please excuse my brevity. -- devel

F-14 Branched report: 20100815 changes

2010-08-15 Thread Branched Report
Compose started at Sun Aug 15 13:15:29 UTC 2010 Broken deps for x86_64 -- CGAL-3.6.1-1.fc14.i686 requires libboost_thread-mt.so.1.41.0 CGAL-3.6.1-1.fc14.x86_64 requires libboost_thread-mt.so.1.41.0()(64bit) LuxRender-0

Re: Mailing list guidelines and smartphones

2010-08-15 Thread Adam Miller
On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 6:05 AM, Andrew Clayton wrote: > On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 21:08:12 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: > >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> On 08/14/2010 08:50 PM, inode0 wrote: >> > On Saturday, August 14, 2010, Jesse Keating >> > wrote: >> >> I'm still looking

Re: "Staying close to upstream"

2010-08-15 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 08:25:46PM -0700, Matt McCutchen wrote: > I am aware of that. But FESCo has the authority to override the > maintainer, and in their recent discussion of the SELinux patch, they > decided not to move forward on the basis of the trademarks: > > https://meetbot.fedoraprojec

Re: "Staying close to upstream"

2010-08-15 Thread Kevin Kofler
Matthew Garrett wrote: > We have the authority to do that, and the decision you're referring to > effectively *did* override the maintainer by saying that the selinux > policy change should be reverted. If a package is generally > well-maintained and then broken by a change introduced by another >

Re: spin development: how to trust an iso built outside the fedora build sys

2010-08-15 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 19:02:36 +1000, David Timms wrote: > > I was wondering if there is any process that we (spin developers - music > list) could use to confirm that a spin iso was > 1. built with a particular kickstart file (or list of files when there > is kickstart %include x directives)

Javascript JIT in web browsers

2010-08-15 Thread Matt McCutchen
On Sun, 2010-08-15 at 18:26 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > But the end effect is, we're allowing a web browser to disable memory > protection, exposing all users to a severe security risk from merely > browsing web sites. IMHO, the performance improvements in JavaScript aren't > worth that risk.

Re: Upcoming Fedora 14 Linux Release

2010-08-15 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sun, 15 Aug 2010 22:07:47 +0800 "Mr. Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) of Singapore" wrote: > Dear All, > > May I know whether the upcoming F14 release will include support for > Xen pv-ops Dom0 kernel? > > Thank you very much. No, I don't think so. There is an experemental dom0 kernel available

Re: Javascript JIT in web browsers

2010-08-15 Thread drago01
On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 9:45 PM, Matt McCutchen wrote: > On Sun, 2010-08-15 at 18:26 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: >> But the end effect is, we're allowing a web browser to disable memory >> protection, exposing all users to a severe security risk from merely >> browsing web sites. IMHO, the performa

Re: Javascript JIT in web browsers

2010-08-15 Thread Matt McCutchen
On Sun, 2010-08-15 at 22:41 +0200, drago01 wrote: > On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 9:45 PM, Matt McCutchen > wrote: > > On Sun, 2010-08-15 at 18:26 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > >> But the end effect is, we're allowing a web browser to disable memory > >> protection, exposing all users to a severe securi

Re: Javascript JIT in web browsers

2010-08-15 Thread drago01
On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 10:49 PM, Matt McCutchen wrote: > On Sun, 2010-08-15 at 22:41 +0200, drago01 wrote: >> On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 9:45 PM, Matt McCutchen >> wrote: >> > On Sun, 2010-08-15 at 18:26 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: >> >> But the end effect is, we're allowing a web browser to disabl

Re: Upcoming Fedora 14 Linux Release

2010-08-15 Thread M A Young
On Sun, 15 Aug 2010, Mr. Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) of Singapore wrote: > May I know whether the upcoming F14 release will include support for Xen > pv-ops Dom0 kernel? No. The Fedora policy isn't to include dom0 support until it makes it into the upstream kernel. Some pieces have made it into

Re: Javascript JIT in web browsers

2010-08-15 Thread Kevin Kofler
drago01 wrote: > The times where javascript is only used for some fancy effects are > long over ... welcome to 2010 ;) Some web sites are indeed abusing JavaScript. Why should we promote this behavior? It is a vehicle for proprietary software, where people often aren't even aware they're using n

Re: Javascript JIT in web browsers

2010-08-15 Thread Matt McCutchen
On Mon, 2010-08-16 at 01:15 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Some web sites are indeed abusing JavaScript. > A web site is > not and should not be an application, an application is not and should not > be a web site. Just because you said so? Web applications bring enormous practical benefits to t

Re: Javascript JIT in web browsers

2010-08-15 Thread Kevin Kofler
Matt McCutchen wrote: > If you use a non-free web site, you have already lost the freedom to > read, distribute, and modify the code you are relying on > (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/who-does-that-server-really-serve.html). > I fail to see how running the site's non-free JavaScript for the sole >

Re: Javascript JIT in web browsers

2010-08-15 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 16:44:29 -0700, Matt McCutchen wrote: > On Mon, 2010-08-16 at 01:15 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > Some web sites are indeed abusing JavaScript. > > > A web site is > > not and should not be an application, an application is not and should not > > be a web site. > > J

Re: Javascript JIT in web browsers

2010-08-15 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 8:31 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 16:44:29 -0700, >  Matt McCutchen wrote: >> On Mon, 2010-08-16 at 01:15 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: >> > Some web sites are indeed abusing JavaScript. >> >> > A web site is >> > not and should not be an application,

Re: New bodhi release in production

2010-08-15 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 13:09, List Troll wrote: > On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 8:05 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: >> Martin Sourada wrote: >>> I still remember the epic fail of having KDE 4.0 in stable fedora >> >> * I still think the KDE 4.0.3 we shipped in F9 wasn't that bad. We fixed all >> the showstop

Re: Upcoming Fedora 14 Linux Release

2010-08-15 Thread Mr. Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) of Singapore
Dear M A Young, Thank you for your prompt reply and updates. I will stick to Fedora 11 at the moment until Fedora 16 or later. Thank you very much. Yours sincerely, Mr. Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) Citizenship: Singapore Citizen/Singaporean Facebook account:http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id

Re: Upcoming Fedora 14 Linux Release

2010-08-15 Thread Mr. Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) of Singapore
Dear Kevin Fenzi, Michael Young has already replied. Thank you very much. Yours sincerely, Mr. Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) Citizenship: Singapore Citizen/Singaporean Facebook account:http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=10750083982 Location: Bedok Reservoir Road, Singapore 470103 My Open L

Re: Upcoming Fedora 14 Linux Release

2010-08-15 Thread Kevin Kofler
Mr. Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) of Singapore wrote: > I will stick to Fedora 11 at the moment until Fedora 16 or later. Uh, Fedora 11 is not supported anymore and it also never had a Xen Dom0 kernel, pvops or otherwise. The last Fedora release to ship a Xen Dom0 kernel was Fedora 8, and that was

Re: Upcoming Fedora 14 Linux Release

2010-08-15 Thread Mr. Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) of Singapore
Dear Kevin Kofler, You may wish to check out my Youtube videos at http://www.youtube.com/user/enmingteo for my Xen pv-ops Dom0 kernels and also VGA passthrough which were implemented in my Fedora 11 x86_64 home multimedia desktop tower system (at the time of this writing, there are 20 uploaded