Re: glibc in Fedora rawhide now split by langpacks.

2016-03-09 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Mar 09, 2016 at 07:53:44AM +0100, Remi Collet wrote: > I may understand the need. > But what about "server" ? > If you install a webapp which use gettext, the locale will be set > according to the conneected user (ex Horde) > Does that mean that such webapp should requires "qlibc-all-langpa

Re: glibc in Fedora rawhide now split by langpacks.

2016-03-08 Thread Remi Collet
Le 26/02/2016 10:47, Carlos O'Donell a écrit : > The glibc in Fedora rawhide and F24 is now split by > language packs. We have over 180 supported languages > in glibc, and those have been split into langpacks > for transparent install and support via dnf. I may understand the need. But what abou

Re: glibc in Fedora rawhide now split by langpacks.

2016-03-07 Thread Stephen Gallagher
On 03/05/2016 07:13 PM, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: > On Sunday, 28 February 2016 at 23:31, Stephen Gallagher wrote: >> >>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 5:08 PM, Lars Seipel wrote: >>> On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 08:56:27AM -0500, Stephen Gallagher wrote: Yeah, I think the best approach wou

Re: glibc in Fedora rawhide now split by langpacks.

2016-03-05 Thread Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
On Sunday, 28 February 2016 at 23:31, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > > > On Feb 28, 2016, at 5:08 PM, Lars Seipel wrote: > > > >> On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 08:56:27AM -0500, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > >> Yeah, I think the best approach would be to have all the langpacks offer a > >> virtual Provides:

Re: glibc in Fedora rawhide now split by langpacks.

2016-03-01 Thread Carlos O'Donell
On 02/26/2016 04:47 AM, Carlos O'Donell wrote: > Bug 1238406 - Glibc locale subpackaging > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1238406 > > Changes/Glibc locale subpackaging > https://fedoraproject.org//wiki/Changes/Glibc_locale_subpackaging With glibc-2.23.90-3.fc25 and glibc-2.23.1-5.fc2

Re: glibc in Fedora rawhide now split by langpacks.

2016-02-29 Thread Dan Callaghan
Excerpts from Carlos O'Donell's message of 2016-02-29 11:04 -05:00: > On 02/29/2016 06:32 AM, Petr Pisar wrote: > > Mock (or rpmbuild?) sets LANG to en_US.UTF-8 instead of C in order > > to > > have UTF-8 locale when building packages because it was decided that > > UTF-8 is the default (build) en

Re: glibc in Fedora rawhide now split by langpacks.

2016-02-29 Thread Bruno Wolff III
Upgrading to this version of glibc also breaks postgres if you have a database that uses something other than the C locale. Installing appropriate language packs and restarting fix the issue. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/devel@lis

Re: glibc in Fedora rawhide now split by langpacks.

2016-02-29 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2016-02-29 at 11:28 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Mon, 2016-02-29 at 19:18 +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: > > > > On 02/29/2016 05:18 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > IIRC it would simply terminate claiming the remote host had dropped the > > > connection. There wasn'

Re: glibc in Fedora rawhide now split by langpacks.

2016-02-29 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2016-02-29 at 19:18 +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: > On 02/29/2016 05:18 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > > > IIRC it would simply terminate claiming the remote host had dropped the > > connection. There wasn't any useful information even with -. I just > > kinda guessed it must have so

Re: glibc in Fedora rawhide now split by langpacks.

2016-02-29 Thread Carlos O'Donell
On 02/29/2016 01:18 PM, Florian Weimer wrote: > On 02/29/2016 05:18 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > >> IIRC it would simply terminate claiming the remote host had dropped the >> connection. There wasn't any useful information even with -. I just >> kinda guessed it must have something to do with

Re: glibc in Fedora rawhide now split by langpacks.

2016-02-29 Thread Florian Weimer
On 02/29/2016 05:18 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > IIRC it would simply terminate claiming the remote host had dropped the > connection. There wasn't any useful information even with -. I just > kinda guessed it must have something to do with the langpacks, > installed glibc-langpack-en, and it

Re: glibc in Fedora rawhide now split by langpacks.

2016-02-29 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2016-02-29 at 11:10 -0500, Carlos O'Donell wrote: > On 02/27/2016 08:33 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > > On Fri, 2016-02-26 at 04:47 -0500, Carlos O'Donell wrote: > > > > > > The glibc in Fedora rawhide and F24 is now split by > > > language packs. We have over 180 supported languages >

Re: glibc in Fedora rawhide now split by langpacks.

