Re: systemd-219 issues with 22 and Rawhide composes

On Mon, 2 Mar 2015 08:42:25 -0800 "Brian C. Lane" wrote: > The underlying problem here is that it isn't just created when it is > missing. It is created *before* other tools have a chance to create > it. As I explained in 1197204 the boot.iso is created without a > /etc/resolv.conf, this means th

Re: systemd-219 issues with 22 and Rawhide composes

On Mon, 2015-03-02 at 08:42 -0800, Brian C. Lane wrote: > On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 04:21:51PM +0100, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 08:18:12AM -0500, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > > > On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Lennart Poettering > > > wrote: > > > > On Mon, 23.0

Re: systemd-219 issues with 22 and Rawhide composes

On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 04:21:51PM +0100, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 08:18:12AM -0500, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Lennart Poettering > > wrote: > > > On Mon, 23.02.15 08:45, Nico Kadel-Garcia (nka...@gmail.com) wrote: > > > > [

Re: systemd-219 issues with 22 and Rawhide composes

On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 08:18:12AM -0500, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Lennart Poettering > wrote: > > On Mon, 23.02.15 08:45, Nico Kadel-Garcia (nka...@gmail.com) wrote: > > [ notes snipped, ] > > > You know, that systemd creates a symlink if the file is missing

Re: systemd-219 issues with 22 and Rawhide composes

On 02/27/2015 01:18 PM, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: >On Mon, 23.02.15 08:45, Nico Kadel-Garcia (nka...@gmail.com) wrote: [ notes snipped, ] >You know, that systemd creates a symlink if the file is missing is not >going to change beh

Re: systemd-219 issues with 22 and Rawhide composes

On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 8:18 AM, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > Look, deciding to ignore the File System Hierarchy for installing > config files and creating new locations to store system configuration > is part of what killed the old "daemontools" init system replacement. > tool. You and the other d

Re: systemd-219 issues with 22 and Rawhide composes

On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Mon, 23.02.15 08:45, Nico Kadel-Garcia (nka...@gmail.com) wrote: [ notes snipped, ] > You know, that systemd creates a symlink if the file is missing is not > going to change behaviour of anything, since it will only do something >

Re: systemd-219 issues with 22 and Rawhide composes

On 02/26/2015 03:58 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 26.02.2015 um 16:54 schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: On 02/26/2015 03:49 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: and without the "ownership model" it would have been prevented what model would you use? you can't only say "that model is wrong" without any alter

Re: systemd-219 issues with 22 and Rawhide composes

On 02/26/2015 03:49 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: and without the "ownership model" it would have been prevented what model would you use? you can't only say "that model is wrong" without any alternative I have already mentioned alternative before no need to repeat that proposal to you. Bott

Re: systemd-219 issues with 22 and Rawhide composes

Am 26.02.2015 um 16:54 schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: On 02/26/2015 03:49 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: and without the "ownership model" it would have been prevented what model would you use? you can't only say "that model is wrong" without any alternative I have already mentioned alternative be

Re: systemd-219 issues with 22 and Rawhide composes

Am 26.02.2015 um 16:37 schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: On 02/26/2015 02:10 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: really? why? how do you come to that weird conclusion? surely, one can say "not my package, not my problem" but that's ignorant and needs no guidelines and policies - sanity should be enough I

Re: systemd-219 issues with 22 and Rawhide composes

On 02/26/2015 02:10 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: really? why? how do you come to that weird conclusion? surely, one can say "not my package, not my problem" but that's ignorant and needs no guidelines and policies - sanity should be enough I guess you did not grasp I was referring to the ow

Re: systemd-219 issues with 22 and Rawhide composes

Am 26.02.2015 um 15:05 schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: On 02/26/2015 01:29 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 05:13:53PM +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote: Sure I have a stake in systemd, but certainly none in fedora-release.rpm. But even for systemd, there are a number of people

Re: systemd-219 issues with 22 and Rawhide composes

On 02/26/2015 01:29 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 05:13:53PM +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote: Sure I have a stake in systemd, but certainly none in fedora-release.rpm. But even for systemd, there are a number of people Sorry for the somewhat slow reply, but I've been think

