Re: floppy-support being retired (was: Retiring Packages with Broken Dependencies in branched (2017-06-26))

2017-06-29 Thread Till Maas
On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 10:38:11AM -0500, Gwyn Ciesla wrote: > I have a bunch of them still. Don't ask. I'll take floppy-support if no on > else wants it. Actually it is not orphaned but the current maintainer did not fix the package to exclude aarch64 as there is no flop

Re: floppy-support being retired (was: Retiring Packages with Broken Dependencies in branched (2017-06-26))

2017-06-28 Thread Gwyn Ciesla
On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Adam Williamson < adamw...@fedoraproject.org> wrote: > On Wed, 2017-06-28 at 11:03 +0200, Björn Persson wrote: > > t...@fedoraproject.org wrote: > > > floppy-support bruno 162 > weeks ago

Re: floppy-support being retired (was: Retiring Packages with Broken Dependencies in branched (2017-06-26))

2017-06-28 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Adam Williamson said: > (I saw a pack of floppies for sale in a dollar store the other day, > made me do a double take...) I still own the ufiformat package in Fedora (for formatting disks in USB floppy drives). I haven't actually used it in quite a while, but I did run across

Re: floppy-support being retired (was: Retiring Packages with Broken Dependencies in branched (2017-06-26))

2017-06-28 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2017-06-28 at 11:03 +0200, Björn Persson wrote: > t...@fedoraproject.org wrote: > > floppy-support bruno 162 weeks ago > > So are floppies now definitely a thing of the past according to Fedora? If you want them not to be...you ca

Re: floppy-support being retired (was: Retiring Packages with Broken Dependencies in branched (2017-06-26))

2017-06-28 Thread Peter Robinson
>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 10:03 AM, Björn Persson wrote: >>> t...@fedoraproject.org wrote: >>>> floppy-support bruno 162 weeks ago >>> >>> So are floppies now definitely a thing of the past according to Fedo

Re: floppy-support being retired (was: Retiring Packages with Broken Dependencies in branched (2017-06-26))

2017-06-28 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 11:03:09AM +0200, Björn Persson wrote: > t...@fedoraproject.org wrote: > > floppy-support bruno 162 weeks ago > > So are floppies now definitely a thing of the past according to Fedora? This message is simply Fedora

Re: floppy-support being retired (was: Retiring Packages with Broken Dependencies in branched (2017-06-26))

2017-06-28 Thread Graham Leggett
On 28 Jun 2017, at 11:09 AM, Peter Robinson wrote: > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 10:03 AM, Björn Persson wrote: >> t...@fedoraproject.org wrote: >>> floppy-support bruno 162 weeks ago >> >> So are floppies now definitely a

Re: floppy-support being retired (was: Retiring Packages with Broken Dependencies in branched (2017-06-26))

2017-06-28 Thread Peter Robinson
On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 10:03 AM, Björn Persson wrote: > t...@fedoraproject.org wrote: >> floppy-support bruno 162 weeks ago > > So are floppies now definitely a thing of the past according to Fedora? Well they definitely are a thing of th

floppy-support being retired (was: Retiring Packages with Broken Dependencies in branched (2017-06-26))

2017-06-28 Thread Björn Persson
t...@fedoraproject.org wrote: > floppy-support bruno 162 weeks ago So are floppies now definitely a thing of the past according to Fedora? (A power supply that I recently bought came with an adapter cable for powering a diskette drive. :-) ) Bj

Re: floppy support

2011-09-03 Thread Bruno Wolff III
I have submitted a review request for floppy-support: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=735554 -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: floppy support

2011-09-01 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 22:41:45 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > Below is a proposed specfile for the floppy case. (Analog joystick would be > very similar.) I haven't tested the package for functionality yet, but did > test it with rpmbuild and rpmlint. Is this what we want? Is this ready > for

Re: floppy support

2011-08-31 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Bruno Wolff III said: > Below is a proposed specfile for the floppy case. (Analog joystick would be > very similar.) I haven't tested the package for functionality yet, but did > test it with rpmbuild and rpmlint. Is this what we want? Is this ready > for a formal review? That l