2016-02-29 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 29.2.2016 v 17:12 Carlos O'Donell napsal(a): > On 02/29/2016 04:22 AM, Vít Ondruch wrote: >> Dne 26.2.2016 v 11:20 Carlos O'Donell napsal(a): >>> On 02/26/2016 05:02 AM, Vít Ondruch wrote: You also forget to mention what Rawhide users are supposed to do. I assume that I should

Re: glibc in Fedora rawhide now split by langpacks.

2016-02-29 Thread Carlos O'Donell
On 02/29/2016 04:22 AM, Vít Ondruch wrote: > > Dne 26.2.2016 v 11:20 Carlos O'Donell napsal(a): >> On 02/26/2016 05:02 AM, Vít Ondruch wrote: >>> You also forget to mention what Rawhide users are supposed to do. >>> >>> I assume that I should do: >>> >>> # dnf install langpacks-cs >>> >>> to have

Re: glibc in Fedora rawhide now split by langpacks.

2016-02-29 Thread Carlos O'Donell
On 02/29/2016 10:46 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 01:42:57PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: >> On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 08:57:27PM +, Igor Gnatenko wrote: >>> And also I was not able to start gnome-terminal and some other apps. I had >>> to install glibc-langpack-en.

Re: glibc in Fedora rawhide now split by langpacks.

2016-02-29 Thread Carlos O'Donell
On 02/27/2016 08:33 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Fri, 2016-02-26 at 04:47 -0500, Carlos O'Donell wrote: >> The glibc in Fedora rawhide and F24 is now split by >> language packs. We have over 180 supported languages >> in glibc, and those have been split into langpacks >> for transparent install

Re: glibc in Fedora rawhide now split by langpacks.

2016-02-29 Thread Carlos O'Donell
On 02/27/2016 03:44 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Fri, 2016-02-26 at 04:47 -0500, Carlos O'Donell wrote: >> The glibc in Fedora rawhide and F24 is now split by >> language packs. We have over 180 supported languages >> in glibc, and those have been split into langpacks >> for transparent install

Re: glibc in Fedora rawhide now split by langpacks.

2016-02-29 Thread Carlos O'Donell
On 02/29/2016 06:32 AM, Petr Pisar wrote: > On 2016-02-27, Ruben Kerkhof wrote: >> I'm now seeing this in mock / koji builds: >> >> perl: warning: Setting locale failed. >> perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: >> LANGUAGE = (unset), >> LC_ALL = (unset), >> LANG = "en_US.UTF-8" >>

Re: glibc in Fedora rawhide now split by langpacks.

2016-02-29 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2016-02-27 at 09:03 -0500, Carlos O'Donell wrote: > On 02/26/2016 10:39 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > > > On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 08:56:27AM -0500, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > > > > > > On 02/26/2016 08:39 AM, Miroslav Suchý wrote: > > > > > > > > Dne 26.2.2016 v 11:20 Carlos

Re: glibc in Fedora rawhide now split by langpacks.

2016-02-29 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 01:42:57PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 08:57:27PM +, Igor Gnatenko wrote: > > And also I was not able to start gnome-terminal and some other apps. I had > > to install glibc-langpack-en. > > libvirtd also fails to start up: > > https://

Re: glibc in Fedora rawhide now split by langpacks.

2016-02-29 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 08:57:27PM +, Igor Gnatenko wrote: > And also I was not able to start gnome-terminal and some other apps. I had > to install glibc-langpack-en. libvirtd also fails to start up: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1312688 I'm investigating it now. Rich. --

Re: glibc in Fedora rawhide now split by langpacks.

2016-02-29 Thread Petr Pisar
On 2016-02-27, Ruben Kerkhof wrote: > I'm now seeing this in mock / koji builds: > > perl: warning: Setting locale failed. > perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: > LANGUAGE = (unset), > LC_ALL = (unset), > LANG = "en_US.UTF-8" > are supported and installed on your system. > p

Re: glibc in Fedora rawhide now split by langpacks.

2016-02-29 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 26.2.2016 v 11:20 Carlos O'Donell napsal(a): > On 02/26/2016 05:02 AM, Vít Ondruch wrote: >> You also forget to mention what Rawhide users are supposed to do. >> >> I assume that I should do: >> >> # dnf install langpacks-cs >> >> to have only czech language available and English should be ava

Re: glibc in Fedora rawhide now split by langpacks.

2016-02-28 Thread Stephen Gallagher
> On Feb 28, 2016, at 5:08 PM, Lars Seipel wrote: > >> On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 08:56:27AM -0500, Stephen Gallagher wrote: >> Yeah, I think the best approach would be to have all the langpacks offer a >> virtual Provides: glibc-langpack and have the main package Requires: >> glibc-langpack and S

Re: glibc in Fedora rawhide now split by langpacks.

