Re: Proposed udpates policy change

2010-03-09 Thread Michal Schmidt
On Mon, 08 Mar 2010 23:41:44 -0500 Jon Masters wrote: > I also suggest /considering/ implementing rolling updates rather than > pushing everything to stable. By rolling updates, in this case I mean > implementing a technical means (and this is tricky with mirrors) by > which not every user will rec

Re: Proposed udpates policy change

2010-03-09 Thread Alexander Kahl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/09/2010 12:12 AM, Matthew Garrett wrote: > ... > We need to work on making it easier for users to see that there are > available testing updates and give feedback on them. This is clearly > going to take a while .. but should happen before the

Re: Proposed udpates policy change

2010-03-09 Thread Dan Horák
Matthew Garrett píše v Po 08. 03. 2010 v 21:59 +: > This is the policy that I expect to be discussed during the Fesco > meeting tomorrow. This is entirely orthogonal to the ongoing discussions > regarding whether updates in stable releases should be expected to > provide features or purely

Re: Proposed udpates policy change

2010-03-09 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 11:21 PM, Sven Lankes wrote: > On Mon, Mar 08, 2010 at 09:59:29PM +, Matthew Garrett wrote: > >> Before being added to updates, the package must receive a net karma of >> +3 in Bodhi. > > [...] > >> It is the expectation of Fesco that the majority of updates should >> ea

Re: Proposed udpates policy change

2010-03-09 Thread Christof Damian
On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 00:53, Jesse Keating wrote: > On Mon, 2010-03-08 at 18:45 -0500, Steven M. Parrish wrote: >> As a maintainer I have seen several of my packages sit in updates testing for >> over 2 weeks with no comments and no karma.  In fact they sat so long I got >> nag mail about not pus

Re: Proposed udpates policy change

2010-03-09 Thread Jon Masters
On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 09:28 +0100, Michal Schmidt wrote: > On Mon, 08 Mar 2010 23:41:44 -0500 Jon Masters wrote: > > I also suggest /considering/ implementing rolling updates rather than > > pushing everything to stable. By rolling updates, in this case I mean > > implementing a technical means (an

Re: Proposed udpates policy change

2010-03-09 Thread Joe Orton
On Mon, Mar 08, 2010 at 09:59:29PM +, Matthew Garrett wrote: > It is the expectation of Fesco that the majority of updates should > easily be able to garner the necessary karma in a minimal space of time. This seems naive to me. My experience is that there are few people willing to provide

Re: PROPOSAL: Fedora user survey

2010-03-09 Thread Andrew Haley
On 03/09/2010 05:45 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On 03/09/2010 06:37 AM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > >> Correct me if I am wrong, but right now the Fedora project knows little >> to nothing about its user base as a whole from a scientific perspective. > And why does Fedora need to know about this?

Re: Plan for tomorrow's (2010-03-09) FESCo meeting

2010-03-09 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Mon, 8 Mar 2010 16:10:40 -0700, Kevin wrote: > - Proposed Updates Policy Change - mjg59 So, I'm willing to sacrifice a pawn. If that proposal, in particular the | Before being added to updates, the package | must receive a net karma of +3 in Bodhi. part and/or "a minimum 14 days halt in upd

Re: Plan for tomorrow's (2010-03-09) FESCo meeting

2010-03-09 Thread Michał Piotrowski
2010/3/9 Michael Schwendt : > On Mon, 8 Mar 2010 16:10:40 -0700, Kevin wrote: > >> - Proposed Updates Policy Change - mjg59 > > So, I'm willing to sacrifice a pawn. If that proposal, in particular the > > | Before being added to updates, the package > | must receive a net karma of +3 in Bodhi. > >

Re: PROPOSAL: Fedora user survey

2010-03-09 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Mar 09, 2010 at 08:51:06AM -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: > 1. One group wants us to aim for mom/pop/grandma/desktop users - the > apple market or what ubuntu aims for. > > 2. one group wants us to aim exclusively for the bleeding edge open > source developer market. > > 3. one group wants us

[Test-Announce] Bugzappers Meeting Agenda for 2010-03-09

2010-03-09 Thread Adam Williamson
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2010-03-09 Thread stevetraylen
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File Net-STOMP-Client-0.8.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by stevetraylen

2010-03-09 Thread stevetraylen
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Re: PROPOSAL: Fedora user survey

