On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 9:35 PM, Mike McGrath wrote:
>
> I was pretty clear in everything you cut off about the whole "You know
> what people need, they need this"
Well Lennart's post basically boils down to:
* Boot faster
* Have the init system be more flexible and powerful
If your concern is
Lennart Poettering writes:
On Wed, 21.07.10 20:08, Toshio Kuratomi (a.bad...@gmail.com) wrote:
Normally, we don't want a service to be started just because the package has
been installed:
Yepp, which is why I said "very low-level ones", i.e. as low-level as
for example udev, which you reall
On Thu, 2010-07-22 at 04:25 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> On Thu, 22.07.10 12:06, Dave Airlie (airl...@redhat.com) wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > >
> > > It is needed:
> > >
> > > if [ $1 -eq 1 ] ; then
> > > # For new installations, hook unit file into the appropriate
> > > places via sym
Lennart Poettering píše v Čt 22. 07. 2010 v 04:11 +0200:
> Or to put this differently: launchd is in fact one great invention. It
> is a design an engineer up with, not a user/admin. And there's a reason
> for that. That's not to say the user/admin is dumb or anything, but the
> technical possibil
On Wed, 21.07.10 22:13, Chuck Anderson (c...@wpi.edu) wrote:
>
> On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 03:49:21AM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> > The logic behind chkconfig is exposed in many ways in the user
> > interface, for example in the chkconfig command line, e.g.
> > commands such as "resetpriorit
On Wed, 21.07.10 22:34, Sam Varshavchik (mr...@courier-mta.com) wrote:
> Or, when Anaconda is in the middle of updating a system from a
> previous version of Fedora.
>
> Existing udev rules in /lib/udev/rules.d may result in udev
> attempting to execute commands or scripts that have not yet been
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 10:28:32PM -0400, Colin Walters wrote:
> Well Lennart's post basically boils down to:
> * Boot faster
I don't need my systems to boot any faster. Or rather, I would like them to,
but the majority of the time is spent in the bios boot sequence already as
disks come online an
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 03:49:21AM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> > So, um. This is not so awesome, because for logged output, the multi-line
> > format makes it hard to parse. And for human-readable output, it's got the
> > opposite problem: it's more than 80 columns, and it's very verbose,
>
On Wed, 21.07.10 23:00, Matthew Miller (mat...@mattdm.org) wrote:
> My laptop already boots fast enough already, although I guess if it can be
> improved even further with minimal disruption, why not. I don't see it as
> worth a lot of pain, though -- not because I don't use my laptop a lot, but
>
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 12:36:34PM +1000, Dave Airlie wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-07-22 at 04:25 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> > i.e. the "enable"/"disable" commands makes some changes for the next
> > time they are looked at, and then adding --realize on top makes those
> > changes take effect imme
On Wed, 2010-07-21 at 22:13 -0400, Chuck Anderson wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 03:49:21AM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> > The logic behind chkconfig is exposed in many ways in the user
> > interface, for example in the chkconfig command line, e.g.
> > commands such as "resetpriorities", an
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 05:25:19AM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> Now, after discussing this over 2years with many folks and reading up on
> launchd and SMF and the opinions on the net, we then distilled of the
> requests a set of good features we wanted to implement. Some of those
That is int
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 5:55 PM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
> I will forego the bikeshedding and say it should be sysconfig or
> syssetup but I do believe it will cause a lot of complaints.
sys-armyknife
system-get-me-a-beer
More seriously systemctl has been bantered around on this list
alread
On 07/21/2010 09:36 PM, Dave Airlie wrote:
>> Well, I am not a native speaker. We were looking for a verb that
>> > basically means "make this take effect immediately".
>> >
>> > i.e. the "enable"/"disable" commands makes some changes for the next
>> > time they are looked at, and then adding --
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I've created a 'new' src.rpm and .spec and submitted them for review at:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=617056
The current conflicts with gnupg2 are:
file /usr/bin/gpg-zip from install of gnupg-1.4.10-2.fc13.x86_64
conflicts with file f
On Tue, 2010-07-20 at 20:02 -0400, David Malcolm wrote:
> I'm planning to do a partial mass-rebuild for Python 2.7.
>
> This would cover all Python 2 users within the distribution, roughly
> 1000 src.rpms.
>
> Some notes can be seen at:
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Python_2.7/MassReb
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 10:00 PM, David Malcolm wrote:
> - numpy is segfaulting during %check; am waiting on a gdb build to
> finish (linked against 2.7) before I debug; this blocks pygtk2 which
> blocks various things
Sigh... of course it does. Since numpy pretty much blocks all the
packages im
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 10:54:32AM -0500, Dennis Gilmore wrote:
> right now a glibc build is going on that has --enablekernel=2.6.32
>
> from Jakub
>
> Bumping that from 2.6.18 used currently means e.g. to get rid of compat
> bloat for private futexes, utimensat, fallocate, O_CLOEXEC/pipe2 etc. (
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 09:48:04AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> Hi, Gerard. I just realized I need a newer build of Unison - 2.32 - to
> sync with a machine running a different distro. I see from the -devel
> archives that you currently don't have enough time to maintain your
> packages.
Can yo
Richard W.M. Jones wrote, at 07/22/2010 03:45 PM +9:00:
> On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 10:54:32AM -0500, Dennis Gilmore wrote:
>> right now a glibc build is going on that has --enablekernel=2.6.32
>>
>> from Jakub
>>
>> Bumping that from 2.6.18 used currently means e.g. to get rid of compat
>> bloat for
Jeff Spaleta wrote, at 07/22/2010 03:11 PM +9:00:
> On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 10:00 PM, David Malcolm wrote:
>> - numpy is segfaulting during %check; am waiting on a gdb build to
>> finish (linked against 2.7) before I debug; this blocks pygtk2 which
>> blocks various things
>
> Sigh... of course it
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