2016-02-28 Thread Lars Seipel
On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 08:56:27AM -0500, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > Yeah, I think the best approach would be to have all the langpacks offer a > virtual Provides: glibc-langpack and have the main package Requires: > glibc-langpack and Suggests: glibc-all-langpacks. This would force the installati

Re: glibc in Fedora rawhide now split by langpacks.

2016-02-27 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2016-02-26 at 04:47 -0500, Carlos O'Donell wrote: > The glibc in Fedora rawhide and F24 is now split by > language packs. We have over 180 supported languages > in glibc, and those have been split into langpacks > for transparent install and support via dnf. This > greatly reduces the size

Re: glibc in Fedora rawhide now split by langpacks.

2016-02-27 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2016-02-27 at 20:57 +, Igor Gnatenko wrote: > And also I was not able to start gnome-terminal and some other apps. I had > to install glibc-langpack-en. Different case. The issue of how to handle upgrade of existing installs is already being discussed upthread. I was pointing out a dif

Re: glibc in Fedora rawhide now split by langpacks.

2016-02-27 Thread Igor Gnatenko
And also I was not able to start gnome-terminal and some other apps. I had to install glibc-langpack-en. On Sat, Feb 27, 2016, 9:44 PM Adam Williamson wrote: > On Fri, 2016-02-26 at 04:47 -0500, Carlos O'Donell wrote: > > The glibc in Fedora rawhide and F24 is now split by > > language packs. We

Re: glibc in Fedora rawhide now split by langpacks.

2016-02-27 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2016-02-26 at 04:47 -0500, Carlos O'Donell wrote: > The glibc in Fedora rawhide and F24 is now split by > language packs. We have over 180 supported languages > in glibc, and those have been split into langpacks > for transparent install and support via dnf. This > greatly reduces the size

Re: glibc in Fedora rawhide now split by langpacks.

2016-02-27 Thread Ruben Kerkhof
On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 10:47 AM, Carlos O'Donell wrote: > The glibc in Fedora rawhide and F24 is now split by > language packs. We have over 180 supported languages > in glibc, and those have been split into langpacks > for transparent install and support via dnf. This > greatly reduces the size

Re: glibc in Fedora rawhide now split by langpacks.

2016-02-27 Thread Carlos O'Donell
On 02/26/2016 10:38 AM, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > On Fri, 2016-02-26 at 10:06 -0500, Carlos O'Donell wrote: >> Correct, 'glibc-all-langpacks' will solve the problem immediately. > > OK, I've added this to comps, to take care of new installs. If anyone > implements support for language pack instal

Re: glibc in Fedora rawhide now split by langpacks.

2016-02-27 Thread Carlos O'Donell
On 02/26/2016 10:39 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 08:56:27AM -0500, Stephen Gallagher wrote: >> On 02/26/2016 08:39 AM, Miroslav Suchý wrote: >>> Dne 26.2.2016 v 11:20 Carlos O'Donell napsal(a): No languages are available by default, we did this because other

Re: glibc in Fedora rawhide now split by langpacks.

2016-02-26 Thread Parag Nemade
Hi, On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 8:54 PM, Richard Hughes wrote: > On 26 February 2016 at 13:25, Parag Nemade wrote: >> Please have a look at New Langpacks Change[1] information. > > Thanks for the information -- this looks a lot better than the current > logic and so a huge thanks for driving this. O

Re: glibc in Fedora rawhide now split by langpacks.

2016-02-26 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 08:56:27AM -0500, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > On 02/26/2016 08:39 AM, Miroslav Suchý wrote: > > Dne 26.2.2016 v 11:20 Carlos O'Donell napsal(a): > >> No languages are available by default, we did this because otherwise > >> you keep carrying forward locales that you can't rem

Re: glibc in Fedora rawhide now split by langpacks.

2016-02-26 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Fri, 2016-02-26 at 10:06 -0500, Carlos O'Donell wrote: > Correct, 'glibc-all-langpacks' will solve the problem immediately. OK, I've added this to comps, to take care of new installs. If anyone implements support for language pack installation in both gnome- initial-setup and gnome-control-cent

Re: glibc in Fedora rawhide now split by langpacks.

2016-02-26 Thread Richard Hughes
On 26 February 2016 at 13:25, Parag Nemade wrote: > Please have a look at New Langpacks Change[1] information. Thanks for the information -- this looks a lot better than the current logic and so a huge thanks for driving this. One more question: Would you be against me adding (translated) metainf

Re: glibc in Fedora rawhide now split by langpacks.

2016-02-26 Thread Carlos O'Donell
On 02/26/2016 09:44 AM, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > On Fri, 2016-02-26 at 12:25 +, Richard Hughes wrote: >> What happens if the user isn't using DNF? For the workstation we have >> to support users using just the graphical tools, and we can't rely on >> command line tools for this kind of thing.