Re: floppy support

2011-08-31 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Hans de Goede said: > anaconda loads the floppy driver by default when booting of the install > DVD, because of driverdisk support, thus the anaconda team has been getting > its share of bug reports wrt this. But AFAIK there are no such issues > in RHEL-5, where we auto-load the

Re: floppy support

2011-08-31 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 11:58:41 +0200, Jakub Jelinek wrote: > On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 10:41:45PM -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > > %install > > rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT > > mkdir -p $RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{_libdir}/modules-load.d > > echo floppy > $RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{_libdir}/modules-load.d/floppy.conf >

Re: floppy support

2011-08-31 Thread Jakub Jelinek
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 10:41:45PM -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > %install > rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT > mkdir -p $RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{_libdir}/modules-load.d > echo floppy > $RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{_libdir}/modules-load.d/floppy.conf %{_sysconfdir} instead of %{_libdir} everywhere. > %files > %{_libdir}/modu

Re: floppy support

2011-08-31 Thread Hans de Goede
As always many thanks for you excellent and constructive work on Fedora. Regards, Hans > > Name: floppy-support > Version:1.0 > Release:1%{?dist} > Summary:Load floppy driver at boot time > Group: System Environment/Kernel > > > License:

Re: floppy support

2011-08-31 Thread Hans de Goede
ugs about this, just something a really really quick search turned up. > Again, I've booted systems > without floppy drives but with floppy support loaded, and I haven't seen > any significant hang. Yes the hang is not guaranteed to be there, or to take very long, but often it is th

Re: floppy support

2011-08-31 Thread Tomas Mraz
On Tue, 2011-08-30 at 17:11 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: > On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 11:49:37AM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: > > Matthew Garrett (mj...@srcf.ucam.org) said: > > > On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 02:50:10PM +0100, Tom Hughes wrote: > > > > Or modules-load.d if you want to force load a modu

Re: floppy support

2011-08-30 Thread Bruno Wolff III
Below is a proposed specfile for the floppy case. (Analog joystick would be very similar.) I haven't tested the package for functionality yet, but did test it with rpmbuild and rpmlint. Is this what we want? Is this ready for a formal review? Name: floppy-support Version:

Re: floppy support

2011-08-30 Thread Kevin Kofler
Björn Persson wrote: > Kevin Kofler wrote: >> Users who don't have a floppy >> drive and want to save some boot time can blacklist the driver manually. > > s/Us/Hack/ to make that sentence true. No. Users who want to tweak their system to the point of shaving a few seconds off their boot times

Re: floppy support

2011-08-30 Thread Kevin Kofler
Michael Cronenworth wrote: > Manufacturers will tell you what hardware to use. Very few manufacturers > still produce drives and media. Sony has stopped[1] as of last year. Unless the EU bans them (like those standard incandescence lightbulbs), I don't think floppies will become completely unavai

Re: floppy support (was: [HEADS UP] remove ddate(1) command from rawhide)

2011-08-30 Thread Kevin Kofler
Chris Adams wrote: > Leaving known-working hardware unusable at install is just rude and > irritating when it is needed. There should be good justification, not > just "a bunch of developers don't use it anymore, so we don't think > anybody else needs it". +1 Kevin Kofler -- devel mail

Re: floppy support

2011-08-30 Thread Michael Cronenworth
On 08/30/2011 06:40 PM, Chris Adams wrote: > Again, please stop trying to tell me what hardware to use. Manufacturers will tell you what hardware to use. Very few manufacturers still produce drives and media. Sony has stopped[1] as of last year. So, if it takes the death of your floppy drive to

Re: floppy support

2011-08-30 Thread Michael Ekstrand
On 08/30/2011 06:30 PM, Chris Jones wrote: > I see it all the time. "Some older hardware still requires floppies..." > It just seems like a generic defense statement for the fans of floppies > and for those who insist on using them for god knows what reason. > Any hardware that is true to that stat

Re: floppy support

2011-08-30 Thread Jef Spaleta
2011/8/30 Miloslav Trmač > The seek is there to detect the double-density _drive_ that was last > shipped in PC XT: PC AT already had a high-density drive. Wikipedia > tells me that the seek is there to detect hardware that became > obsolete in 1984. > > you take the fun out of everything. But

