Re: Retire glib and gtk+ 1.2 from rawhide?

2010-05-10 Thread Chen Lei
2010/5/10 Orcan Ogetbil > > Yeah that is one of the only two swami commits in the last 2 years. > > Anyway, do we have a Fedora policy to remove software just because > they are old and unmaintained upstream? If there is a happy userbase > and a maintainer willing to take care of the package, wha

Re: Retire glib and gtk+ 1.2 from rawhide?

2010-05-10 Thread Ryan Rix
On Sun 9 May 2010 11:31:21 pm Michael Cronenworth wrote: > On 05/10/2010 01:23 AM, Léon Keijser wrote: > > I still use an old nethack-like game that unfortunately depends on gtk > > 1.2. Since i'll never be able to get it into Fedora, i just install gtk > > myself then i'm good to go again. I woul

Re: Retire glib and gtk+ 1.2 from rawhide?

2010-05-10 Thread Ryan Rix
On Mon 10 May 2010 12:01:01 am Chen Lei wrote: > Considering fedora 13 just remove ppc arch to secondary arch, it's > meaningful for fedora to retire some long dead upstream packages as well. > Maybe it's suitable to retire gtk 1.2 in F14 or F15, then remove it to > rpmfusion for a compatible reaso

Re: Retire glib and gtk+ 1.2 from rawhide?

2010-05-10 Thread Chen Lei
2010/5/10 Ryan Rix > On Sun 9 May 2010 11:31:21 pm Michael Cronenworth wrote: > > On 05/10/2010 01:23 AM, Léon Keijser wrote: > > > I still use an old nethack-like game that unfortunately depends on gtk > > > 1.2. Since i'll never be able to get it into Fedora, i just install > gtk > > > myself

Re: chrony as default NTP client?

2010-05-10 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
On Sunday 09 May 2010 19:13:57 Kevin Kofler wrote: > Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > > I think it would be better to drop ntp support completely from s-c-d once > > chrony becomes default in Fedora. We aim to support default Fedora > > configuration tools. Radek Novacek is now working on date/time DBus >

Re: Outdated Wine versions in koji?

2010-05-10 Thread Zoltan Boszormenyi
Andreas Bierfert írta: > On Sat, 2010-05-08 at 12:20 +0200, drago01 wrote: > >> 2010/5/8 Zoltan Boszormenyi : >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> the latest version of Wine found in koji is 1.1.38, which was released >>> in february this year. The latest mainstream Wine is 1.1.44. >>> >>> Why isn't there a

Re: chrony as default NTP client?

2010-05-10 Thread Yaakov M. Nemoy
On Sun, May 09, 2010 at 01:15:03PM -0700, Ryan Rix wrote: > I find that having NTP enabled in most cases for mobile systems is simply > unnecessary; there is a large (I would say upwards of 95% in my most > unscientific guessings) chance that these users aren't going to be doing > anything which

Re: How this bug can come out of its dead-end? Any suggestions?!

2010-05-10 Thread Andrew Haley
On 05/09/2010 02:28 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: > On 09/05/10 13:34, Hedayat Vatankhah wrote: >> If you have not see this at all, I've seen this frequently. Fedora >> sucks in this area for many years. I've seen it, so whatever >> arguments you bring; I KNOW that this bug IS very important and >> shou

DVD as repo was Re: How this bug can come out of its dead-end? Any suggestions?!

2010-05-10 Thread Frank Murphy
On 10/05/10 10:08, Andrew Haley wrote: --snip-- > > This is a bad argument IMO. Many users are advanced in some areas, > but not others. The whole idea that "Fedora is a distro for advanced > users therefore it should be hard to use" is absurd. How is it hard to use? excl. patented stuff. I c

Re: Reasons for hall monitoring

2010-05-10 Thread Matěj Cepl
Dne 10.5.2010 06:54, Ralf Corsepius napsal(a): > Have you ever talked to Ubuntu/openSUSE users and listened to their > replies when telling them you are using Fedora? > > You will hear answers along the line of too much inconvenience to get > multimedia working, too unstable (in the sense of low MT

Re: Reasons for hall monitoring

2010-05-10 Thread drago01
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Matěj Cepl wrote: > Dne 10.5.2010 06:54, Ralf Corsepius napsal(a): >> Have you ever talked to Ubuntu/openSUSE users and listened to their >> replies when telling them you are using Fedora? >> >> You will hear answers along the line of too much inconvenience to get