Re: systemd-219 issues with 22 and Rawhide composes

On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 05:13:53PM +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote: > Sure I have a stake in systemd, but certainly none in > fedora-release.rpm. But even for systemd, there are a number of people Sorry for the somewhat slow reply, but I've been thinking about all of this I guess, primarily, w

Re: systemd-219 issues with 22 and Rawhide composes

On 02/23/2015 05:51 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 04:02:50PM -0500, Colin Walters wrote: There are patches waiting in: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1116651 And I think almost every poster so far in this thread has the technical knowledge to revi

Re: systemd-219 issues with 22 and Rawhide composes

On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 04:02:50PM -0500, Colin Walters wrote: > There are patches waiting in: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1116651 > > And I think almost every poster so far in this thread has the technical > knowledge to review them. Yeah, sorry, I previously looked at the ana

Re: systemd-219 issues with 22 and Rawhide composes

There are patches waiting in: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1116651 And I think almost every poster so far in this thread has the technical knowledge to review them. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora C

Re: systemd-219 issues with 22 and Rawhide composes

On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 07:56:50AM -0800, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: > On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 7:43 AM, Lennart Poettering > wrote: > > On Mon, 23.02.15 08:45, Nico Kadel-Garcia (nka...@gmail.com) wrote: > > > >> > Hey! Come on. Everything that systemd does is create a symlink for > >> > /etc/resolv

Re: systemd-219 issues with 22 and Rawhide composes

> Communication is a two way street, and as an upstream I cannot be in > the business of pinging every single downstream about every single > change individually, in particular if I consider the change > unimportant. Sure, that makes sense. > To learn about changes upstream, please follow the ups

Re: systemd-219 issues with 22 and Rawhide composes

On Mon, 2015-02-23 at 16:29 +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Mon, 23.02.15 08:52, Simo Sorce (s...@redhat.com) wrote: > > > On Mon, 2015-02-23 at 14:40 +0100, drago01 wrote: > > > On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 2:17 PM, David Cantrell > > > wrote: > > > > That is, and I am trying to > > > > be sp

Re: systemd-219 issues with 22 and Rawhide composes

On Mon, 23.02.15 10:52, David Cantrell (dcantr...@redhat.com) wrote: > On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 04:27:22PM +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote: > > On Mon, 23.02.15 08:17, David Cantrell (dcantr...@redhat.com) wrote: > > > > > > Communication is a two way street, and as an upstream I cannot be in > >

Re: systemd-219 issues with 22 and Rawhide composes

On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 7:43 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Mon, 23.02.15 08:45, Nico Kadel-Garcia (nka...@gmail.com) wrote: > >> > Hey! Come on. Everything that systemd does is create a symlink for >> > /etc/resolv.conf if nothing else has created on for that. If something >> > else created a

Re: systemd-219 issues with 22 and Rawhide composes

Hi On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:35 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > And seriously, Rahul Sundaram is hardly a "third party person". He's one > of the active maintainers of systemd package, which you can easily > check in the pkgdb, as well as your colleague from Red Hat. > Neither is corr

Re: systemd-219 issues with 22 and Rawhide composes

On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 04:27:22PM +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Mon, 23.02.15 08:17, David Cantrell (dcantr...@redhat.com) wrote: > > > > Communication is a two way street, and as an upstream I cannot be in > > > the business of pinging every single downstream about every single > > > cha

Re: systemd-219 issues with 22 and Rawhide composes

On Mon, 23.02.15 08:45, Nico Kadel-Garcia (nka...@gmail.com) wrote: > > Hey! Come on. Everything that systemd does is create a symlink for > > /etc/resolv.conf if nothing else has created on for that. If something > > else created and owned that file, it leaves the thing alone. That's > > all. It'

Re: systemd-219 issues with 22 and Rawhide composes

On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 11:04:13AM -0600, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 17:36:17 +0100 > Lennart Poettering wrote: > > > On Fri, 20.02.15 16:24, Peter Robinson (pbrobin...@gmail.com) wrote: > > > > > >> > Sorry for the inconvenience and feel free to add bugs to the > > > >> > track

Re: systemd-219 issues with 22 and Rawhide composes

On Mon, 23.02.15 08:52, Simo Sorce (s...@redhat.com) wrote: > On Mon, 2015-02-23 at 14:40 +0100, drago01 wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 2:17 PM, David Cantrell > > wrote: > > > That is, and I am trying to > > > be specific here, changes that impact other components in the distribution > > >