Re: floppy support

2011-08-30 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 1:49 AM, Jef Spaleta wrote: > > > 2011/8/30 Miloslav Trmač >> >> I hope no software is still doing this - that was idiotic 10 years >> ago, let alone now.  (The purpose of the seek is to detect drives that >> can support only "double density", i.e. 360K, 5.25" disks, not "

Re: floppy support

2011-08-30 Thread Felix Miata
On 2011/08/31 09:30 (GMT+1000) Chris Jones composed: > And for the cheap price of PCs these days, whether it is building your own > or grabbing an oem system, just upgrade to something that does have full usb > support. So old PCs should fill landfills instead of going to people with no money for

Re: floppy support

2011-08-30 Thread Jef Spaleta
2011/8/30 Miloslav Trmač > I hope no software is still doing this - that was idiotic 10 years > ago, let alone now. (The purpose of the seek is to detect drives that > can support only "double density", i.e. 360K, 5.25" disks, not "high > density", i.e. 1.2M disks. It doesn't do anything useful

Re: floppy support

2011-08-30 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 10:25 PM, Przemek Klosowski wrote: > On 08/30/2011 03:55 PM, Chris Adams wrote: > >> How many systems are there that "hang forever" when the floppy module is >> loaded?  I have never seen that happen, on systems with or without >> floppy drives, yet you seem to be saying it

Re: floppy support

2011-08-30 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Chris Jones said: > I see it all the time. "Some older hardware still requires floppies..." It > just seems like a generic defense statement for the fans of floppies and for > those who insist on using them for god knows what reason. Again, please stop trying to tell me what har

Re: floppy support

2011-08-30 Thread Chris Jones
The argument that some older hardware do not have USB support and require floppy support is moot. I have 3 PCs in total. 2 desktops and 1 file server. The 2 desktops run Ubuntu/Linux and the server running BSD. The server is an old desktop system that has had various upgrades and various

Re: floppy support (was: [HEADS UP] remove ddate(1) command from rawhide)

2011-08-30 Thread John5342
ats for a group of approximately 50 computers i used to run (this was about 2 years ago and with various linux distributions but i doubt floppy support varies much). The computers with floppy drives enabled in the BIOS even though there was no actual drive attached took mostly between 2 and 20 secon

Re: floppy support

2011-08-30 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 04:25:18PM -0400, Przemek Klosowski wrote: > On 08/30/2011 03:55 PM, Chris Adams wrote: > > > How many systems are there that "hang forever" when the floppy module is > > loaded? I have never seen that happen, on systems with or without > > floppy drives, yet you seem to b

Re: floppy support

2011-08-30 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 08/30/2011 03:55 PM, Chris Adams wrote: > How many systems are there that "hang forever" when the floppy module is > loaded? I have never seen that happen, on systems with or without > floppy drives, yet you seem to be saying it happens on vast numbers of > them (99.9% in an earlier message).

Re: floppy support (was: [HEADS UP] remove ddate(1) command from rawhide)

2011-08-30 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Simo Sorce said: > They do not 'hang', they just take longer to boot, sometimes a lot > longer. How much longer? How many such machines? Again, I've booted systems without floppy drives but with floppy support loaded, and I haven't seen any signif

Re: floppy support (was: [HEADS UP] remove ddate(1) command from rawhide)

2011-08-30 Thread Simo Sorce
On Tue, 2011-08-30 at 15:12 -0500, Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, Simo Sorce said: > > I said: > > A) 99.9% of users do not needed the floppy anymore > > B) I said hang for "long periods" and not "forever", where here "long" > > is of course relative to modern machine boot times. > > You

Re: floppy support

2011-08-30 Thread Björn Persson
Kevin Kofler wrote: > Users who don't have a floppy > drive and want to save some boot time can blacklist the driver manually. s/Us/Hack/ to make that sentence true. Björn Persson signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproje

Re: floppy support (was: [HEADS UP] remove ddate(1) command from rawhide)

2011-08-30 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Simo Sorce said: > I said: > A) 99.9% of users do not needed the floppy anymore > B) I said hang for "long periods" and not "forever", where here "long" > is of course relative to modern machine boot times. You said: It seem much more intelligent to add a package owners of f

Re: floppy support (was: [HEADS UP] remove ddate(1) command from rawhide)