Re: Reasons for hall monitoring

2010-05-10 Thread Matěj Cepl
Dne 10.5.2010 11:26, drago01 napsal(a): > To have stuff just work. Go to http://senate.gov/ and ask your congressman to fix it. Otherwise (for example if you don't have your congressman because you are not a U.S. citizen), you can also try to move Red Hat's headquarters outside of U.S. (althoug

Re: Reasons for hall monitoring

2010-05-10 Thread drago01
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Matěj Cepl wrote: > Dne 10.5.2010 11:26, drago01 napsal(a): >> To have stuff just work. > > Go to http://senate.gov/ and ask your congressman to fix it. Otherwise > (for example if you don't have your congressman because you are not a > U.S. citizen), you can also

Re: Reasons for hall monitoring

2010-05-10 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 05/10/2010 11:18 AM, Matěj Cepl wrote: > Dne 10.5.2010 06:54, Ralf Corsepius napsal(a): >> Have you ever talked to Ubuntu/openSUSE users and listened to their >> replies when telling them you are using Fedora? >> >> You will hear answers along the line of too much inconvenience to get >> multime

Re: Reasons for hall monitoring

2010-05-10 Thread Matěj Cepl
Dne 10.5.2010 11:35, drago01 napsal(a): > I didn't say that we can fix it; just that it *is* easier in other > distributions. Which don't have principal headquarters of their sponsor in US (but on the Isle of Man, which was chosen exactly because of its lax legal and especially tax, true, regime

Re: DVD as repo was Re: How this bug can come out of its dead-end? Any suggestions?!

2010-05-10 Thread Andrew Haley
On 05/10/2010 10:16 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: > On 10/05/10 10:08, Andrew Haley wrote: > --snip-- >> >> This is a bad argument IMO. Many users are advanced in some areas, >> but not others. The whole idea that "Fedora is a distro for advanced >> users therefore it should be hard to use" is absurd.

Re: chrony as default NTP client?

2010-05-10 Thread Miroslav Lichvar
On Sun, May 09, 2010 at 11:45:49AM -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 7:35 AM, Miroslav Lichvar wrote: > > With the latest improvements in the chrony package related to > > NetworkManager and name resolving I think it is now good enough to > > replace ntpd in the default c

Re: DVD as repo was Re: How this bug can come out of its dead-end? Any suggestions?!

2010-05-10 Thread Frank Murphy
On 10/05/10 10:54, Andrew Haley wrote: > On 05/10/2010 10:16 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: --snip-- >> >> Look earlier in the thread, >> how to mount a DVD as a repo has been demonstrated. > > Yes, it has. And it's more difficult that installing from the repos. > Which was my point. > > Andrew. But t

Re: Retire glib and gtk+ 1.2 from rawhide?

2010-05-10 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Mon, 10 May 2010 02:09:45 -0400, Orcan wrote: > On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 1:27 AM, Chen Lei wrote: > > > > As I mentoned below, some packges need update to the > > lastest release badly to get rid of gtk+ 1.2. And some packages can safely > > retire from fedora, e.g. xmms. > > > > At that point

Realtek 8192se on F12/F13

2010-05-10 Thread Jos Vos
Hi, What is the status of support for the Realtek 8192se WiFi controller in F12 and F13? I see in some wiki page a reference to the Realtek website, at least for (stock) F12. Is this chipset in the meantime supported in the F12 kernel and/or will it be supported in F13? Thanks, -- --Jos Vo

Re: chrony as default NTP client?

2010-05-10 Thread Stefan Schulze Frielinghaus
On So, 2010-05-09 at 11:45 -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: [...] > 1) Why chrony? Why not OpenNTPD [fill in the blank here] Dunno if this is important for this discussion but the portable version of OpenNTPD is stuck. The last portable version was made available in May 2006 while the OpenBSD ve

Re: Reasons for hall monitoring

2010-05-10 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2010-05-10 at 11:33 +0200, Matěj Cepl wrote: > Dne 10.5.2010 11:26, drago01 napsal(a): > > To have stuff just work. > > Go to http://senate.gov/ and ask your congressman to fix it. Otherwise > (for example if you don't have your congressman because you are not a > U.S. citizen), you can

Re: Retire glib and gtk+ 1.2 from rawhide?

