Re: rawhide rocks! [was Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)]

2010-08-30 Thread Jesse Keating
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 8/30/10 4:50 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 01:05:34AM +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: >> No, for rawhide to really be useful, it must be possible to put >> unfinished system-wide changes in there: it would be pretty much >> imposs

Re: rawhide rocks! [was Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)]

2010-08-30 Thread Jon Masters
On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 19:52 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 04:30:44PM -0700, darrell pfeifer wrote: > > I've moved from being a rawhide junkie to a koji junkie. I've been in that > > mode for the last five or six years. My experience has been that rawhide is > > most unstabl

Re: rawhide rocks! [was Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)]

2010-08-30 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 04:30:44PM -0700, darrell pfeifer wrote: > I've moved from being a rawhide junkie to a koji junkie. I've been in that > mode for the last five or six years. My experience has been that rawhide is > most unstable just around alpha time. That is no longer the case. See: http

Re: rawhide rocks! [was Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)]

2010-08-30 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 01:05:34AM +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > No, for rawhide to really be useful, it must be possible to put > unfinished system-wide changes in there: it would be pretty much > impossible to integrate systemd into the distribution on a "branch", and > to add it into rawhide on

Re: rawhide rocks! [was Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)]

2010-08-30 Thread darrell pfeifer
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 15:56, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:11:06PM +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > > A typical developer wants the dependencies of the software they are > > working on to be _very_ up to date - probably not the upstream > > development version, but the upstre

Re: rawhide rocks! [was Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)]

2010-08-30 Thread Miloslav Trmač
Matthew Miller píše v Po 30. 08. 2010 v 18:56 -0400: > On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:11:06PM +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > > A typical developer wants the dependencies of the software they are > > working on to be _very_ up to date - probably not the upstream > > development version, but the upstrea

rawhide rocks! [was Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)]

2010-08-30 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:11:06PM +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > A typical developer wants the dependencies of the software they are > working on to be _very_ up to date - probably not the upstream > development version, but the upstream maintenance version with _all_ > current bug fixes. Waiting