2010-03-09 Thread Seth Vidal
On Tue, 9 Mar 2010, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Tue, Mar 09, 2010 at 08:51:06AM -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: >> 1. One group wants us to aim for mom/pop/grandma/desktop users - the >> apple market or what ubuntu aims for. >> >> 2. one group wants us to aim exclusively for the bleeding edge open >> so

rpms/perl-Net-STOMP-Client/F-11 perl-Net-STOMP-Client.spec, NONE, 1.1 sources, 1.1, 1.2

2010-03-09 Thread stevetraylen
Author: stevetraylen Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-Net-STOMP-Client/F-11 In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv31470/F-11 Modified Files: sources Added Files: perl-Net-STOMP-Client.spec Log Message: Populate branches. --- NEW FILE perl-Net-STOMP-Client.spec ---

rpms/perl-Net-STOMP-Client/EL-5 perl-Net-STOMP-Client.spec, NONE, 1.1 sources, 1.1, 1.2

2010-03-09 Thread stevetraylen
Author: stevetraylen Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-Net-STOMP-Client/EL-5 In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv31470/EL-5 Modified Files: sources Added Files: perl-Net-STOMP-Client.spec Log Message: Populate branches. --- NEW FILE perl-Net-STOMP-Client.spec ---

rpms/perl-Net-STOMP-Client/F-13 perl-Net-STOMP-Client.spec, NONE, 1.1 sources, 1.1, 1.2

2010-03-09 Thread stevetraylen
Author: stevetraylen Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-Net-STOMP-Client/F-13 In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv31470/F-13 Modified Files: sources Added Files: perl-Net-STOMP-Client.spec Log Message: Populate branches. --- NEW FILE perl-Net-STOMP-Client.spec ---

[Bug 563935] Update perl-IPC-ShareLite to 0.10 or later

2010-03-09 Thread bugzilla
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Re: Expect more positive bodhi karma / check karma automatism

2010-03-09 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/06/2010 05:21 PM, Till Maas wrote: > Good news everyone, > > you can probably expect to receive more positive bodhi karma for your > updates in the future (or you already got unexpected much), because > there is now a script called 'fedora-easy-

Re: Plan for tomorrow's (2010-03-09) FESCo meeting

2010-03-09 Thread Till Maas
On Tue, Mar 09, 2010 at 11:11:30AM +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Mon, 8 Mar 2010 16:10:40 -0700, Kevin wrote: > > > - Proposed Updates Policy Change - mjg59 > > So, I'm willing to sacrifice a pawn. If that proposal, in particular the > > | Before being added to updates, the package > | mu

Re: PROPOSAL: Fedora user survey

2010-03-09 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
On Tuesday 09 March 2010 06:05:32 Seth Vidal wrote: > On Mon, 8 Mar 2010, Jon Masters wrote: > > Folks, > > > > I will propose this to FESCo through their normal channels. > > > > My proposal is that we create a "Fedora User Survey" and create a link > > on the fp.o website with a few very simple

Re: Proposed udpates policy change

2010-03-09 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
On Tuesday 09 March 2010 13:55:53 Seth Vidal wrote: > On Tue, 9 Mar 2010, Karel Zak wrote: > > Always when I see that someone is trying to introduce a new rule I > > have to ask myself ... why so large project like kernel is able to > > successfully exist for 20 years without a huge collection of r

Re: Proposed udpates policy change

2010-03-09 Thread Mathieu Bridon
On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 10:51, Joe Orton wrote: > On Mon, Mar 08, 2010 at 09:59:29PM +, Matthew Garrett wrote: >> It is the expectation of Fesco that the majority of updates should >> easily be able to garner the necessary karma in a minimal space of time. > > This seems naive to me.  My experi

Re: Proposed udpates policy change

2010-03-09 Thread H . Guémar
Sounds pretty sensible. We should also keep in mind that one size does not fit all. While core and widely used packages should have a more conservative update path, some packages could benefit from faster release. karma mechanism + feedback integration in PK looks like a total win for the latter.