2011-08-30 Thread Simo Sorce
On Tue, 2011-08-30 at 14:55 -0500, Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, Simo Sorce said: > > Making boot hang for long periods can easily be seen as 'Not working > > properly' and therefore make default floppy support 'not possible'. > > At least t

Re: floppy support (was: [HEADS UP] remove ddate(1) command from rawhide)

2011-08-30 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Simo Sorce said: > Making boot hang for long periods can easily be seen as 'Not working > properly' and therefore make default floppy support 'not possible'. > At least this is the reasoning I see and agree with. How many systems are there that &

Re: floppy support

2011-08-30 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Jef Spaleta said: > Bah, I'd think you'd want to go the other way if you could get an external > usb based floppy reader which is autodetected on the usb bus. Anything that > hangs off the onboard floppy controller is going to need some lovin. These are for embedded systems tha

Re: floppy support

2011-08-30 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 08/30/2011 03:36 PM, Jef Spaleta wrote: > > > On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Przemek Klosowski > mailto:przemek.klosow...@nist.gov>> wrote: > > > They connect to the floppy cable and look like a floppy drive. > > > Bah, I'd think you'd want to go the other way if you could get an > extern

Re: floppy support

2011-08-30 Thread Jef Spaleta
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Przemek Klosowski < przemek.klosow...@nist.gov> wrote: > > They connect to the floppy cable and look like a floppy drive. > > Bah, I'd think you'd want to go the other way if you could get an external usb based floppy reader which is autodetected on the usb bus.

Re: floppy support (was: [HEADS UP] remove ddate(1) command from rawhide)

2011-08-30 Thread Simo Sorce
ple that Fedora should Just Work on any hardware > it encounters if at all possible. I guess you need to define 'Just Work', and 'if at all possible'. Making boot hang for long periods can easily be seen as 'Not working properly' and therefore make default floppy

Re: floppy support (was: [HEADS UP] remove ddate(1) command from rawhide)

2011-08-30 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 09:13:05PM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Simo Sorce wrote: > > It seem much more intelligent to add a package owners of floppies can > > install, so that 99.9% of the others do not have to wait forever for no > > reason. > > This goes against the principle that Fedora should

Re: floppy support

2011-08-30 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 08/30/2011 03:18 PM, Jef Spaleta wrote: > > > On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Przemek Klosowski > mailto:przemek.klosow...@nist.gov>> wrote: > > I feel your pain; a lot of perfectly good lab equipment has floppies > too, but whenever practical, I'd recommend a USB floppy drive emulator

Re: floppy support

2011-08-30 Thread Jef Spaleta
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Przemek Klosowski < przemek.klosow...@nist.gov> wrote: > I feel your pain; a lot of perfectly good lab equipment has floppies > too, but whenever practical, I'd recommend a USB floppy drive emulator > from ipcas or http://www.rioc.us/ufr-usb-floppy-replacement.php

Re: floppy support (was: [HEADS UP] remove ddate(1) command from rawhide)

2011-08-30 Thread Kevin Kofler
Simo Sorce wrote: > It seem much more intelligent to add a package owners of floppies can > install, so that 99.9% of the others do not have to wait forever for no > reason. This goes against the principle that Fedora should Just Work on any hardware it encounters if at all possible. Kev

Re: floppy support

2011-08-30 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 08/30/2011 09:02 AM, Chris Adams wrote: > It isn't why I use floppies under Linux, but my mother's very expensive > computerized embroidery machine uses floppies to transfer patterns. > There are still things in the real world that exclusively use floppy > disks, and they aren't going away as r

Re: floppy support (was: [HEADS UP] remove ddate(1) command from rawhide)

2011-08-30 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2011-08-29 at 16:58 +0200, Jos Vos wrote: > Don't let us all fall in the GNOME3 trap (assuming that all hardware > now has accelerated graphics support, which is even more ridiculous, > although GNOME3 has become useless for most people I know anyway). GNOME 3 does not do that. It has an

Re: floppy support (was: [HEADS UP] remove ddate(1) command from rawhide)