Re: glibc in Fedora rawhide now split by langpacks.

2016-02-26 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Fri, 2016-02-26 at 12:25 +, Richard Hughes wrote: > What happens if the user isn't using DNF? For the workstation we have > to support users using just the graphical tools, and we can't rely on > command line tools for this kind of thing. I'm happy to add support > for installing lang packs

Re: glibc in Fedora rawhide now split by langpacks.

2016-02-26 Thread Carlos O'Donell
On 02/26/2016 07:33 AM, Parag Nemade wrote: > Hi, > > On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 3:52 PM, Carlos O'Donell wrote: >> On 02/26/2016 04:47 AM, Carlos O'Donell wrote: >>> The glibc in Fedora rawhide and F24 is now split by >>> language packs. We have over 180 supported languages >>> in glibc, and those

Re: glibc in Fedora rawhide now split by langpacks.

2016-02-26 Thread Stephen Gallagher
On 02/26/2016 08:39 AM, Miroslav Suchý wrote: > Dne 26.2.2016 v 11:20 Carlos O'Donell napsal(a): >> No languages are available by default, we did this because otherwise >> you keep carrying forward locales that you can't remove. > > For this reasons we have weak dependencies. I guess that: > Rec

Re: glibc in Fedora rawhide now split by langpacks.

2016-02-26 Thread Miroslav Suchý
Dne 26.2.2016 v 11:20 Carlos O'Donell napsal(a): > No languages are available by default, we did this because otherwise > you keep carrying forward locales that you can't remove. For this reasons we have weak dependencies. I guess that: Recommends: glibc-all-langpacks can do the work (install or

Re: glibc in Fedora rawhide now split by langpacks.

2016-02-26 Thread Parag Nemade
Hi Richard, On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 5:55 PM, Richard Hughes wrote: > On 26 February 2016 at 09:47, Carlos O'Donell wrote: >> We have over 180 supported languages >> in glibc, and those have been split into langpacks >> for transparent install and support via dnf. > > What happens if the user isn

Re: glibc in Fedora rawhide now split by langpacks.

2016-02-26 Thread Parag Nemade
Hi, On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 3:52 PM, Carlos O'Donell wrote: > On 02/26/2016 04:47 AM, Carlos O'Donell wrote: >> The glibc in Fedora rawhide and F24 is now split by >> language packs. We have over 180 supported languages >> in glibc, and those have been split into langpacks >> for transparent inst

Re: glibc in Fedora rawhide now split by langpacks.

2016-02-26 Thread Peter Robinson
> What happens if the user isn't using DNF? For the workstation we have > to support users using just the graphical tools, and we can't rely on > command line tools for this kind of thing. I'm happy to add support > for installing lang packs into gnome-software but need to know how the > langpack p

Re: glibc in Fedora rawhide now split by langpacks.

2016-02-26 Thread Richard Hughes
On 26 February 2016 at 09:47, Carlos O'Donell wrote: > We have over 180 supported languages > in glibc, and those have been split into langpacks > for transparent install and support via dnf. What happens if the user isn't using DNF? For the workstation we have to support users using just the gra

Re: glibc in Fedora rawhide now split by langpacks.

2016-02-26 Thread Carlos O'Donell
On 02/26/2016 04:47 AM, Carlos O'Donell wrote: > The glibc in Fedora rawhide and F24 is now split by > language packs. We have over 180 supported languages > in glibc, and those have been split into langpacks > for transparent install and support via dnf. This > greatly reduces the size of a glibc

Re: glibc in Fedora rawhide now split by langpacks.

2016-02-26 Thread Carlos O'Donell
On 02/26/2016 05:02 AM, Vít Ondruch wrote: > You also forget to mention what Rawhide users are supposed to do. > > I assume that I should do: > > # dnf install langpacks-cs > > to have only czech language available and English should be available by > default, right? No languages are available

Re: glibc in Fedora rawhide now split by langpacks.

2016-02-26 Thread Vít Ondruch
You also forget to mention what Rawhide users are supposed to do. I assume that I should do: # dnf install langpacks-cs to have only czech language available and English should be available by default, right? Vít Dne 26.2.2016 v 10:47 Carlos O'Donell napsal(a): > The glibc in Fedora rawhide

glibc in Fedora rawhide now split by langpacks.

2016-02-26 Thread Carlos O'Donell
The glibc in Fedora rawhide and F24 is now split by language packs. We have over 180 supported languages in glibc, and those have been split into langpacks for transparent install and support via dnf. This greatly reduces the size of a glibc install from 130MB down to a couple of megs. It drops sup