[Bug 563937] Update perl-IPC-ShareLite to 0.17

2010-03-09 Thread bugzilla
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Re: PROPOSAL: Fedora user survey

2010-03-09 Thread Seth Vidal
On Tue, 9 Mar 2010, Matthias Clasen wrote: > On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 08:51 -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: >> Here's the camps I see: >> >> 1. One group wants us to aim for mom/pop/grandma/desktop users - the >> apple market or what ubuntu aims for. >> >> 2. one group wants us to aim exclusively for the

Re: Expect more positive bodhi karma / check karma automatism

2010-03-09 Thread Thomas Spura
Am Dienstag, den 09.03.2010, 07:50 -0500 schrieb Stephen Gallagher: > On 03/06/2010 05:21 PM, Till Maas wrote: > > [0] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Easy_Karma > > > Given the obvious utility of this script, can we get it added to the > fedora-packager package? It doesn't make a lot of se

Re: PROPOSAL: Fedora user survey

2010-03-09 Thread Seth Vidal
On Mon, 8 Mar 2010, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > On 03/08/2010 11:05 PM, Seth Vidal wrote: >> -1 >> >> It sure looks like a californian referendum process. Let me make this >> abundantly clear: I have ZERO interest in developing a distro which is >> driven by mob vote of whomever happens to be o

Re: Proposed udpates policy change

2010-03-09 Thread Alexander Kahl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/08/2010 10:59 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: > The ability for maintainers to flag an update directly into the updates > repository will be disabled. Before being added to updates, the package > must receive a net karma of +3 in Bodhi. - -1, I wou

Re: PROPOSAL: Fedora user survey

2010-03-09 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 08:51 -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: > We get the users we aim for. Not really true. We don't aim at all, and we only get the users that can bear to stay with us... > Here's the camps I see: > > 1. One group wants us to aim for mom/pop/grandma/desktop users - the > apple market

Re: PROPOSAL: Fedora user survey

2010-03-09 Thread Seth Vidal
On Tue, 9 Mar 2010, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > > Another question - how many broken things we shipped in release that could be > fixed by updates? We shipped lot of unfinished, feature incomplete stuff in > history... > > Nobody can't say I'm for shipping broken stuff - for release, updates etc...

[Bug 563937] Update perl-IPC-ShareLite to 0.17

2010-03-09 Thread bugzilla
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Re: Proposed udpates policy change

2010-03-09 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Tue, 9 Mar 2010 14:20:20 +0100, Mathieu wrote: > I maintain some niche packages that almost no one uses/no one would > provide karma for. But if I'm asked for a bugfix, and I do it, I want > the people requesting it to tell me that it indeed fixes the issue and > doesn't break anything else.

Re: PROPOSAL: Fedora user survey

2010-03-09 Thread Al Dunsmuir
Hello Seth, Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 8:38:44 AM, you wrote: > On Tue, 9 Mar 2010, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: >> On Tuesday 09 March 2010 14:02:07 Seth Vidal wrote: > I'm sure with the same logic I can say a lot of things. > What I said was " I want fewer broken things." > -sv Seth, The problem is

Re: PROPOSAL: Fedora user survey

2010-03-09 Thread Seth Vidal
On Tue, 9 Mar 2010, Al Dunsmuir wrote: > > Seth, > > The problem is that when things do get broken in a stable release, the > updates that fix the problem often only get released in the next > release. > > When I installed F11, two of my systems ran fine for the install and > those upda

Re: PROPOSAL: Fedora user survey

2010-03-09 Thread Al Dunsmuir
Hello Seth, Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 9:37:26 AM, you wrote: > On Tue, 9 Mar 2010, Al Dunsmuir wrote: >> Hello Seth, >> >> Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 9:23:00 AM, you wrote: >> >>> Your primary server runs fedora? May I ask why? >>> -sv >> >> I have limited time to do system installs and maintena

Re: PROPOSAL: Fedora user survey

2010-03-09 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
On Tuesday 09 March 2010 15:33:35 Jesse Keating wrote: > On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 12:23 +0100, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > > Ok, but then we're stuck in infinite cycle. Some people want to change > > update policies/target of Fedora because of users, we don't know who are > > our user and what they want.