2010-05-10 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 6:23 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Mon, 10 May 2010 02:09:45 -0400, Orcan wrote: > >> On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 1:27 AM, Chen Lei wrote: >> > >> > As I mentoned below, some packges need update to the >> > lastest release badly to get rid of gtk+ 1.2. And some packages can s

Re: Realtek 8192se on F12/F13

2010-05-10 Thread Xose Vazquez Perez
On 05/10/2010 12:38 PM, Jos Vos wrote: > What is the status of support for the Realtek 8192se WiFi > controller in F12 and F13? staging drivers are out of Fedora kernel, only crystalhd is included. see http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/rtl819x -- «Allá muevan feroz guerra, ciegos reyes

Login problem after yum update

2010-05-10 Thread P J P
Hi, After I did yum update today morning(May 10'Th), I'm facing a weird login problem. None of the authentications - gdm login, su - user, or ssh from a remote host etc. are being resolved. Even passwd(1) segfaluts while changing password. I just can't login to the machine, in any way. did

Re: DVD as repo was Re: How this bug can come out of its dead-end? Any suggestions?!

2010-05-10 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/10/2010 02:46 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: > Look earlier in the thread, > how to mount a DVD as a repo has been demonstrated. > > All it takes is adding method to wiki. > "How to use DVD\CD as repo > Frank, We are trying to make the process easier by making it a click through process. It do

Re: Login problem after yum update

2010-05-10 Thread David Woodhouse
On Mon, 2010-05-10 at 16:25 +0530, P J P wrote: > > Updated nss-softokn-3.12.4-15.fc12.i686 > Update 3.12.4-17.fc12.i686 > Updated nss-softokn-devel-3.12.4-15.fc12.i686 > Update 3.12.4-17.fc12.i686 > Updated nss-softokn-f

Re: DVD as repo was Re: How this bug can come out of its dead-end? Any suggestions?!

2010-05-10 Thread Frank Murphy
On 10/05/10 12:10, Rahul Sundaram wrote: --snip-- >> All it takes is adding method to wiki. >> "How to use DVD\CD as repo >> > > Frank, > > We are trying to make the process easier by making it a click through > process. It doesn't help if you insist that it can be done manually. > Everyone

Re: Reasons for hall monitoring

2010-05-10 Thread Matěj Cepl
Dne 10.5.2010 12:48, Adam Williamson napsal(a): > That's the wrong argument. We all know why we _can't_ make it just work, > but that doesn't excuse us. Sorry to take a well-worn analogy, but if > two guys are trying to sell you cars, and one doesn't have an engine, > would the fact that the guy se

Re: DVD as repo was Re: How this bug can come out of its dead-end? Any suggestions?!

2010-05-10 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/10/2010 04:48 PM, Frank Murphy wrote > Hi Rahul, > Check my reply from 11:04 > http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2010-May/135944.html > Should work for F13+ > even for new users. > What you describe is not as easy as enabling any other repository and there is no reason it sho

orphaning Calibre

2010-05-10 Thread Ionuț C. Arțăriși
Hello, I don't have the time to maintain calibre any more so I'm orphaning it. I fell behind on bugzilla, too. Beware, it requires a lot of love. Upstream moves very fast. Releases happen weekly and there are always new features and sometimes new bundled libs (yeah...). Whoever picks this up

Re: DVD as repo was Re: How this bug can come out of its dead-end? Any suggestions?!

2010-05-10 Thread Frank Murphy
On 10/05/10 12:25, Rahul Sundaram wrote: --snip-- >> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2010-May/135944.html >> Should work for F13+ >> even for new users. >> > > What you describe is not as easy as enabling any other repository How is it not as easy? fedora-release*rpm contains re

Re: Reasons for hall monitoring

2010-05-10 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2010-05-10 at 13:21 +0200, Matěj Cepl wrote: > Dne 10.5.2010 12:48, Adam Williamson napsal(a): > > That's the wrong argument. We all know why we _can't_ make it just work, > > but that doesn't excuse us. Sorry to take a well-worn analogy, but if > > two guys are trying to sell you cars, and

Re: DVD as repo was Re: How this bug can come out of its dead-end? Any suggestions?!

2010-05-10 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/10/2010 05:06 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: > On 10/05/10 12:25, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > --snip-- > >>> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2010-May/135944.html >>> Should work for F13+ >>> even for new users. >>> >>> >> What you describe is not as easy as enabling any other

Re: DVD as repo was Re: How this bug can come out of its dead-end? Any suggestions?!

2010-05-10 Thread Frank Murphy
On 10/05/10 12:48, Rahul Sundaram wrote: --snipp-- >>> >> How is it not as easy? >> > > It is not a click through process. > > Rahul How can you not click if it shows up in gnome-packagekit-extra? (admin/software/sources) Will not the packages be availabel in add\remove? They are on my

Re: Retire glib and gtk+ 1.2 from rawhide?