2011-08-30 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 07:18:40PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Tue, 30.08.11 18:30, Kevin Kofler (kevin.kof...@chello.at) wrote: > > An Arch Linux user once pointed out to me that Arch (at the time) probed > > for > > analog joysticks using this udev rule: > > SUBSYSTEM=="pnp", ENV{MODA

Re: floppy support (was: [HEADS UP] remove ddate(1) command from rawhide)

2011-08-30 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 30.08.11 18:30, Kevin Kofler (kevin.kof...@chello.at) wrote: > > Matthew Garrett wrote: > > There's no way to get any feedback from the gameport driver as to (a) > > whether there's anything plugged in, or (b) what is plugged in. We could > > have the gameport driver automatically pull in

Re: floppy support (was: [HEADS UP] remove ddate(1) command from rawhide)

2011-08-30 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 06:30:30PM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > An Arch Linux user once pointed out to me that Arch (at the time) probed for > analog joysticks using this udev rule: > SUBSYSTEM=="pnp", ENV{MODALIAS}!="?*", ATTRS{id}=="PNPb02f", > RUN+="/lib/udev/load-modules.sh analog" > (They h

Re: floppy support (was: [HEADS UP] remove ddate(1) command from rawhide)

2011-08-30 Thread Kevin Kofler
Matthew Garrett wrote: > There's no way to get any feedback from the gameport driver as to (a) > whether there's anything plugged in, or (b) what is plugged in. We could > have the gameport driver automatically pull in analog but that'd > probably break people doing midi or using some more speciali

Re: floppy support (was: [HEADS UP] remove ddate(1) command from rawhide)

2011-08-30 Thread Simo Sorce
On Tue, 2011-08-30 at 18:25 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Matthew Garrett wrote: > > ACPI turned out to be full of lies. The real problem is that machines > > will report a floppy controller even if they have no floppy drives > > attached, and the ACPI function that's supposed to return a list of >

Re: floppy support (was: [HEADS UP] remove ddate(1) command from rawhide)

2011-08-30 Thread Kevin Kofler
Matthew Garrett wrote: > ACPI turned out to be full of lies. The real problem is that machines > will report a floppy controller even if they have no floppy drives > attached, and the ACPI function that's supposed to return a list of > drives usually returns a mixture of falsehoods and untruths. Me

Re: floppy support

2011-08-30 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 11:49:37AM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Matthew Garrett (mj...@srcf.ucam.org) said: > > On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 02:50:10PM +0100, Tom Hughes wrote: > > > Or modules-load.d if you want to force load a module. > > > > Oops. Yes, that's what I meant. > > Is there a reason

Re: floppy support

2011-08-30 Thread Bill Nottingham
Matthew Garrett (mj...@srcf.ucam.org) said: > On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 02:50:10PM +0100, Tom Hughes wrote: > > On 30/08/11 14:23, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > > > > >I'll need to test it. Right now I use explicit modprobe commands in > > >rc.local, which isn't good for packages. I looked at modprobe.c

Re: floppy support

2011-08-30 Thread Felix Miata
On 2011/08/30 08:40 (GMT+0200) drago01 composed: > Felix Miata wrote: >> ...OM... > CD/DVD ? -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** ht

Re: floppy support (was: [HEADS UP] remove ddate(1) command from rawhide)

2011-08-30 Thread John5342
ote: >> > > >> > > Or just add floppy-support and analog-joystick-support packages that >> > > include appropriate modprobe.conf fragments, and have documentation that >> > > instructs the user to install them. >> > >> > To make thi

Re: floppy support

2011-08-30 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 14:50:10 +0100, Tom Hughes wrote: > On 30/08/11 14:23, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > > > I'll need to test it. Right now I use explicit modprobe commands in > > rc.local, which isn't good for packages. I looked at modprobe.conf > > documentation and it doesn't seem like it us

Re: floppy support

2011-08-30 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 02:50:10PM +0100, Tom Hughes wrote: > On 30/08/11 14:23, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > > >I'll need to test it. Right now I use explicit modprobe commands in > >rc.local, which isn't good for packages. I looked at modprobe.conf > >documentation and it doesn't seem like it uses t

Re: floppy support

2011-08-30 Thread Tom Hughes
On 30/08/11 14:23, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > I'll need to test it. Right now I use explicit modprobe commands in > rc.local, which isn't good for packages. I looked at modprobe.conf > documentation and it doesn't seem like it uses those files to determine > what to load, only what to do if it is lo