Re: PROPOSAL: Fedora user survey

2010-03-09 Thread Jesse Keating
On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 12:23 +0100, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > Ok, but then we're stuck in infinite cycle. Some people want to change update > policies/target of Fedora because of users, we don't know who are our user > and > what they want. Now someone wants to know who are our users/what our user

Re: PROPOSAL: Fedora user survey

2010-03-09 Thread Al Dunsmuir
Hello Seth, Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 9:23:00 AM, you wrote: > Your primary server runs fedora? May I ask why? > -sv I have limited time to do system installs and maintenance. Sticking with one distribution helps keep that sane. I have a dual boot XP + Ubuntu machine that I do some play with

Re: PROPOSAL: Fedora user survey

2010-03-09 Thread Seth Vidal
On Tue, 9 Mar 2010, Al Dunsmuir wrote: > Hello Seth, > > Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 9:23:00 AM, you wrote: > >> Your primary server runs fedora? May I ask why? >> -sv > > I have limited time to do system installs and maintenance. Sticking > with one distribution helps keep that sane. I have a

Re: PROPOSAL: Fedora user survey

2010-03-09 Thread Seth Vidal
On Tue, 9 Mar 2010, Konstantin Ryabitsev wrote: > On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 8:51 AM, Seth Vidal wrote: >> Here's the camps I see: >> >> 1. One group wants us to aim for mom/pop/grandma/desktop users - the >> apple market or what ubuntu aims for. >> >> 2. one group wants us to aim exclusively for t

Re: Proposed udpates policy change

2010-03-09 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Mon, Mar 08, 2010 at 11:41:44PM -0500, Jon Masters wrote: > > I believe that this is possibly too limited. Aside from the obvious > abuse potential (which will always exist no matter what happens) - > obviously someone could just hate the process and decide to have a > couple of others sign off

[Test-Announce] Announcing the release of Fedora 13 Alpha!!

2010-03-09 Thread Jesse Keating
The Fedora 13 "Goddard" Alpha release is available! What's next for the free operating system that shows off the best new technology of tomorrow? You can see the future now at: http://fedoraproject.org/get-prerelease?anF13a == What is the Alpha release? == The Alpha release contains all the feat

Re: PROPOSAL: Fedora user survey

2010-03-09 Thread Terry Barnaby
On 03/09/2010 02:57 PM, Al Dunsmuir wrote: > Hello Seth, > > Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 9:37:26 AM, you wrote: > > > >> On Tue, 9 Mar 2010, Al Dunsmuir wrote: > >>> Hello Seth, >>> >>> Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 9:23:00 AM, you wrote: >>> Your primary server runs fedora? May I ask why? -sv

Re: Proposed udpates policy change

2010-03-09 Thread Seth Vidal
On Tue, 9 Mar 2010, Karel Zak wrote: > > Always when I see that someone is trying to introduce a new rule I > have to ask myself ... why so large project like kernel is able to > successfully exist for 20 years without a huge collection of rules? the kernel has one rule which ends up working ve

Re: PROPOSAL: Fedora user survey

2010-03-09 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Mar 09, 2010 at 10:17:21AM -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: > > Aiming at #1 means that every single new student and researcher at the > > school where I work comes in asking for Ubuntu -- even if one could make a > > very persuasive case that these users probably fit better into #2 and #3. > I thi

Announcing the release of Fedora 13 Alpha!!

2010-03-09 Thread Jesse Keating
The Fedora 13 "Goddard" Alpha release is available! What's next for the free operating system that shows off the best new technology of tomorrow? You can see the future now at: http://fedoraproject.org/get-prerelease?anF13a == What is the Alpha release? == The Alpha release contains all the feat

Re: PROPOSAL: Fedora user survey

2010-03-09 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
On Tuesday 09 March 2010 14:35:49 Dan Horák wrote: > Seth Vidal píše v Út 09. 03. 2010 v 08:02 -0500: > > On Tue, 9 Mar 2010, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > > > Ok, but then we're stuck in infinite cycle. Some people want to change > > > update policies/target of Fedora because of users, we don't know wh

Re: Proposed udpates policy change

2010-03-09 Thread Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
On Monday, 08 March 2010 at 22:59, Matthew Garrett wrote: [...] > Proposal > > > The ability for maintainers to flag an update directly into the updates > repository will be disabled. Before being added to updates, the package > must receive a net karma of +3 in Bodhi. -1 to this. I've

Re: Upcoming Bugzilla Changes

2010-03-09 Thread John Poelstra
Till Maas said the following on 03/05/2010 04:27 AM Pacific Time: > On Thu, Mar 04, 2010 at 10:53:54PM -0500, TK009 wrote: > >> I hope everyone is well. With the worst of the “snowpocalypse" behind us  >> (here in the Northern Hemisphere) and the branching of Fedora 13, there >> is a bit of ‘sprin

