On Fri, Jul 01, 2016 at 02:08:48PM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote:
> So the thing is, I'm genuinely curious why you would want to run a
> desktop OS on either architecture.
For the same reason Fedora puts out releases targeting those
architechures? :)
I'm not wedded to any particular hardware archite
On Fri, Jul 01, 2016 at 01:42:40PM -0400, Solomon Peachy wrote:
> With very few exceptions (eg Gigabyte's mostly-unobtainable MP30-AR0 or
> some locked-down appliance-type servers) they've all been ultra-dense
> high-end boxes (dozens of cores per U) priced into the stratosphere or
> glorified c
On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 1:42 PM, Solomon Peachy wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 01, 2016 at 11:35:27AM -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
>> If I could afford it, I'd pay a significant premium to get a Talos board.
>> But as it is, I'm going to be stuck using second hand, pretty old computers
>> for the foreseeabl
On Fri, Jul 01, 2016 at 11:35:27AM -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> If I could afford it, I'd pay a significant premium to get a Talos board.
> But as it is, I'm going to be stuck using second hand, pretty old computers
> for the foreseeable future.
And even though "significant premium" is a polite
On Fri, Jul 01, 2016 at 00:34:02 -0400,
Gerald Henriksen wrote:
To get developers they need to get a CPU/motherboard combination out
for under $1000, likely closer to $500, as these will be purchases as
a secondary system to "play with" because there is no direct way to
make money as a POWER d
On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 22:07:24 +0200, you wrote:
>On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 15:59:38 -0400
>Solomon Peachy wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 08:04:57PM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
>> > I will just snipe here that the situation would be better if POWER
>> > > 4 hardware was generally available to b
On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 18:01:38 +0200, you wrote:
>> Realistically, it isn't about either specifically. Each iteration of
>> POWER tends to require tuning specifically for that generation if you
>> want to get the most performance out of your software.
>
>Latest CPU features get utilized mostly only
On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 15:59:38 -0400
Solomon Peachy wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 08:04:57PM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> > I will just snipe here that the situation would be better if POWER
> > > 4 hardware was generally available to buy.
>
> The upcoming Raptor Talos POWER8 board [1] lo
On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 08:04:57PM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> I will just snipe here that the situation would be better if POWER > 4
> hardware was generally available to buy.
The upcoming Raptor Talos POWER8 board [1] looks promising, but at $3700
a pop just for the motherboard and an en
On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 12:12:37PM +0200, Dan Horák wrote:
> For ppc64 (the big endian POWER) the base is set by the toolchain
> default which is Power4/ppc970. When Power7 came we were asked what are
> the options to take the advantage of these CPUs, 3 generations newer
> than the base. The soluti
On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 12:01 PM, Jan Kratochvil
wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 16:13:59 +0200, Josh Boyer wrote:
>> On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 9:53 AM, Jan Kratochvil
>> wrote:
>> > But now there is ppc64le for >=Power8. So <=Power7 can use ppc64 but newer
>> >>=Power8 hardware does use ppc64le whi
On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 5:01 PM, Jan Kratochvil
wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 16:13:59 +0200, Josh Boyer wrote:
>> On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 9:53 AM, Jan Kratochvil
>> wrote:
>> > But now there is ppc64le for >=Power8. So <=Power7 can use ppc64 but newer
>> >>=Power8 hardware does use ppc64le whic
On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 16:13:59 +0200, Josh Boyer wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 9:53 AM, Jan Kratochvil
> wrote:
> > But now there is ppc64le for >=Power8. So <=Power7 can use ppc64 but newer
> >>=Power8 hardware does use ppc64le which is already Power8 optimized.
> > So isn't this problem (some
On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 2:53 PM, Jan Kratochvil
wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 12:12:37 +0200, Dan Horák wrote:
>> For ppc64 (the big endian POWER) the base is set by the toolchain
>> default which is Power4/ppc970. When Power7 came we were asked what are
>> the options to take the advantage of thes
On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 9:53 AM, Jan Kratochvil
wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 12:12:37 +0200, Dan Horák wrote:
>> For ppc64 (the big endian POWER) the base is set by the toolchain
>> default which is Power4/ppc970. When Power7 came we were asked what are
>> the options to take the advantage of thes
On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 12:12:37 +0200, Dan Horák wrote:
> For ppc64 (the big endian POWER) the base is set by the toolchain
> default which is Power4/ppc970. When Power7 came we were asked what are
> the options to take the advantage of these CPUs, 3 generations newer
> than the base. The solution was
Hi all,
we were talking about this item for some time, so let's start a thread
for it to have the discussion and hopefully also a solution documented.
This is meant as discussion initiation based on the situation in
Fedora on POWER. I would like to ask the bigger experts than me to fill
the missin
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