2010-05-10 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Mon, 10 May 2010 06:49:23 -0400, Orcan wrote: > >> At that point you break a cult. xmms still has a stubbornly loyal fan > >> base (just go to #fedora and start talking about it). > > > > Why don't they take care of http://bugz.fedoraproject.org/xmms and > > additional tickets that have been "h

Re: DVD as repo was Re: How this bug can come out of its dead-end? Any suggestions?!

2010-05-10 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/10/2010 05:22 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: > On 10/05/10 1 > How can you not click if it shows up in > gnome-packagekit-extra? > (admin/software/sources) > > Will not the packages be availabel in add\remove? > > They are on my tests. > > No user intervention required. > (allow for the fact my test

Re: DVD as repo was Re: How this bug can come out of its dead-end? Any suggestions?!

2010-05-10 Thread Frank Murphy
On 10/05/10 13:02, Rahul Sundaram wrote: --snipp-- > > DVD repo does NOT show up automatically in the repository listing when > you install gnome-packagekit-extras. I said if DVD.repo is releases with fedora-release* it *will* show up in default There are manual fiddling involved > in setting

Re: DVD as repo was Re: How this bug can come out of its dead-end? Any suggestions?!

2010-05-10 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/10/2010 05:36 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: > On 10/05/10 13:02, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > --snipp-- > > >> DVD repo does NOT show up automatically in the repository listing when >> you install gnome-packagekit-extras. >> > I said if DVD.repo is releases with fedora-release* > it *will* sho

Re: planet.fedoraproject.org blog addition weirdness

2010-05-10 Thread Seth Vidal
On Mon, 10 May 2010, Peter Lemenkov wrote: > Hello! > > Not sure that people are still unaware of that issue, but, anyway, > here is my problem: I added RSS-filter to my blog, to properly sort > out off-topic or unappropriate content from my diary and make it > suitable for inclusion into Fedora

Re: Login problem after yum update

2010-05-10 Thread P J P
--- On Mon, 10/5/10, David Woodhouse wrote: > Downgrade this. > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=504949 Hey thanks, it worked. Thank you. --- Regards -Prasad PS: Please don't send me html/attachment/Fwd mails -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.

Re: DVD as repo was Re: How this bug can come out of its dead-end? Any suggestions?!

2010-05-10 Thread Frank Murphy
On 10/05/10 13:10, Rahul Sundaram wrote: --snip-- > > DVD repo is clearly not part of fedora-release at the moment. We are > talking about the current reality. If you file a RFE and get > fedora-release updated, then it will become easier but that is not the > case now. > > Rahul Neither is

Re: DVD as repo was Re: How this bug can come out of its dead-end? Any suggestions?!

2010-05-10 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/10/2010 05:43 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: > Neither is fixing the RFE for PK, as it's notabug. > But I firmly believe > creting a text file, is the easier\maybe safer challenge. > PackageKit developers disagree with you. Since they are the ones doing the work involved, their opinion has more

Re: DVD as repo

2010-05-10 Thread Frank Murphy
On 10/05/10 13:28, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > PackageKit developers disagree with you. Since they are the ones doing > the work involved, their opinion has more weight. Besides a static repo > file is less flexible than the ability for PackageKit to handle media > dynamically. Meanwhile, you c

rawhide report: 20100510 changes

2010-05-10 Thread Rawhide Report
Compose started at Mon May 10 08:15:15 UTC 2010 Broken deps for i386 -- almanah-0.7.2-1.fc13.i686 requires libedataserver-1.2.so.11 almanah-0.7.2-1.fc13.i686 requires libedataserverui-1.2.so.8 anjal-0.3.2-2.fc14.i686 r

Re: Realtek 8192se on F12/F13

2010-05-10 Thread Andy Gospodarek
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 12:38:15PM +0200, Jos Vos wrote: > Hi, > > What is the status of support for the Realtek 8192se WiFi > controller in F12 and F13? > > I see in some wiki page a reference to the Realtek website, > at least for (stock) F12. > > Is this chipset in the meantime supported in t

Re: DVD as repo

2010-05-10 Thread Hedayat Vatankhah
/*Frank Murphy */ wrote on 05/10/2010 5:11:13 PM +0450: On 10/05/10 13:28, Rahul Sundaram wrote: PackageKit developers disagree with you. Since they are the ones doing the work involved, their opinion has more weight. Besides a static repo file is less flexible than the ability for Pack

Re: DVD as repo

2010-05-10 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, 2010-05-10 at 17:58 +0430, Hedayat Vatankhah wrote: > > Anyway, thinking about the problem with DeviceKit system policies, I > really feel that the current situation is flawed: a process running as > root is able to mount a device either by calling mount system call or > by running the mo

Re: DVD as repo

2010-05-10 Thread Frank Murphy
On 10/05/10 14:28, Hedayat Vatankhah wrote: --snip-- > > Anyway, thinking about the problem with DeviceKit system policies, I > really feel that the current situation is flawed: a process running as > root is able to mount a device either by calling mount system call or by > running the mount comm

Re: chrony as default NTP client?

