Re: prefered way of configuring X11 keyboard layouts in F18

2013-01-04 Thread Joel Rees
On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 7:23 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Mon, 2012-12-31 at 15:01 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > >> As discussed in the bug, if systemd-localed is doing 'fuzzy matching' it >> may be the case that we actually get a decent match for most layouts, >> I'll have to do more testing.

Re: prefered way of configuring X11 keyboard layouts in F18

2013-01-03 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2012-12-31 at 15:01 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > As discussed in the bug, if systemd-localed is doing 'fuzzy matching' it > may be the case that we actually get a decent match for most layouts, > I'll have to do more testing. But the situation is clearly different to > the F17 one in th

Re: prefered way of configuring X11 keyboard layouts in F18

2013-01-03 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 01.01.13 10:48, Joel Rees (joel.r...@gmail.com) wrote: > On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 1:03 AM, Lennart Poettering > wrote: > > On Mon, 31.12.12 07:38, John Reiser (jrei...@bitwagon.com) wrote: > > > >> > Cool, then write a sane tool that converts them online that doesn't pull > >> > in Perl an

Re: prefered way of configuring X11 keyboard layouts in F18

2013-01-01 Thread Joel Rees
On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 1:03 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Mon, 31.12.12 07:38, John Reiser (jrei...@bitwagon.com) wrote: > >> > Cool, then write a sane tool that converts them online that doesn't pull >> > in Perl and whatnot, >> >> Is 'awk' available? 'sed'? 'bash'? (I'm not kidding. Som

Re: prefered way of configuring X11 keyboard layouts in F18

2012-12-31 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sun, 2012-12-30 at 17:53 +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > Also, > > it's hardly a regression in comparison to older Fedora... > > i18n has moved a long way since the 90's. Being stuck in the past may be > not a regression but it's nothing to be proud of. In addition to this, though the numbe

Re: prefered way of configuring X11 keyboard layouts in F18

2012-12-31 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Mon, 31.12.12 07:38, John Reiser (jrei...@bitwagon.com) wrote: > > Cool, then write a sane tool that converts them online that doesn't pull > > in Perl and whatnot, > > Is 'awk' available? 'sed'? 'bash'? (I'm not kidding. Some systems > prefer 'dash', which lacks arrays and other hard-to-

Re: prefered way of configuring X11 keyboard layouts in F18

2012-12-31 Thread John Reiser
> Cool, then write a sane tool that converts them online that doesn't pull > in Perl and whatnot, Is 'awk' available? 'sed'? 'bash'? (I'm not kidding. Some systems prefer 'dash', which lacks arrays and other hard-to-substitute features.) How much of 'python' is allowed? 'lua'? In other word

Re: prefered way of configuring X11 keyboard layouts in F18

2012-12-31 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Sun, 30.12.12 17:53, Nicolas Mailhot (nicolas.mail...@laposte.net) wrote: > It's not a shortcoming of the classic console keymap system > > It's a shortcoming of using a separate layout source for the console. Cool, then write a sane tool that converts them online that doesn't pull in Perl an

Re: prefered way of configuring X11 keyboard layouts in F18

2012-12-30 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Lun 24 décembre 2012 12:56, Lennart Poettering a écrit : > On Fri, 21.12.12 16:11, Adam Williamson (awill...@redhat.com) wrote: >> If I have everything right, anaconda is offering a keymap list that it >> derives from xkb. I'm having trouble counting precisely how many layouts >> it offers, bu

Re: prefered way of configuring X11 keyboard layouts in F18

2012-12-24 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Fri, 21.12.12 16:11, Adam Williamson (awill...@redhat.com) wrote: > On Fri, 2012-12-21 at 16:57 +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote: > > > > The database is bitrotten and even it it wasn't most modern layouts do not > > > exist kbd-side at all. Most layouts with perfect mapping are old legacy > >

Re: prefered way of configuring X11 keyboard layouts in F18

2012-12-21 Thread Ray Strode
On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Sérgio Basto wrote: > On Qui, 2012-12-20 at 20:16 +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: >> IIRC, an anaconda bug already exists (don't remember the number, I do >> remember answering some questions Mismo asked about the Debian system >> there) > > I need the number https:

Re: prefered way of configuring X11 keyboard layouts in F18

2012-12-21 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2012-12-21 at 16:57 +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote: > > The database is bitrotten and even it it wasn't most modern layouts do not > > exist kbd-side at all. Most layouts with perfect mapping are old legacy > > ascii layouts. They are still in xkb-config for historical reasons but in > >

Re: prefered way of configuring X11 keyboard layouts in F18

2012-12-21 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Thu, 20.12.12 19:05, Nicolas Mailhot (nicolas.mail...@laposte.net) wrote: > >> The "conversion" (as systemd-localed calls it) works really poorly also > >> for the Czech keymaps/layouts. 'cz' X11 layout is "converted" to > >> 'cz-lat2' which works like 'us' until you hit the "Pause Break" key.

Re: prefered way of configuring X11 keyboard layouts in F18

2012-12-20 Thread Sérgio Basto
On Qui, 2012-12-20 at 20:16 +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > IIRC, an anaconda bug already exists (don't remember the number, I do > remember answering some questions Mismo asked about the Debian system > there) I need the number Thanks , -- Sérgio M. B. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fed

Re: prefered way of configuring X11 keyboard layouts in F18

2012-12-20 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Jeu 20 décembre 2012 20:04, Bill Nottingham a écrit : > Nicolas Mailhot (nicolas.mail...@laposte.net) said: >> If you really want to support console keyboard layouts in systemd, you >> need to start generating console layouts from xkb-config, not adopt the >> old anaconda mapping bandaid > > Th

Re: prefered way of configuring X11 keyboard layouts in F18

2012-12-20 Thread Bill Nottingham
Nicolas Mailhot (nicolas.mail...@laposte.net) said: > If you really want to support console keyboard layouts in systemd, you > need to start generating console layouts from xkb-config, not adopt the > old anaconda mapping bandaid There's already a bug for this, but the runtime perl dependencies i

Re: prefered way of configuring X11 keyboard layouts in F18

2012-12-20 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Jeu 20 décembre 2012 19:32, Rahul Sundaram a écrit : > Hi, > > > On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > >> >> If you really want to support console keyboard layouts in systemd, you >> need to start generating console layouts from xkb-config, not adopt the >> old anaconda map

Re: prefered way of configuring X11 keyboard layouts in F18

2012-12-20 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi, On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > If you really want to support console keyboard layouts in systemd, you > need to start generating console layouts from xkb-config, not adopt the > old anaconda mapping bandaid > Can you file a bug report against Anaconda and syst

Re: prefered way of configuring X11 keyboard layouts in F18

2012-12-20 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Mer 19 décembre 2012 22:57, Lennart Poettering a écrit : > On Mon, 03.12.12 10:04, Vratislav Podzimek (vpodz...@redhat.com) wrote: > >> The "conversion" (as systemd-localed calls it) works really poorly also >> for the Czech keymaps/layouts. 'cz' X11 layout is "converted" to >> 'cz-lat2' which

Re: prefered way of configuring X11 keyboard layouts in F18

2012-12-19 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Mon, 03.12.12 10:04, Vratislav Podzimek (vpodz...@redhat.com) wrote: > The "conversion" (as systemd-localed calls it) works really poorly also > for the Czech keymaps/layouts. 'cz' X11 layout is "converted" to > 'cz-lat2' which works like 'us' until you hit the "Pause Break" key. > This is real

Re: prefered way of configuring X11 keyboard layouts in F18

2012-12-04 Thread Panu Matilainen
On 12/04/2012 04:59 AM, Peter Hutterer wrote: On Mon, Dec 03, 2012 at 09:20:05AM +0200, Panu Matilainen wrote: On 12/02/2012 10:57 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 12:38 AM, Sérgio Basto wrote: system-config-keyboard should do this: 1. Get the old settings: cat /etc/sys

Re: prefered way of configuring X11 keyboard layouts in F18

2012-12-03 Thread Peter Hutterer
On Mon, Dec 03, 2012 at 09:20:05AM +0200, Panu Matilainen wrote: > On 12/02/2012 10:57 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > >On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 12:38 AM, Sérgio Basto wrote: > >>system-config-keyboard should do this: > >> > >> 1. Get the old settings: cat /etc/sysconfig/keyboard > >> 2. Set t