[Bug 563937] Update perl-IPC-ShareLite to 0.17

2010-03-09 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=563937 Xavier Bachelot changed: What|Removed |Added ---

rpms/perl-Net-STOMP-Client/EL-4 perl-Net-STOMP-Client.spec, NONE, 1.1 sources, 1.1, 1.2

2010-03-09 Thread stevetraylen
Author: stevetraylen Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-Net-STOMP-Client/EL-4 In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv31470/EL-4 Modified Files: sources Added Files: perl-Net-STOMP-Client.spec Log Message: Populate branches. --- NEW FILE perl-Net-STOMP-Client.spec ---

Re: PROPOSAL: Fedora user survey

2010-03-09 Thread Seth Vidal
On Tue, 9 Mar 2010, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > On Tuesday 09 March 2010 14:02:07 Seth Vidal wrote: >> On Tue, 9 Mar 2010, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: >>> Ok, but then we're stuck in infinite cycle. Some people want to change >>> update policies/target of Fedora because of users, we don't know who are >

Re: Proposed udpates policy change

2010-03-09 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Tue, Mar 09, 2010 at 09:52:28AM +0100, Dan Horák wrote: > Matthew Garrett píše v Po 08. 03. 2010 v 21:59 +: > > This is the policy that I expect to be discussed during the Fesco > > meeting tomorrow. This is entirely orthogonal to the ongoing discussions > > regarding whether updates in s

Re: Proposed udpates policy change

2010-03-09 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Mon, 08.03.10 21:59, Matthew Garrett (mj...@srcf.ucam.org) wrote: > The ability for maintainers to flag an update directly into the updates > repository will be disabled. Before being added to updates, the package > must receive a net karma of +3 in Bodhi. Two questions: How do you plan to

[Bug 567120] perl-Set-Scalar: please update to v1.25 and create EPEL branches

2010-03-09 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=567120 --- Comment #6 from Jose Pedro Oliveira 2010-03-09 10:23:00 EST --- Would be possible to have version 1.23 built instead (the

rpms/perl-Set-Scalar/EL-5 perl-Set-Scalar.spec, 1.2, 1.3 sources, 1.2, 1.3

2010-03-09 Thread Tom Callaway
Author: spot Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-Set-Scalar/EL-5 In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv4662 Modified Files: perl-Set-Scalar.spec sources Log Message: sync to current Index: perl-Set-Scalar.spec ===

Re: Proposed udpates policy change

2010-03-09 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 03/09/2010 03:29 AM, Matthew Garrett wrote: > The ability for maintainers to flag an update directly into the updates > repository will be disabled. Before being added to updates, the package > must receive a net karma of +3 in Bodhi. > I don't see how we expect that for all packages to ge

Re: Proposed udpates policy change

2010-03-09 Thread Matěj Cepl
Dne 8.3.2010 22:59, Matthew Garrett napsal(a): > The ability for maintainers to flag an update directly into the updates > repository will be disabled. Before being added to updates, the package > must receive a net karma of +3 in Bodhi. I usually decrease required karma to +-1, but I have never e

[Bug 563935] Update perl-IPC-ShareLite to 0.10 or later

2010-03-09 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=563935 --- Comment #2 from Xavier Bachelot 2010-03-09 07:27:53 EST --- Steven, it's been almost one month already since I filed the bu

Re: Plan for tomorrow's (2010-03-09) FESCo meeting

2010-03-09 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Tue, Mar 09, 2010 at 11:54:29AM +0100, Till Maas wrote: > On Tue, Mar 09, 2010 at 11:11:30AM +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote: > > On Mon, 8 Mar 2010 16:10:40 -0700, Kevin wrote: > > > > > - Proposed Updates Policy Change - mjg59 > > > > So, I'm willing to sacrifice a pawn. If that proposal, in p

X.org on F13 Alpha and monitor setup

2010-03-09 Thread Stefan Schulze Frielinghaus
Today I wanted to give F13 Alpha a test and installed it. The installation went fine but I do not get a proper screen resolution setup. The basic setup was done via system-config-display, I only added a modeline. But it seems to me that the modeline is ignored. Is this a new behavior because of ker

rawhide report: 20100309 changes

2010-03-09 Thread Rawhide Report
Compose started at Tue Mar 9 08:15:08 UTC 2010 Broken deps for i386 -- blahtexml-0.6-5.fc12.i686 requires libxerces-c.so.28 calibre-0.6.42-1.fc14.i686 requires libMagickCore.so.2 calibre-0.6.42-1.fc14.i686 requires li