2010-05-10 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Ryan Rix wrote: > Here is how I see this: The user installs their system for the first time, > they set their clock using NTP while they have the connection to the > internet when they installed their packageset/updates. Now they have an > accurate clock. > > How mu

Re: Reasons for hall monitoring

2010-05-10 Thread Hedayat Vatankhah
/*Adam Williamson */ wrote on 05/10/2010 3:18:06 PM +0450: On Mon, 2010-05-10 at 11:33 +0200, Matěj Cepl wrote: Dne 10.5.2010 11:26, drago01 napsal(a): To have stuff just work. Go to http://senate.gov/ and ask your congressman to fix it. Otherwise (for example if you don't

Re: Reasons for hall monitoring

2010-05-10 Thread Frank Murphy
On 10/05/10 15:05, Hedayat Vatankhah wrote: --snipp-- http://omega.dgplug.org/ -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Realtek 8192se on F12/F13

2010-05-10 Thread Gilboa Davara
On Mon, 2010-05-10 at 12:38 +0200, Jos Vos wrote: > Hi, > > What is the status of support for the Realtek 8192se WiFi > controller in F12 and F13? > > I see in some wiki page a reference to the Realtek website, > at least for (stock) F12. > > Is this chipset in the meantime supported in the F12

Re: Retire glib and gtk+ 1.2 from rawhide?

2010-05-10 Thread Ben Boeckel
Patrice Dumas wrote: > * xdialog is build twice, once agains gtk+ and then against Gtk2. I think > it would be nice to keep it that way, though you could also convince the > current maintainer to keep only the Gtk2 stuff. also xdialog seems to be > pretty dead upstream too, though I still ha

Re: Reasons for hall monitoring

2010-05-10 Thread Hedayat Vatankhah
On ۱۰/۰۵/۱۰ 06:38, Frank Murphy wrote: > On 10/05/10 15:05, Hedayat Vatankhah wrote: > --snipp-- > > http://omega.dgplug.org/ > Thanks, I thought that the project is dead (IIRC, it was not provided for F11 last time I checked, but apparently I'm wrong). I'll contact him to see if he is int

Re: Retire glib and gtk+ 1.2 from rawhide?

2010-05-10 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, 2010-05-10 at 00:04 -0700, Ryan Rix wrote: > > That doesn't mean we should throw it to the wayside. If it works, it works. > As > long as someone is there to maintain it, let them maintain it. If the > maintainer is willing to keep it going, who cares whether it's in the distro? > In

Re: chrony as default NTP client?

2010-05-10 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 2:45 AM, Yaakov M. Nemoy wrote: > On Sun, May 09, 2010 at 01:15:03PM -0700, Ryan Rix wrote: >> I find that having NTP enabled in most cases for mobile systems is simply >> unnecessary; there is a large (I would say upwards of 95% in my most >> unscientific guessings) chance

Re: Reasons for hall monitoring

2010-05-10 Thread drago01
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Hedayat Vatankhah wrote: > > Adam Williamson wrote on 05/10/2010 3:18:06 PM +0450: > > On Mon, 2010-05-10 at 11:33 +0200, Matěj Cepl wrote: > > > Dne 10.5.2010 11:26, drago01 napsal(a): > > > To have stuff just work. > > > Go to http://senate.gov/ and ask your con

Re: rpms/redir/EL-6 import.log,1.2,1.3 redir.spec,1.3,1.4

2010-05-10 Thread Dennis Gilmore
On Monday 10 May 2010 11:18:26 am Itamar Reis Peixoto wrote: > Author: itamarjp > > Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/redir/EL-6 > In directory cvs01.phx2.fedoraproject.org:/tmp/cvs-serv20463/EL-6 > > Modified Files: > import.log redir.spec > Log Message: > - fix building for EL-6 > > > > Index:

EL-6 mono build

2010-05-10 Thread Itamar Reis Peixoto
mono requires bootstrapping ? http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=172787 how to build it ? -- Itamar Reis Peixoto -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: EL-6 mono build

2010-05-10 Thread Steve Traylen
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 6:50 PM, Itamar Reis Peixoto wrote: > mono requires bootstrapping ? > > http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=172787 > > how to build it ? Hopefully you can disable enough features on one package such that it will build so it can then become a dependency to

Re: Outdated Wine versions in koji?

