Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2023-11-09)

2023-11-21 Thread Josh Boyer
On Thu, Nov 16, 2023, 9:05 AM Stephen Smoogen wrote: > > > On Thu, 16 Nov 2023 at 07:46, Kevin Kofler via devel < > devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote: > >> Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: >> > This is called "shooting the messenger". >> >> It is not. See my reply to Fabio. >> >> > LSB requi

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2023-11-09)

2023-11-16 Thread Stephen Smoogen
On Thu, 16 Nov 2023 at 07:46, Kevin Kofler via devel < devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote: > Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > This is called "shooting the messenger". > > It is not. See my reply to Fabio. > > > LSB requires various obsolete interfaces, in particular it requires > > Python

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2023-11-09)

2023-11-16 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 16. 11. 23 13:45, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote: It would be very much possible to support the Python 2 parts of the spec, without even shipping unmaintained software: Package Tauthon 2.8.4, and make both /usr/bin/python and /usr/bin/python2 symlinks to /usr/bin/tauthon. That should have been t

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2023-11-09)

2023-11-16 Thread Daniel P . Berrangé
On Thu, Nov 16, 2023 at 01:39:14PM +0100, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote: > Fabio Valentini wrote: > > There's a difference between *claiming* LSB compliance (what you refer > > to as backwards compatibility ?) and actually *achieving* it. > > Claiming it (the thing we objected to) without achieving

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2023-11-09)

2023-11-16 Thread Kevin Kofler via devel
Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > This is called "shooting the messenger". It is not. See my reply to Fabio. > LSB requires various obsolete interfaces, in particular it requires > Python 2 to be available as /usr/bin/python. Comment [1] contains a > nice listing. We are not going to bring bac

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2023-11-09)

2023-11-16 Thread Kevin Kofler via devel
Fabio Valentini wrote: > There's a difference between *claiming* LSB compliance (what you refer > to as backwards compatibility ?) and actually *achieving* it. > Claiming it (the thing we objected to) without achieving it (i.e. the > status quo for many Fedora releases) is a lie that helps nobody.

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2023-11-09)

2023-11-16 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Thu, Nov 16, 2023 at 01:28:31AM +0100, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote: > Neal Gompa wrote: > > * AGREED: Fedora explicitly declines to support the LSB 5.0 or > > earlier. Packagers will remove any information that implies > > otherwise. No implementation of an LSB package may expressly state > > o

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2023-11-09)

2023-11-16 Thread Fabio Valentini
On Thu, Nov 16, 2023 at 1:30 AM Kevin Kofler via devel wrote: > > Neal Gompa wrote: > > * AGREED: Fedora explicitly declines to support the LSB 5.0 or > > earlier. Packagers will remove any information that implies > > otherwise. No implementation of an LSB package may expressly state > > or offer

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2023-11-09)

2023-11-15 Thread Kevin Kofler via devel
Neal Gompa wrote: > * AGREED: Fedora explicitly declines to support the LSB 5.0 or > earlier. Packagers will remove any information that implies > otherwise. No implementation of an LSB package may expressly state > or offer compliance for any LSB module that Fedora does not or > cannot comply with

Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2023-11-09)

2023-11-09 Thread Neal Gompa
= #fedora-meeting-2: FESCO (2023-11-09) = Meeting started by Son_Goku at 17:06:12 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2023-11-09/fesco.2023-11-09-17.06.log.html . Meeting