On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 10:15:55 +0200, Thomas wrote:
> Meant to write "PackageKit". And this is surely a PackageKit bug.
>
> Today this happened again, for the awn-extras-applets package, which
> also self-obsoletes: % rpm -q --obsoletes awn-extras-applets
> awn-extras-applets-devel < 0.4.0-14.fc13
2010/6/11 Stu Tomlinson :
>> At least it causes package-manager to display an irritating (and
>> somehow bogus) warning box that it's going to remove pidgin, and needs
>> confirmation for that.
>
> I'm not sure which "package-manager" this is, but I suggest the fix is
> to make "package-manager" no
Getting back to the topic of this original email...
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 09:40, Thomas Moschny wrote:
> pidgin-2.7.1-2.fc13 obsoletes pidgin <= 2.7.1-1.fc13, is that meaningful?
Yes, it's meaningful because it allows updates to pidgin > 2.7.1-1 to
pull in the pidgin-evolution package without r
I think you guys are experiencing the infinite loop bug
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 1:52 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 05:07:16 +0200, Kevin wrote:
>
>> > It fails for a Yum install. I warn about such competing Obsoletes, because
>> > they strictly require the user to go the "
On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 05:07:16 +0200, Kevin wrote:
> > It fails for a Yum install. I warn about such competing Obsoletes, because
> > they strictly require the user to go the "yum -y update ; yum install ..."
> > route everytime they want to install an additional package.
>
> Installing stuff on a
On Wed, 09 Jun 2010 18:00:15 -0400, James wrote:
> On Wed, 2010-06-09 at 21:38 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote:
> > On Wed, 09 Jun 2010 14:39:52 -0400, James wrote:
> > > And if the user never has pkgA-1 installed, and does "install
> > > pkgA-blah" then that's all they'll get.
> >
> > If you modi
Michael Schwendt wrote:
> It fails for a Yum install. I warn about such competing Obsoletes, because
> they strictly require the user to go the "yum -y update ; yum install ..."
> route everytime they want to install an additional package.
Installing stuff on a non-updated system is playing with f
On Wed, 2010-06-09 at 21:38 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote:
> On Wed, 09 Jun 2010 14:39:52 -0400, James wrote:
> > And if the user never has pkgA-1 installed, and does "install
> > pkgA-blah" then that's all they'll get.
>
> If you modify the scenario, we will talk past eachother.
> The scenario i
On Wed, 09 Jun 2010 14:39:52 -0400, James wrote:
> On Wed, 2010-06-09 at 19:23 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote:
> > On Wed, 09 Jun 2010 13:10:10 -0400, James wrote:
> > > which is to say you have:
> > >
> > > 1. pkgA-1 contains two files: /usr/bin/A and /usr/bin/A-blah
> > >
> > > 2. You now want
On Wed, 2010-06-09 at 19:23 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote:
> On Wed, 09 Jun 2010 13:10:10 -0400, James wrote:
> > which is to say you have:
> >
> > 1. pkgA-1 contains two files: /usr/bin/A and /usr/bin/A-blah
> >
> > 2. You now want to have pkgA-2 and pkgA-blah-2, which each contain a
> > single
On Wed, 09 Jun 2010 13:10:10 -0400, James wrote:
> > On Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:38:48 +0100, Stu wrote:
> >
> > > I implemented it based on recommendations on the yum wiki that I saw
> > > someone else referred to in #fedora-devel :
> > > http://yum.baseurl.org/wiki/YumPackageUpdates#Packagesplit
> >
Le mercredi 09 juin 2010 à 12:19 +0200, Michael Schwendt a écrit :
> You _cannot_ add _optional_ packages to a user's installation _without_
> proper dependencies somewhere else. Attempts at trying to do that with
> Obsoletes are invasive and prone to getting it completely wrong.
Fonts SIG side
On Wed, 2010-06-09 at 18:08 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote:
> On Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:38:48 +0100, Stu wrote:
>
> > I implemented it based on recommendations on the yum wiki that I saw
> > someone else referred to in #fedora-devel :
> > http://yum.baseurl.org/wiki/YumPackageUpdates#Packagesplit
>
>
2010/6/10 Michael Schwendt :
> On Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:38:48 +0100, Stu wrote:
>
>> I implemented it based on recommendations on the yum wiki that I saw
>> someone else referred to in #fedora-devel :
>> http://yum.baseurl.org/wiki/YumPackageUpdates#Packagesplit
>
> Well, that's exactly an example whe
On Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:38:48 +0100, Stu wrote:
> I implemented it based on recommendations on the yum wiki that I saw
> someone else referred to in #fedora-devel :
> http://yum.baseurl.org/wiki/YumPackageUpdates#Packagesplit
Well, that's exactly an example where the two Obsoletes compete with
each
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 11:19, Michael Schwendt wrote:
> On Wed, 9 Jun 2010 14:06:48 +0400, Peter wrote:
>
>> 2010/6/9 Chen Lei:
>>
>> > But in this case, the obsoletes seems excessive, since
>> > pidgin-evolution already depends on pidgin. If pidgin-evolution don't
>> > depend on pidgin, the obso
On Wed, 09 Jun 2010 11:23:49 +0100, Paul wrote:
> The Obsoletes: in pidgin-evo causes pidgin-evo to be pulled in, which is
> fine. The package should obsolete pidgin packages prior to the split but
> not the ones after the split.