2010-05-10 Thread Tom "spot" Callaway
On 05/10/2010 04:01 AM, Zoltan Boszormenyi wrote: > I guess the legal problem(s) may come from the fact that > newer Wine has cut out its own MP3 decoder and instead, > it uses dlopened libmpg123. How does it differ from the > DVD playing situation? Xine, MPlayer, etc. uses libdvdcss > via dlopen i

Re: Reasons for hall monitoring

2010-05-10 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/10/2010 08:20 PM, Hedayat Vatankhah wrote: > > On ۱۰/۰۵/۱۰ 06:38, Frank Murphy wrote: > >> On 10/05/10 15:05, Hedayat Vatankhah wrote: >> --snipp-- >> >> http://omega.dgplug.org/ >> >> > Thanks, I thought that the project is dead (IIRC, it was not provided > for F11 last time I

Re: Reasons for hall monitoring

2010-05-10 Thread Jesse Keating
On Mon, 2010-05-10 at 07:28 +0300, Gilboa Davara wrote: > I do not agree that that working with zero community input is the way to > achieve a working compromise. (And input does not equal vote) > What makes you think that no community input is considered? -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is

Re: Reasons for hall monitoring

2010-05-10 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 2:48 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > That's the wrong argument. We all know why we _can't_ make it just work, > but that doesn't excuse us. You are right. The answer is clearly to export US legal rules to the rest of the world so we can have an equally unfriendly playing fiel

Re: Reasons for hall monitoring

2010-05-10 Thread drago01
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 8:11 PM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 2:48 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: >> That's the wrong argument. We all know why we _can't_ make it just work, >> but that doesn't excuse us. > > You are right. The answer is clearly to export US legal rules to the > rest

Re: Reasons for hall monitoring

2010-05-10 Thread Bill Nottingham
Jeff Spaleta (jspal...@gmail.com) said: > On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 2:48 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > That's the wrong argument. We all know why we _can't_ make it just work, > > but that doesn't excuse us. > > You are right. The answer is clearly to export US legal rules to the > rest of the wo

Upcoming Schedule Tasks

2010-05-10 Thread John Poelstra
Start End Name Tue 04-May Tue 18-May Final Infrastructure Change Freeze Tue 11-May Tue 11-May Fedora 13 Final Go/No-Go Meeting (20:00 EST) Wed 12-May Wed 12-May Fedora 13 Final Release Readiness Meeting Thu 13-May Thu 13-May Start Stage & Sync RC to Mirrors Thu 13-May Tue 18-

Re: Reasons for hall monitoring

2010-05-10 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 10:36 AM, drago01 wrote: > Fix what is broken and not break everything else so that you can > pretend that it isn't. Think of that opening remark as a modern twitter-friendly version of "A Modest Proposal" given in the very same spirit of Jonathon Swift's original. -jef -

Re: rpms/redir/EL-6 import.log,1.2,1.3 redir.spec,1.3,1.4

2010-05-10 Thread Paul Howarth
On Mon, 10 May 2010 11:37:16 -0500 Dennis Gilmore wrote: > On Monday 10 May 2010 11:18:26 am Itamar Reis Peixoto wrote: > > Author: itamarjp > > > > Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/redir/EL-6 > > In directory cvs01.phx2.fedoraproject.org:/tmp/cvs-serv20463/EL-6 > > > > Modified Files: > > import.l

Re: Reasons for hall monitoring

2010-05-10 Thread drago01
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 8:56 PM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 10:36 AM, drago01 wrote: >> Fix what is broken and not break everything else so that you can >> pretend that it isn't. > > Think of that opening remark as a modern twitter-friendly version of > "A Modest Proposal" give

Re: rpms/redir/EL-6 import.log,1.2,1.3 redir.spec,1.3,1.4

2010-05-10 Thread Itamar Reis Peixoto
> > Or you can just use: > > BuildRequires: /usr/include/tcpd.h > > which works everywhere and you don't need conditionals. > > Paul. > seems to be interesting, but using filenames instead package names in yum appears to be more slow, I think only in build time should not be a problem. -- ---

Re: EL-6 mono build

2010-05-10 Thread Christopher Brown
On 10 May 2010 17:50, Itamar Reis Peixoto wrote: > mono requires bootstrapping ? > > http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=172787 > > how to build it ? No, if you build against the mono.snk strong name key in /etc/pki then there should be no bootstrapping required. This is provided