Re: systemd-219 issues with 22 and Rawhide composes

On Mon, 23.02.15 08:17, David Cantrell (dcantr...@redhat.com) wrote: > > Communication is a two way street, and as an upstream I cannot be in > > the business of pinging every single downstream about every single > > change individually, in particular if I consider the change > > unimportant. > >

Re: systemd-219 issues with 22 and Rawhide composes

On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 08:45:56AM -0500, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 11:36 AM, Lennart Poettering > wrote: > > On Fri, 20.02.15 16:24, Peter Robinson (pbrobin...@gmail.com) wrote: > > > >> >> > Sorry for the inconvenience and feel free to add bugs to the tracker, > >> >> >

Re: systemd-219 issues with 22 and Rawhide composes

On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 11:36 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Fri, 20.02.15 16:24, Peter Robinson (pbrobin...@gmail.com) wrote: > >> >> > Sorry for the inconvenience and feel free to add bugs to the tracker, >> >> > which are >> >> > caused by systemd changes and have to be fixed in other comp

Re: systemd-219 issues with 22 and Rawhide composes

On Mon, 2015-02-23 at 14:40 +0100, drago01 wrote: > On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 2:17 PM, David Cantrell wrote: > > That is, and I am trying to > > be specific here, changes that impact other components in the distribution > > need to be coordinated in Fedora among the affected components. > > Almost

Re: systemd-219 issues with 22 and Rawhide composes

On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 2:17 PM, David Cantrell wrote: > That is, and I am trying to > be specific here, changes that impact other components in the distribution > need to be coordinated in Fedora among the affected components. Almost every change might "affect other components" ... it might be

Re: systemd-219 issues with 22 and Rawhide composes

On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 01:23:01PM +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Fri, 20.02.15 11:48, Dennis Gilmore (den...@ausil.us) wrote: > > > > While moving it is great, it's not really that important to move it. > > > > > > I mean, moving it is useful in the context of stateless systems that > >

Re: systemd-219 issues with 22 and Rawhide composes

On Fri, 20.02.15 11:49, Dennis Gilmore (den...@ausil.us) wrote: > > > > A recent example, systemd decided that os-release needed to be > > > > moved to /usr/lib/ I did not see any notification on devel@ nor > > > > was i contacted directly. the first I heard of it was a third > > > > party person

Re: systemd-219 issues with 22 and Rawhide composes

On Fri, 20.02.15 11:48, Dennis Gilmore (den...@ausil.us) wrote: > > While moving it is great, it's not really that important to move it. > > > > I mean, moving it is useful in the context of stateless systems that > > can boot up with empty /etc. However, Fedora is so far away from that, > > tha

Re: systemd-219 issues with 22 and Rawhide composes

On Fri, Feb 20, 2015, at 12:48 PM, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > > communication would have avoided some of the discussion in > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1149568 Which btw, caused https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1192276 Could you review? I'm fixing this in OSTree too, ht

Re: systemd-219 issues with 22 and Rawhide composes

On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 18:12:29 +0100 Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Fri, 20.02.15 11:07, Dennis Gilmore (den...@ausil.us) wrote: > > > On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 11:04:13 -0600 > > Dennis Gilmore wrote: > > > > > On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 17:36:17 +0100 > > > Lennart Poettering wrote: > > > > > > > On Fri,

Re: systemd-219 issues with 22 and Rawhide composes

On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 18:11:38 +0100 Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Fri, 20.02.15 11:04, Dennis Gilmore (den...@ausil.us) wrote: > > > On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 17:36:17 +0100 > > Lennart Poettering wrote: > > > > > On Fri, 20.02.15 16:24, Peter Robinson (pbrobin...@gmail.com) > > > wrote: > > > > >

Re: systemd-219 issues with 22 and Rawhide composes

On Fri, 20.02.15 11:04, Dennis Gilmore (den...@ausil.us) wrote: > On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 17:36:17 +0100 > Lennart Poettering wrote: > > > On Fri, 20.02.15 16:24, Peter Robinson (pbrobin...@gmail.com) wrote: > > > > > >> > Sorry for the inconvenience and feel free to add bugs to the > > > >> > trac