Re: PROPOSAL: Fedora user survey

2010-03-09 Thread Matt Domsch
On Tue, Mar 09, 2010 at 03:30:37PM +, Terry Barnaby wrote: > I personally thought the old 12 month RedHat Linux release cycle was about > right. RHL was also on a 6 month release cycle. -- Matt Domsch Technology Strategist, Dell Office of the CTO linux.dell.com & www.dell.com/linux -- devel

Re: Proposed udpates policy change

2010-03-09 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Mon, Mar 08, 2010 at 06:00:20PM -0800, Chris Weyl wrote: > Hmm. So. I have a package, perl-Moose, that has 4,667 tests run at > build time. It depends on perl-Class-MOP, which has 2,225 tests, and > it in turn depends on perl, which has 234,776 tests run at build. On > a future note, we're

Re: Proposed udpates policy change

2010-03-09 Thread Karel Zak
On Mon, Mar 08, 2010 at 09:59:29PM +, Matthew Garrett wrote: > This is the policy that I expect to be discussed during the Fesco > meeting tomorrow. This is entirely orthogonal to the ongoing discussions > regarding whether updates in stable releases should be expected to > provide features

Re: X.org on F13 Alpha and monitor setup

2010-03-09 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 15:43 +0100, Stefan Schulze Frielinghaus wrote: > Today I wanted to give F13 Alpha a test and installed it. The > installation went fine but I do not get a proper screen resolution > setup. The basic setup was done via system-config-display, I only added > a modeline. But it s

Re: PROPOSAL: Fedora user survey

2010-03-09 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
On Tuesday 09 March 2010 14:02:07 Seth Vidal wrote: > On Tue, 9 Mar 2010, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > > Ok, but then we're stuck in infinite cycle. Some people want to change > > update policies/target of Fedora because of users, we don't know who are > > our user and what they want. Now someone wants

Re: Proposed udpates policy change

2010-03-09 Thread Seth Vidal
On Tue, 9 Mar 2010, Karel Zak wrote: > It's not (only) about Linus. It's about working environment and > strong focus on technical things. > > Please, read: > http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/ManagementStyle > >> Yes, we don't have Linus here ;-) But usually I like his decisions - mostly

File Set-Scalar-1.25.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by spot

2010-03-09 Thread Tom Callaway
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Re: PROPOSAL: Fedora user survey

2010-03-09 Thread Dan Horák
Seth Vidal píše v Út 09. 03. 2010 v 08:02 -0500: > > On Tue, 9 Mar 2010, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > > > Ok, but then we're stuck in infinite cycle. Some people want to change > > update > > policies/target of Fedora because of users, we don't know who are our user > > and > > what they want. Now

Re: PROPOSAL: Fedora user survey

2010-03-09 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Mar 09, 2010 at 10:17:01AM -0500, Konstantin Ryabitsev wrote: > 4. one group who don't really care about distro wars but use Fedora > because this way they know what will be in RHEL/CentOS, which is what > they use for "serious work" on their servers. I actually use RHEL on my servers beca

Re: Proposed udpates policy change

2010-03-09 Thread Tomas Mraz
On Mon, 2010-03-08 at 21:59 +, Matthew Garrett wrote: > This is the policy that I expect to be discussed during the Fesco > meeting tomorrow. This is entirely orthogonal to the ongoing discussions > regarding whether updates in stable releases should be expected to > provide features or pur

Re: Proposed udpates policy change

2010-03-09 Thread Karel Zak
On Tue, Mar 09, 2010 at 02:10:58PM +0100, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > On Tuesday 09 March 2010 13:55:53 Seth Vidal wrote: > > On Tue, 9 Mar 2010, Karel Zak wrote: > > > Always when I see that someone is trying to introduce a new rule I > > > have to ask myself ... why so large project like kernel is a

Re: PROPOSAL: Fedora user survey

2010-03-09 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Tue, 9 Mar 2010 12:23:42 +0100, Jaroslav wrote: > Some people want to change update > policies/target of Fedora because of users, Not sure this is true. > we don't know who are our user and > what they want. Really? The users I see want "stuff that works". Preferably, they want the stuff

rpms/perl-Net-STOMP-Client/devel perl-Net-STOMP-Client.spec,1.1,1.2

2010-03-09 Thread stevetraylen
Author: stevetraylen Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-Net-STOMP-Client/devel In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv31470/devel Modified Files: perl-Net-STOMP-Client.spec Log Message: Populate branches. Index: perl-Net-STOMP-Client.spec =