Re: EL-6 mono build

2010-05-10 Thread Itamar Reis Peixoto
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Christopher Brown wrote: > On 10 May 2010 17:50, Itamar Reis Peixoto wrote: >> mono requires bootstrapping ? >> >> http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=172787 >> >> how to build it ? > > No, if you build against the mono.snk strong name key in /etc

rpms/perl-Module-Signature/EL-6 .cvsignore, 1.9, 1.10 perl-Module-Signature.spec, 1.13, 1.14 sources, 1.9, 1.10

2010-05-10 Thread Paul Howarth
Author: pghmcfc Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-Module-Signature/EL-6 In directory cvs01.phx2.fedoraproject.org:/tmp/cvs-serv30480 Modified Files: .cvsignore perl-Module-Signature.spec sources Log Message: Update to 0.64 Index: .cvsignore =

[Bug 577790] perl-X11-Protocol - Request for EL-5 branch

2010-05-10 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=577790 --- Comment #4 from Fedora Update System 2010-05-10 16:15:14 EDT --- perl-X11-Protocol-0.56-5.el5, clusterssh-3.26-2.el5 has be

[Bug 574409] request for perl-Net-SSH EPEL build

2010-05-10 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=574409 Fedora Update System changed: What|Removed |Added --

[Bug 574431] perl-Sys-SigAction - request for EL-5 branch

2010-05-10 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=574431 --- Comment #3 from Fedora Update System 2010-05-10 16:15:53 EDT --- perl-Sys-SigAction-0.11-3.el5 has been pushed to the Fedor

[Bug 574409] request for perl-Net-SSH EPEL build

2010-05-10 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=574409 --- Comment #3 from Fedora Update System 2010-05-10 16:15:36 EDT --- perl-Net-SSH-0.09-4.el5 has been pushed to the Fedora EPEL

[Bug 574431] perl-Sys-SigAction - request for EL-5 branch

2010-05-10 Thread bugzilla
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[Bug 577790] perl-X11-Protocol - Request for EL-5 branch

2010-05-10 Thread bugzilla
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Re: rpms/redir/EL-6 import.log,1.2,1.3 redir.spec,1.3,1.4

2010-05-10 Thread Paul Howarth
On Mon, 10 May 2010 16:40:24 -0300 Itamar Reis Peixoto wrote: > > > > Or you can just use: > > > > BuildRequires: /usr/include/tcpd.h > > > > which works everywhere and you don't need conditionals. > > > > Paul. > > > > seems to be interesting, but using filenames instead package names in > yum

Re: EL-6 mono build

2010-05-10 Thread Rex Dieter
Itamar Reis Peixoto wrote: > On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Christopher Brown >> No, if you build against the mono.snk strong name key in /etc/pki then >> there should be no bootstrapping required. This is provided by >> mono-devel I think. > there are no mono-devel in EL-6, > > EL-6 not inhe

Re: s/redhat/system in package names

2010-05-10 Thread Casey Dahlin
On Sat, May 08, 2010 at 01:10:18AM +0200, Xose Vazquez Perez wrote: > hi, > > Long time ago, all *redhat* packages were renamed to "system*". > But three of them are still alive: redhat-lsb, redhat-menus and > redhat-rpm-config > > Should they switch to "system-" ? > > -thanks- > I think s/re

Re: s/redhat/system in package names

2010-05-10 Thread Garrett Holmstrom
On 5/10/2010 15:46, Casey Dahlin wrote: > On Sat, May 08, 2010 at 01:10:18AM +0200, Xose Vazquez Perez wrote: >> Long time ago, all *redhat* packages were renamed to "system*". >> But three of them are still alive: redhat-lsb, redhat-menus and >> redhat-rpm-config >> >> Should they switch to "syst

Re: s/redhat/system in package names

2010-05-10 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/11/2010 02:20 AM, Garrett Holmstrom wrote: > If they aren't specific to only Fedora like fedora-release and > fedora-release-notes are, why put "fedora" in the package names at all? > Besides switching from Red Hat to Fedora is fairly pointless since both names have trademark requirement

Plan for tomorrow's FESCo meeting (2010-05-11)

2010-05-10 Thread Kevin Fenzi
Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo meeting tomorrow at 19:00UTC (3pm EDT) in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net. = Followups = #351 Create a policy for updates - status report on implementation = New Business = #373 erlang provides/requires explosion #374 Mo

Re: DVD as repo

2010-05-10 Thread Hedayat Vatankhah
/*Matthias Clasen */ wrote on 05/10/2010 5:59:56 PM +0450: On Mon, 2010-05-10 at 17:58 +0430, Hedayat Vatankhah wrote: Anyway, thinking about the problem with DeviceKit system policies, I really feel that the current situation is flawed: a process running as root is able to mount a devic