Re: prefered way of configuring X11 keyboard layouts in F18

2012-12-03 Thread Vratislav Podzimek
On Mon, 2012-12-03 at 09:20 +0200, Panu Matilainen wrote: > On 12/02/2012 10:57 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > > On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 12:38 AM, Sérgio Basto wrote: > >> system-config-keyboard should do this: > >> > >> 1. Get the old settings: cat /etc/sysconfig/keyboard > >> 2. Set the

Re: prefered way of configuring X11 keyboard layouts in F18

2012-12-02 Thread Panu Matilainen
On 12/02/2012 10:57 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 12:38 AM, Sérgio Basto wrote: system-config-keyboard should do this: 1. Get the old settings: cat /etc/sysconfig/keyboard 2. Set the new settings: su -c 'localectl set-x11-keymap [] [] []' 3. Remov

Re: prefered way of configuring X11 keyboard layouts in F18

2012-12-02 Thread Sérgio Basto
On Dom, 2012-12-02 at 19:33 +0200, Oron Peled wrote: > On Saturday 01 December 2012 23:38:49 Sérgio Basto wrote: > > > system-config-keyboard should do this: > > > > > > 1. Get the old settings: cat /etc/sysconfig/keyboard > > > 2. Set the new settings: su -c 'localectl set-x11-keymap > > >

Re: prefered way of configuring X11 keyboard layouts in F18

2012-12-02 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 12:38 AM, Sérgio Basto wrote: > system-config-keyboard should do this: > > 1. Get the old settings: cat /etc/sysconfig/keyboard > 2. Set the new settings: su -c 'localectl set-x11-keymap > [] [] []' > 3. Remove the old configuration file: su -c >

Re: prefered way of configuring X11 keyboard layouts in F18

2012-12-02 Thread Oron Peled
On Saturday 01 December 2012 23:38:49 Sérgio Basto wrote: > system-config-keyboard should do this: > > 1. Get the old settings: cat /etc/sysconfig/keyboard > 2. Set the new settings: su -c 'localectl set-x11-keymap > [] [] []' > 3. Remove the old configuration file: su -c >

Re: prefered way of configuring X11 keyboard layouts in F18

2012-12-01 Thread Sérgio Basto
On Sex, 2012-11-30 at 14:51 +0100, Jan Včelák wrote: > On Friday 30 of November 2012 14:06:03, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: > > I guess now is used /etc/vconsole.conf. Could you add it into upgrade > > page if it works for you? > > Imho it's related to my previous question: > > https://fedorahosted.or

Re: prefered way of configuring X11 keyboard layouts in F18

2012-11-30 Thread Jan Včelák
On Friday 30 of November 2012 14:15:11, Mary Ellen Foster wrote: > For what it's worth, I just upgraded with "fedup" and my keyboard went from > UK English to US English. Just used system-config-keyboard to change it and > that seemed to work ... I tried that and the change was not persistent. At

Re: prefered way of configuring X11 keyboard layouts in F18

2012-11-30 Thread Mary Ellen Foster
On 30 November 2012 12:33, Jan Včelák wrote: > > If 'localectl' is the only supported way, we should add this information to > "Upgrading Fedora using yum" instructions on the wiki. The same with old > kernel options. (I do not know how is this handled in the other upgrade > methods.) > > If the

Re: prefered way of configuring X11 keyboard layouts in F18

2012-11-30 Thread Jan Včelák
On Friday 30 of November 2012 14:06:03, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: > I guess now is used /etc/vconsole.conf. Could you add it into upgrade > page if it works for you? > Imho it's related to my previous question: > https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/963 OK, I added an additional step to the instru

Re: prefered way of configuring X11 keyboard layouts in F18

2012-11-30 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
On 11/30/2012 01:33 PM, Jan Včelák wrote: Hello list, what is the expected way of handling X11 keyboard layouts in Fedora 18? I don't use xorg.conf, the configuration was autodetected from /etc/sysconfig/keyboard (probably) till F17 and it worked just fine. After upgrading to F18 using yum meth

prefered way of configuring X11 keyboard layouts in F18

2012-11-30 Thread Jan Včelák
Hello list, what is the expected way of handling X11 keyboard layouts in Fedora 18? I don't use xorg.conf, the configuration was autodetected from /etc/sysconfig/keyboard (probably) till F17 and it worked just fine. After upgrading to F18 using yum method, my keyboard layout stopped working. S