Re: systemd-219 issues with 22 and Rawhide composes

On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 04:52:20PM +, Peter Robinson wrote: > >> >> > Sorry for the inconvenience and feel free to add bugs to the tracker, > >> >> > which are > >> >> > caused by systemd changes and have to be fixed in other components. > >> >> > >> >> Are you going to start notifying deve@ o

Re: systemd-219 issues with 22 and Rawhide composes

On Fri, 20.02.15 11:07, Dennis Gilmore (den...@ausil.us) wrote: > On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 11:04:13 -0600 > Dennis Gilmore wrote: > > > On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 17:36:17 +0100 > > Lennart Poettering wrote: > > > > > On Fri, 20.02.15 16:24, Peter Robinson (pbrobin...@gmail.com) wrote: > > > > > > > >> >

Re: systemd-219 issues with 22 and Rawhide composes

On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 11:04:13 -0600 Dennis Gilmore wrote: > On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 17:36:17 +0100 > Lennart Poettering wrote: > > > On Fri, 20.02.15 16:24, Peter Robinson (pbrobin...@gmail.com) wrote: > > > > > >> > Sorry for the inconvenience and feel free to add bugs to the > > > >> > tracker, w

Re: systemd-219 issues with 22 and Rawhide composes

On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 17:36:17 +0100 Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Fri, 20.02.15 16:24, Peter Robinson (pbrobin...@gmail.com) wrote: > > > >> > Sorry for the inconvenience and feel free to add bugs to the > > >> > tracker, which are caused by systemd changes and have to be > > >> > fixed in other

Re: systemd-219 issues with 22 and Rawhide composes

On Fri, 2015-02-20 at 17:43 +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: > On 02/20/2015 05:11 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > > > Also, NM fixed a similar issue with /etc/resolve.conf in their code a > > long time ago, to my knowledge. Am I so misguided to assume that > > Anaconda can fix a fricking file copy to

Re: systemd-219 issues with 22 and Rawhide composes

>> >> > Sorry for the inconvenience and feel free to add bugs to the tracker, >> >> > which are >> >> > caused by systemd changes and have to be fixed in other components. >> >> >> >> Are you going to start notifying deve@ of upcoming changes that may >> >> impact other areas of the distro too rat

Re: systemd-219 issues with 22 and Rawhide composes

On 02/20/2015 05:11 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > Also, NM fixed a similar issue with /etc/resolve.conf in their code a > long time ago, to my knowledge. Am I so misguided to assume that > Anaconda can fix a fricking file copy too, in all those months? Maybe it is time to step back and consider

Re: systemd-219 issues with 22 and Rawhide composes

Hi On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 11:11 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > How many months would you like me to notify people in advance of a > simple change like this? Isn't 6 month *ample* time? > > The problem isn't necessarily the speed of change but the amount of caution and attention paid to inform

Re: systemd-219 issues with 22 and Rawhide composes

On Fri, 20.02.15 16:24, Peter Robinson (pbrobin...@gmail.com) wrote: > >> > Sorry for the inconvenience and feel free to add bugs to the tracker, > >> > which are > >> > caused by systemd changes and have to be fixed in other components. > >> > >> Are you going to start notifying deve@ of upcomin

Re: systemd-219 issues with 22 and Rawhide composes

On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 4:11 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Fri, 20.02.15 16:03, Peter Robinson (pbrobin...@gmail.com) wrote: > >> On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 3:47 PM, Harald Hoyer wrote: >> > To prevent surprises on the next systemd updates like in >> >

Re: systemd-219 issues with 22 and Rawhide composes

On Fri, 20.02.15 16:03, Peter Robinson (pbrobin...@gmail.com) wrote: > On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 3:47 PM, Harald Hoyer wrote: > > To prevent surprises on the next systemd updates like in > > , we will not apply > > workarounds anymore in rawhide

Re: systemd-219 issues with 22 and Rawhide composes

On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 3:47 PM, Harald Hoyer wrote: > To prevent surprises on the next systemd updates like in > , we will not apply > workarounds anymore in rawhide and track the issues on >

systemd-219 issues with 22 and Rawhide composes

To prevent surprises on the next systemd updates like in , we will not apply workarounds anymore in rawhide and track the issues on so, that they are not forgotten. We removed t