Re: Plan for tomorrow's FESCo meeting (2010-05-11)

2010-05-10 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Mon, 10 May 2010 15:00:18 -0600 Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo > meeting tomorrow at 19:00UTC (3pm EDT) in #fedora-meeting on > irc.freenode.net. > > = Followups = > > #351 Create a policy for updates - status report on implementa

Re: Reasons for hall monitoring

2010-05-10 Thread Gilboa Davara
On Mon, 2010-05-10 at 11:05 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: > On Mon, 2010-05-10 at 07:28 +0300, Gilboa Davara wrote: > > I do not agree that that working with zero community input is the way to > > achieve a working compromise. (And input does not equal vote) > > > What makes you think that no commun

Re: rpms/redir/EL-6 import.log,1.2,1.3 redir.spec,1.3,1.4

2010-05-10 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 11:37:16AM -0500, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > On Monday 10 May 2010 11:18:26 am Itamar Reis Peixoto wrote: > > Index: redir.spec > > === > > RCS file: /cvs/pkgs/rpms/redir/EL-6/redir.spec,v > > retrieving revision 1

Fedora 13 Release Candidate Phase

2010-05-10 Thread Jesse Keating
Fedora 13 has released Release Candidate stage. We have reached a state where the known blockers were fixed and were able to make a release candidate. This happened last Thursday, and almost immediately we found a need to spin a second release candidate. From this point on, only items critical t

Re: Macbook Pro 13.3" (5,5) Fedora 12 notes

2010-05-10 Thread François Kooman
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 11:41 PM, Jon Masters wrote: >> > but conversely >> > there's some weirdness with the sound driver resulting in no sound (for >> > which I will collate some data before blindly filing a bug on that). Ok then if no one does it (or my search skills suck...): https://bugzilla.

Re: Reasons for hall monitoring

2010-05-10 Thread Jesse Keating
On Tue, 2010-05-11 at 01:28 +0300, Gilboa Davara wrote: > On Mon, 2010-05-10 at 11:05 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: > > On Mon, 2010-05-10 at 07:28 +0300, Gilboa Davara wrote: > > > I do not agree that that working with zero community input is the way to > > > achieve a working compromise. (And input

Re: orphaning Calibre

2010-05-10 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Mon, 10 May 2010 14:25:02 +0300 "Ionuț C. Arțăriși" wrote: > > Hello, > > I don't have the time to maintain calibre any more so I'm orphaning > it. I fell behind on bugzilla, too. > > Beware, it requires a lot of love. Upstream moves very fast. Releases > happen weekly and there are always

Re: s/redhat/system in package names

2010-05-10 Thread Tom Lane
Garrett Holmstrom writes: > On 5/10/2010 15:46, Casey Dahlin wrote: >> On Sat, May 08, 2010 at 01:10:18AM +0200, Xose Vazquez Perez wrote: >>> Long time ago, all *redhat* packages were renamed to "system*". >>> But three of them are still alive: redhat-lsb, redhat-menus and >>> redhat-rpm-config

F-13 Branched report: 20100510 changes

2010-05-10 Thread Branched Report
Compose started at Mon May 10 21:49:13 UTC 2010 Broken deps for i386 -- 1:mojito-devel-0.21.7-3.fc13.i686 requires mojito = 0:0.21.7-3.fc13 Broken deps for x86_64 -- 1

Blockers via flags?

2010-05-10 Thread Jesse Keating
So, I know a lot of you out there hate bugzilla flags, but I think we have problem with the current way we manage release blocker issues, and flags offer a potential solution. First the problem: Right now, anybody can propose a release blocker bug. This is not the problem though, the problem is

Re: F-13 Branched report: 20100510 changes

2010-05-10 Thread Jesse Keating
On Tue, 2010-05-11 at 02:12 +, Branched Report wrote: > > Broken deps for i386 > -- > 1:mojito-devel-0.21.7-3.fc13.i686 requires mojito = > 0:0.21.7-3.fc13 I've fixed this and have a new compose going. -- Jesse Keating Fedora

Re: Blockers via flags?

2010-05-10 Thread Garrett Holmstrom
On 5/10/2010 22:23, Jesse Keating wrote: > (our?) Bugzilla already has a method for proposal and acceptance. This > is done via flags. We currently use this for package reviews and CVS > admin tasks. What I propose is that we introduce a new flag once we've > branched a release and created a bug

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