Re: the tragedy of Fedora Live USB conversion and what we can do about it

2014-08-29 Thread Ben Cotton
On Aug 29, 2014 5:21 AM, "Adam Williamson" wrote: > > To edit the > doc guide I'd have to go and deal with docbook and come up with a git > patch and submit it for review by docs team, which isn't really a > terribly high bar but is still harder than 'edit wiki page, now you're > done', especially

Re: the tragedy of Fedora Live USB conversion and what we can do about it

2014-08-29 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2014-08-04 at 04:24 -0400, Kamil Paral wrote: > Even though luc has so many issues, and even though our Fedora wiki > guide [1] no longer lists is as the first option, I had the notion > that it was already *the tool* recommended by default. Because > fedoraproject.org only links to our do

Re: the tragedy of Fedora Live USB conversion and what we can do about it

2014-08-04 Thread Kamil Paral
> So I want to inject a note of caution on this one. A few of us who deal > with boot stuff - me for QA purposes, mjg59 and pjones who actually know > what's going on, and lmacken who maintains luc right now - talked this > over a few months back, and what would like to do with luc is kill it, > or

Re: the tragedy of Fedora Live USB conversion and what we can do about it - dd + script?

2014-08-01 Thread Philip Rhoades
People, On 2014-08-02 05:06, Thomas C.Gilliard wrote: What about offering liveusb-creator at the first place instead of ISO? Actually, this might be a great idea. Not "instead", but if we provided two buttons instead of one: [Download DVD image] [Download USB installer] people would immediate

Re: the tragedy of Fedora Live USB conversion and what we can do about it

2014-08-01 Thread Thomas Gilliard
On 8/1/2014 12:45 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2014-08-01 at 12:06 -0700, Thomas C.Gilliard wrote: Previous post: "A problem is that the .iso versions offered for download in the liveusb-creator GUI always seem to lag behind." So a technical note on this one: luc can actually retrieve

Re: the tragedy of Fedora Live USB conversion and what we can do about it

2014-08-01 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2014-08-01 at 12:06 -0700, Thomas C.Gilliard wrote: > Previous post: > "A problem is that the .iso versions offered for download in the > liveusb-creator GUI always seem to lag behind." So a technical note on this one: luc can actually retrieve an up to date list of ISOs from the mirror

Re: the tragedy of Fedora Live USB conversion and what we can do about it

2014-08-01 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2014-08-01 at 08:21 -0400, Kamil Paral wrote: > > What about offering liveusb-creator at the first place instead of ISO? > > Actually, this might be a great idea. Not "instead", but if we provided two > buttons instead of one: So I want to inject a note of caution on this one. A few of u

Re: the tragedy of Fedora Live USB conversion and what we can do about it

2014-08-01 Thread Thomas C.Gilliard
What about offering liveusb-creator at the first place instead of ISO? Actually, this might be a great idea. Not "instead", but if we provided two buttons instead of one: [Download DVD image] [Download USB installer] people would immediately saw the difference. If they were after USB installati

Re: the tragedy of Fedora Live USB conversion and what we can do about it

2014-08-01 Thread Kamil Paral
> > Some ideas: > > 1. First and foremost, we should obviously consider whether we can make > > some compose changes that would make the image more compatible with > > third-party USB installers. That's very technical, but I hope relevant > > people could provide some comments here. > > > > I sup

Re: the tragedy of Fedora Live USB conversion and what we can do about it

2014-08-01 Thread Kamil Paral
> What about offering liveusb-creator at the first place instead of ISO? Actually, this might be a great idea. Not "instead", but if we provided two buttons instead of one: [Download DVD image] [Download USB installer] people would immediately saw the difference. If they were after USB instal

Re: the tragedy of Fedora Live USB conversion and what we can do about it

2014-07-31 Thread Naheem Zaffar
Longer term, would turning this "stateless" via new systemd features be helpful?. On 31 July 2014 18:13, Brian C. Lane wrote: > On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 05:04:16AM -0400, Kamil Paral wrote: > >> Some ideas: >> 1. First and foremost, we should obviously consider whether we can make some >> compose

Re: the tragedy of Fedora Live USB conversion and what we can do about it

2014-07-31 Thread Brian C. Lane
On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 05:04:16AM -0400, Kamil Paral wrote: > Some ideas: > 1. First and foremost, we should obviously consider whether we can make some > compose changes that would make the image more compatible with third-party > USB installers. That's very technical, but I hope relevant peop

the tragedy of Fedora Live USB conversion and what we can do about it

2014-07-31 Thread Kamil Paral
It's a well-known fact in our circles that third-party USB conversion tools (like UNetbootin or Universal USB Installer) can't create Fedora Live USB correctly. Unfortunately, it is not well known among our users (I see it very often on test list, IRC, or local fedora.cz website/forums) and even