Sounds [more] correct.
> > * We need to not erase main pidgin (O
On Wed, 9 Jun 2010, Peter Lemenkov wrote:
> 2010/6/9 Michael Schwendt :
>
>> Competing "Obsoletes" once again. The packager is playing with fire.
>
> Not in this case.
It seems to me that this is using something that happens to work for yum
(and maybe not for other utilities, different yum versi
On 09/06/10 11:06, Peter Lemenkov wrote:
> 2010/6/9 Chen Lei:
>
>> But in this case, the obsoletes seems excessive, since
>> pidgin-evolution already depends on pidgin. If pidgin-evolution don't
>> depend on pidgin, the obsoletes is a must, without it pidgin will be
>> replaced by pidgin-evolution
On Wed, 9 Jun 2010 14:06:48 +0400, Peter wrote:
> 2010/6/9 Chen Lei:
>
> > But in this case, the obsoletes seems excessive, since
> > pidgin-evolution already depends on pidgin. If pidgin-evolution don't
> > depend on pidgin, the obsoletes is a must, without it pidgin will be
> > replaced by pid
2010/6/9 Michael Schwendt :
> On Wed, 9 Jun 2010 14:07:09 +0400, Peter wrote:
>
>> > Competing "Obsoletes" once again. The packager is playing with fire.
>>
>> Not in this case.
>
> Both pidgin-evolution and pidgin obsolete pidgin <= 2.7.1-1.fc13
> Fun for the package resolver.
Ah, yes - version s
2010/6/9 Michael Schwendt :
> On Wed, 9 Jun 2010 14:07:09 +0400, Peter wrote:
>
>> > Competing "Obsoletes" once again. The packager is playing with fire.
>>
>> Not in this case.
>
> Both pidgin-evolution and pidgin obsolete pidgin <= 2.7.1-1.fc13
> Fun for the package resolver.
Then file a bug aga
On Wed, 9 Jun 2010 14:07:09 +0400, Peter wrote:
> > Competing "Obsoletes" once again. The packager is playing with fire.
>
> Not in this case.
Both pidgin-evolution and pidgin obsolete pidgin <= 2.7.1-1.fc13
Fun for the package resolver.
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2010/6/9 Michael Schwendt :
> On Wed, 9 Jun 2010 17:15:01 +0800, Chen wrote:
>
>> > 2010/6/9 Chen Lei:
>> >> Yes, the obsoletes is necessary, if you don't add it, yum will only
>> >> pull in pidgin-evolution.
>> >
>> > For which operation? Can you elaborate a bit?
>> >
>
>> "yum upgrade" from 2.7.1
2010/6/9 Michael Schwendt :
> Competing "Obsoletes" once again. The packager is playing with fire.
Not in this case.
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2010/6/9 Chen Lei :
> But in this case, the obsoletes seems excessive, since
> pidgin-evolution already depends on pidgin. If pidgin-evolution don't
> depend on pidgin, the obsoletes is a must, without it pidgin will be
> replaced by pidgin-evolution.
If it pidgin-evolution was previously in mai
On Wed, 9 Jun 2010 17:15:01 +0800, Chen wrote:
> > 2010/6/9 Chen Lei:
> >> Yes, the obsoletes is necessary, if you don't add it, yum will only
> >> pull in pidgin-evolution.
> >
> > For which operation? Can you elaborate a bit?
> >
> "yum upgrade" from 2.7.1-1 will only pull in new pidgin-evoluti
2010/6/9 Thomas Moschny :
> 2010/6/9 Chen Lei :
>> Yes, the obsoletes is necessary, if you don't add it, yum will only
>> pull in pidgin-evolution.
>
> For which operation? Can you elaborate a bit?
>
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But in this case, the obsoletes seems excessive, since
pidgin-evolution
2010/6/9 Thomas Moschny :
> 2010/6/9 Chen Lei :
>> Yes, the obsoletes is necessary, if you don't add it, yum will only
>> pull in pidgin-evolution.
>
> For which operation? Can you elaborate a bit?
>
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"yum upgrade" from 2.7.1-1 will only pull in new pidgin-evolution
subp
2010/6/9 Chen Lei :
> Yes, the obsoletes is necessary, if you don't add it, yum will only
> pull in pidgin-evolution.
For which operation? Can you elaborate a bit?
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2010/6/9 Thomas Moschny :
> Hi,
>
> pidgin-2.7.1-2.fc13 obsoletes pidgin <= 2.7.1-1.fc13, is that meaningful?
>
> At least it causes package-manager to display an irritating (and
> somehow bogus) warning box that it's going to remove pidgin, and needs
> confirmation for that.
>
> --
> Thomas Moschn
Hi,
pidgin-2.7.1-2.fc13 obsoletes pidgin <= 2.7.1-1.fc13, is that meaningful?
At least it causes package-manager to display an irritating (and
somehow bogus) warning box that it's going to remove pidgin, and needs
confirmation for that.
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