Re: PROPOSAL: Fedora user survey

2010-03-09 Thread Seth Vidal
On Tue, 9 Mar 2010, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > Ok, but then we're stuck in infinite cycle. Some people want to change update > policies/target of Fedora because of users, we don't know who are our user and > what they want. Now someone wants to know who are our users/what our users > really want,

Re: Proposed udpates policy change

2010-03-09 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Tue, Mar 09, 2010 at 03:26:15PM +0100, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: > -1 to this. I've packaged a number of things that I know just one user of. > I have no idea how many people actually use my packages or how to reach > them. Therefore it will most likely be impossible for me to get +

Re: PROPOSAL: Fedora user survey

2010-03-09 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
On Tuesday 09 March 2010 14:51:06 Seth Vidal wrote: > On Tue, 9 Mar 2010, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > > Another question - how many broken things we shipped in release that > > could be fixed by updates? We shipped lot of unfinished, feature > > incomplete stuff in history... > > > > Nobody can't say

rpms/perl-Set-Scalar/devel .cvsignore, 1.4, 1.5 perl-Set-Scalar.spec, 1.8, 1.9 sources, 1.4, 1.5

2010-03-09 Thread Tom Callaway
Author: spot Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-Set-Scalar/devel In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv7398/devel Modified Files: .cvsignore perl-Set-Scalar.spec sources Log Message: update to 1.25 Index: .cvsignore

Re: PROPOSAL: Fedora user survey

2010-03-09 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 03/09/2010 03:57 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote: > On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 08:51 -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: > >> We get the users we aim for. > > Not really true. We don't aim at all, and we only get the users that can > bear to stay with us... > >> Here's the camps I see: >> >> 1. One group wants us to

rpms/perl-Set-Scalar/EL-5 perl-Set-Scalar.spec, 1.3, 1.4 sources, 1.3, 1.4

2010-03-09 Thread Tom Callaway
Author: spot Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-Set-Scalar/EL-5 In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv7398/EL-5 Modified Files: perl-Set-Scalar.spec sources Log Message: update to 1.25 Index: perl-Set-Scalar.spec ===

Re: Proposed udpates policy change

2010-03-09 Thread Ewan Mac Mahon
On Mon, Mar 08, 2010 at 11:12:11PM +, Matthew Garrett wrote: > On Mon, Mar 08, 2010 at 11:21:45PM +0100, Sven Lankes wrote: > > > > If Fesco is aiming at getting rid of all the pesky packagers maintaining low > > profile packages: You're well on your way. > > So, no, that's not the intent and

Re: Proposed udpates policy change

2010-03-09 Thread Joe Orton
On Tue, Mar 09, 2010 at 02:20:20PM +0100, Mathieu Bridon wrote: > On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 10:51, Joe Orton wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 08, 2010 at 09:59:29PM +, Matthew Garrett wrote: > >> It is the expectation of Fesco that the majority of updates should > >> easily be able to garner the necessary

Re: PROPOSAL: Fedora user survey

2010-03-09 Thread Konstantin Ryabitsev
On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 8:51 AM, Seth Vidal wrote: > Here's the camps I see: > > 1. One group wants us to aim for mom/pop/grandma/desktop users - the > apple market or what ubuntu aims for. > > 2. one group wants us to aim exclusively for the bleeding edge open > source developer market. > > 3. one

rpms/perl-Net-STOMP-Client/F-12 perl-Net-STOMP-Client.spec, NONE, 1.1 sources, 1.1, 1.2

2010-03-09 Thread stevetraylen
Author: stevetraylen Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-Net-STOMP-Client/F-12 In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv31470/F-12 Modified Files: sources Added Files: perl-Net-STOMP-Client.spec Log Message: Populate branches. --- NEW FILE perl-Net-STOMP-Client.spec ---

Re: PROPOSAL: Fedora user survey

2010-03-09 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
On Tuesday 09 March 2010 15:57:05 Matthias Clasen wrote: > On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 08:51 -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: > > We get the users we aim for. > > Not really true. We don't aim at all, and we only get the users that can > bear to stay with us... > > > Here's the camps I see: > > > > 1. One gro