Re: floppy support

2011-08-30 Thread Michael Cronenworth
On 08/30/2011 08:02 AM, Chris Adams wrote: > There are still things in the real world that exclusively use floppy > disks, and they aren't going away as rapidly as some seem to think. No need to tell me. I work everyday with SCO Unix machines that have no idea what a USB device is. I've just foun

Re: floppy support (was: [HEADS UP] remove ddate(1) command from rawhide)

2011-08-30 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 14:37:16 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: > On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 08:09:51AM -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 14:26:39 +0100, > > Matthew Garrett wrote: > > > > > > Or just add floppy-support and anal

Re: floppy support (was: [HEADS UP] remove ddate(1) command from rawhide)

2011-08-30 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 08:09:51AM -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 14:26:39 +0100, > Matthew Garrett wrote: > > > > Or just add floppy-support and analog-joystick-support packages that > > include appropriate modprobe.conf fragments, and

Re: floppy support (was: [HEADS UP] remove ddate(1) command from rawhide)

2011-08-30 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 14:26:39 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: > > Or just add floppy-support and analog-joystick-support packages that > include appropriate modprobe.conf fragments, and have documentation that > instructs the user to install them. To make this more precis

Re: floppy support (was: [HEADS UP] remove ddate(1) command from rawhide)

2011-08-30 Thread Matthew Garrett
hat seems like a clear opportunity to add a simple "configure legacy > hardware" button to anaconda, that would do the modprobe floppy/gameport > etc. stuff so it is loaded. Perhaps there could be switches: I have > these legacy hardware: > Floppy disk > Analog joystick >

Re: floppy support (was: [HEADS UP] remove ddate(1) command from rawhide)

2011-08-30 Thread Tomas Mraz
On Tue, 2011-08-30 at 13:41 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: > On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 06:50:11AM -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 03:33:04 +0200, > > Kevin Kofler wrote: > > > > > > No, it means that (unless this was recently fixed) you have to modprobe > > > it > > >

Re: floppy support

2011-08-30 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Michael Cronenworth said: > On 08/29/2011 10:22 PM, Chris Adams wrote: > > It is very irritating, since I only use floppies when I really need to, > > Is this due to the need to boot into DOS to run a firmware utility or > something similar? If so, you can create a bootable, DO

Re: floppy support (was: [HEADS UP] remove ddate(1) command from rawhide)

2011-08-30 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 13:41:57 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: > > ACPI turned out to be full of lies. The real problem is that machines > will report a floppy controller even if they have no floppy drives > attached, and the ACPI function that's supposed to return a list of > drives usually

Re: floppy support (was: [HEADS UP] remove ddate(1) command from rawhide)

2011-08-30 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 06:50:11AM -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 03:33:04 +0200, > Kevin Kofler wrote: > > > > No, it means that (unless this was recently fixed) you have to modprobe it > > manually (e.g. from rc.local) because nothing bothers trying to modprobe it >

Re: floppy support (was: [HEADS UP] remove ddate(1) command from rawhide)

2011-08-30 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 03:33:04 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > No, it means that (unless this was recently fixed) you have to modprobe it > manually (e.g. from rc.local) because nothing bothers trying to modprobe it > for you anymore. IMHO, this is really broken, but the bug reports about it

Re: floppy support

2011-08-30 Thread Nils Philippsen
On Tue, 2011-08-30 at 08:40 +0200, drago01 wrote: > On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 8:36 AM, Felix Miata wrote: > > On 2011/08/30 15:06 (GMT+1000) Chris Jones composed: > > > >> I can't see any reason for floppies these days considering their extreme > >> price per data unit as opposed to usb memory. > >

Re: floppy support

2011-08-29 Thread drago01
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 8:36 AM, Felix Miata wrote: > On 2011/08/30 15:06 (GMT+1000) Chris Jones composed: > >> I can't see any reason for floppies these days considering their extreme >> price per data unit as opposed to usb memory. > > For some people the price of floppies is a sunk cost, or was

