Re: Understanding the Fedora Modularity initiative (video + slides)

2017-03-24 Thread nicolas . mailhot
> so your argument is that Solaris created IPS because they wanted to > steal a rpm of ksh93? I'm not here to argue one way or another. It is well documented that at IPS creation time, Solaris userspace was in a terrible state, both terribly incomplete and (for the bits that were present) in va

Re: Understanding the Fedora Modularity initiative (video + slides)

2017-03-24 Thread Michael Stahl
On 24.03.2017 13:34, nicolas.mail...@laposte.net wrote: >> Why would Solaris switch to rpm, when they already had SysV >> packages at the time, which are pretty much equivalent in >> functionality? > > Solaris at the time had degenerated into a barebones system, they > needed to find a way to impo

Re: Understanding the Fedora Modularity initiative (video + slides)

2017-03-24 Thread nicolas . mailhot
> Why would Solaris switch to rpm, when they already had SysV packages at > the time, which are pretty much equivalent in functionality? Solaris at the time had degenerated into a barebones system, they needed to find a way to import all the stuff packaged by Linux distros of repackage thousand

Re: Understanding the Fedora Modularity initiative (video + slides)

2017-03-24 Thread Michael Stahl
On 24.03.2017 10:35, nicolas.mail...@laposte.net wrote: > Hi, > > IPS is a tweak on rpm. I suspect a mostly overengineered one, SUN had > massive ego problems and looked down on Linux systems. So they could > not just adopt rpm, they had to change it sufficiently to one up > Linux peasants (many o

Re: Understanding the Fedora Modularity initiative (video + slides)

2017-03-24 Thread nicolas . mailhot
Hi, IPS is a tweak on rpm. I suspect a mostly overengineered one, SUN had massive ego problems and looked down on Linux systems. So they could not just adopt rpm, they had to change it sufficiently to one up Linux peasants (many of the original IP packages are based on an import of Fedora rpm s

Re: Understanding the Fedora Modularity initiative (video + slides)

2017-03-23 Thread Adam Samalik
Nice feedback! I've managed to digest a half of it, so let me react to the first half and I will try to follow up with the rest later. :-) I don't know Solaris IPS (I'll definitely have a look), but from what I understood, it looks like they are delivering system components as multiple repositorie

Re: Understanding the Fedora Modularity initiative (video + slides)

2017-03-23 Thread Tomasz Kloczko
On Wed, 2017-03-22 at 13:59 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: [..] > This is a really nice, easy-to-understand presentation putting forward > the goals of the initiative, the current state, and where we hope to > have it for the upcoming Fedora 26 release and Fedora 27 later this > year. If you package

Understanding the Fedora Modularity initiative (video + slides)

2017-03-22 Thread Matthew Miller
Hi everyone. The Fedora Council holds monthly video-based meetings where we host a report from one of our various subprojects or official objectives. This month, Langdon White presented on Modularity. If you're a Fedora contributor busy in other areas and haven't paid much attention, you might be