Re: X.org on F13 Alpha and monitor setup

2010-03-09 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 07:45 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 15:43 +0100, Stefan Schulze Frielinghaus wrote: > > I'm wondering because before F10 was installed, and I even did not need > > to setup a modeline. Everything was automatically configured by X.org. > > If your monit

[Bug 567120] perl-Set-Scalar: please update to v1.25 and create EPEL branches

2010-03-09 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=567120 --- Comment #7 from Fedora Update System 2010-03-09 11:12:17 EST --- perl-Set-Scalar-1.25-1.el5 has been submitted as an update

Re: Proposed udpates policy change

2010-03-09 Thread Seth Vidal
On Tue, 9 Mar 2010, Matthew Garrett wrote: > On Tue, Mar 09, 2010 at 03:26:15PM +0100, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski > wrote: > >> -1 to this. I've packaged a number of things that I know just one user of. >> I have no idea how many people actually use my packages or how to reach >> them. Ther

Re: Announcing `gold-rebuild' - link your packages with gold now

2010-03-09 Thread Michal Nowak
- "Jakub Jelinek" wrote: > On Mon, Mar 08, 2010 at 06:44:18AM -0500, Michal Nowak wrote: > > So far when rebuilding Base group: TOTAL: 99 PASS: 84 FAIL: 15 > > See attachment for complete list. Regarding fails, they are being > > classified by the script so you can easily figure out, where m

rpms/perl-Set-Scalar/F-13 perl-Set-Scalar.spec, 1.8, 1.9 sources, 1.4, 1.5

2010-03-09 Thread Tom Callaway
Author: spot Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-Set-Scalar/F-13 In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv11905 Modified Files: perl-Set-Scalar.spec sources Log Message: update to 1.25 Index: perl-Set-Scalar.spec ===

Re: PROPOSAL: Fedora user survey

2010-03-09 Thread Terry Barnaby
On 09/03/10 15:49, Matt Domsch wrote: > On Tue, Mar 09, 2010 at 03:30:37PM +, Terry Barnaby wrote: >> I personally thought the old 12 month RedHat Linux release cycle was about >> right. > > RHL was also on a 6 month release cycle. > Shows how good my memory is :) Mind you, even then, I only up

[Bug 567120] perl-Set-Scalar: please update to v1.25 and create EPEL branches

2010-03-09 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=567120 --- Comment #8 from Jose Pedro Oliveira 2010-03-09 11:29:19 EST --- Spot, Thanks! jpo -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzill

Re: Announcing `gold-rebuild' - link your packages with gold now

2010-03-09 Thread Michal Nowak
- "Richard Hughes" wrote: > On 8 March 2010 11:44, Michal Nowak wrote: > > Past months I spent investigating `gold' - the new GNU linker > > and how it now works with stock Fedora packages. > > Using gold, I get: > > /usr/bin/ld: --no-add-needed: unknown option > /usr/bin/ld: use the --he

Re: PROPOSAL: Fedora user survey

2010-03-09 Thread Terry Barnaby
On 09/03/10 15:26, Seth Vidal wrote: > > > On Tue, 9 Mar 2010, Konstantin Ryabitsev wrote: > >> On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 8:51 AM, Seth Vidal wrote: >>> Here's the camps I see: >>> >>> 1. One group wants us to aim for mom/pop/grandma/desktop users - the >>> apple market or what ubuntu aims for. >>> >

KDE-SIG meeting report (10/2010)

2010-03-09 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
This is a report of the weekly KDE-SIG-Meeting with a summary of the topics that were discussed. If you want to add a comment please reply to this email or add it to the related meeting page. -- = Weekly KDE Summary

[Bug 567120] perl-Set-Scalar: please update to v1.25 and create EPEL branches

2010-03-09 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=567120 --- Comment #9 from Fedora Update System 2010-03-09 11:40:57 EST --- perl-Set-Scalar-1.25-1.fc13 has been submitted as an updat

Re: [389-devel] Please review: Add support for additional schema/matching rules included with 389

2010-03-09 Thread Noriko Hosoi
(2010?03?08? 19:54), Rich Megginson wrote: -- 389-devel mailing list 389-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/389-devel ack. --noriko -- 389-devel mailing list 389-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/389-devel

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