Re: floppy support

2011-08-29 Thread Felix Miata
On 2011/08/30 15:06 (GMT+1000) Chris Jones composed: > I can't see any reason for floppies these days considering their extreme > price per data unit as opposed to usb memory. For some people the price of floppies is a sunk cost, or was never a cost at all (e.g. me, who has over a hundred empty

Re: floppy support

2011-08-29 Thread Chris Jones
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 1:58 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > On 08/29/2011 10:22 PM, Chris Adams wrote: > > It is very irritating, since I only use floppies when I really need to, > > Is this due to the need to boot into DOS to run a firmware utility or > something similar? If so, you can create

Re: floppy support

2011-08-29 Thread Michael Cronenworth
On 08/29/2011 10:22 PM, Chris Adams wrote: > It is very irritating, since I only use floppies when I really need to, Is this due to the need to boot into DOS to run a firmware utility or something similar? If so, you can create a bootable, DOS USB flash drive. I haven't had a need for a floppy d

Re: floppy support (was: [HEADS UP] remove ddate(1) command from rawhide)

2011-08-29 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Kevin Kofler said: > No, it means that (unless this was recently fixed) you have to modprobe it > manually (e.g. from rc.local) because nothing bothers trying to modprobe it > for you anymore. IMHO, this is really broken, but the bug reports about it > were ignored or declared

Re: floppy support (was: [HEADS UP] remove ddate(1) command from rawhide)

2011-08-29 Thread Kevin Kofler
Karel Zak wrote: > On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 09:37:37AM -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote: >> The kernel maintainers don't >> support the floppy module and the module hasn't been auto-loaded for >> several releases. > > Does it mean that "modprobe floppy" does not work? No, it means that (unless t

Re: floppy support

2011-08-29 Thread Dave Jones
On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 10:31:09AM -0500, Jon Ciesla wrote: > > P.S. Your argument will be moot when the kernel drops the floppy module. > > Is there actually a plan for this to happen? Curious, not arguing here. Not any time soon. Dave -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedorapr

Re: floppy support

2011-08-29 Thread Jon Ciesla
> Jos Vos wrote: >> We just have to wait till people come up with the argument that serial >> or parallel ports don't exist anymore. > > No. You're making an apples to orange comparison. Just like Jon has done > this whole thread. > > This bike shedding as gone on long enough. Playing devil's adv

Re: floppy support (was: [HEADS UP] remove ddate(1) command from rawhide)

2011-08-29 Thread Karel Zak
On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 09:37:37AM -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > Chris Adams wrote: > > Why does util-linux have two floppy disk formatters (/usr/bin/floppy and > > /usr/sbin/fdformat)? > > Why does it have any floppy tools any more? because we still support floppy devices? > The kernel m

Re: floppy support

2011-08-29 Thread Michael Cronenworth
Jos Vos wrote: > We just have to wait till people come up with the argument that serial > or parallel ports don't exist anymore. No. You're making an apples to orange comparison. Just like Jon has done this whole thread. This bike shedding as gone on long enough. Remove ddate. Karel, you're ups

Re: floppy support (was: [HEADS UP] remove ddate(1) command from rawhide)

2011-08-29 Thread Jos Vos
On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 09:44:33AM -0500, Jon Ciesla wrote: > Because there are still people with floppy drives? +1 It's ridiculous to think that older HW doesn't exist because systems with that HW are not sold anymore (I don't even know id the latter is true at all -- some special purpose syste

Re: floppy support (was: [HEADS UP] remove ddate(1) command from rawhide)

2011-08-29 Thread Jon Ciesla
> Chris Adams wrote: >> Why does util-linux have two floppy disk formatters (/usr/bin/floppy and >> /usr/sbin/fdformat)? > > Why does it have any floppy tools any more? The kernel maintainers don't > support the floppy module and the module hasn't been auto-loaded for > several releases. > -- > de

Re: floppy support (was: [HEADS UP] remove ddate(1) command from rawhide)

2011-08-29 Thread Michael Cronenworth
Chris Adams wrote: > Why does util-linux have two floppy disk formatters (/usr/bin/floppy and > /usr/sbin/fdformat)? Why does it have any floppy tools any more? The kernel maintainers don't support the floppy module and the module hasn't been auto-loaded for several releases. -- devel mailing l