Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2016-08-12)

2016-08-15 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 01:34:18AM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Stephen Gallagher wrote: > > * #1592 - Redefinition of what constitutes a secondary/alternate > > ~ architecture in Fedora (sgallagh, 16:04:18) > > ~ * AGREED: FESCo approves the new alternative architectures plan (+7, > > ~0, -

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2016-08-12)

2016-08-15 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 09:14:14PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: > On 08/14/2016 08:52 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > >On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 11:29:13AM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: > >>On the hardware side of things there's numerous ways go getting access > >>to hardware, we now have a pair of ve

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2016-08-12)

2016-08-14 Thread Kevin Kofler
Kevin Fenzi wrote: > No, it helps everyone. Many bugs on these other arches turn out to > expose bugs on x86 too. All the ones I ran into were bugs or obscure limitations in the toolchain that were entirely target-specific. They weren't even bugs in the package that failed to build, let alone on

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2016-08-12)

2016-08-14 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 12:57:52 -0600 Kevin Fenzi wrote: > I'm planning (probibly next week, if I can kick this flu) to setup a > ppc64le test machine, just like the other test machines... Hopefully > that will help out. > > We can do the same for aarch64 in a few weeks when we have them > availab

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2016-08-12)

2016-08-14 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 01:34:18 +0200 Kevin Kofler wrote: > Sigh! So the proposal to break Fedora got unanimously approved > without restrictions. I wonder why you requested a mailing list > thread to be opened at all, given that you simply completely ignored > the mailing list feedback. The "feedba

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2016-08-12)

2016-08-14 Thread Florian Weimer
On 08/14/2016 08:52 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 11:29:13AM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: On the hardware side of things there's numerous ways go getting access to hardware, we now have a pair of very large Power8 boxes in the Fedora cloud instance, Peter, is it possibl

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2016-08-12)

2016-08-14 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 19:52:21 +0100 "Richard W.M. Jones" wrote: > On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 11:29:13AM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: > > On the hardware side of things there's numerous ways go getting > > access to hardware, we now have a pair of very large Power8 boxes > > in the Fedora cloud instan

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2016-08-12)

2016-08-14 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 11:29:13AM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: > On the hardware side of things there's numerous ways go getting access > to hardware, we now have a pair of very large Power8 boxes in the > Fedora cloud instance, Peter, is it possible to set up long-term access to a POWER virtual

Access to hardware (was: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2016-08-12))

2016-08-14 Thread Björn Persson
Peter Robinson wrote: > On the hardware side of things there's numerous ways go getting access > to hardware, we now have a pair of very large Power8 boxes in the > Fedora cloud instance, there's a number of universities that provide > access to IBM Power and Z-series devices and Linaro has a means

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2016-08-12)

2016-08-14 Thread Kevin Kofler
Peter Robinson wrote: > There was feedback that was taken into account as part of the proposal > that came from the mailing list, Only in the form of more writeup in the Q&A section giving various excuses for not addressing any of the fatal flaws that were pointed out in the thread (such as the

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2016-08-12)

2016-08-14 Thread Peter Robinson
>> See that's where we disagree, there are 1000s of users that use those, >> you could also argue that the vast majority of Fedora instances aren't >> desktop platforms but servers/VMs and other non desktop usecases (I >> know of one company running Fedora on over a million ARM devices) yet >> we s

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2016-08-12)

2016-08-14 Thread Tom Hughes
On 14/08/16 08:49, Peter Robinson wrote: See that's where we disagree, there are 1000s of users that use those, you could also argue that the vast majority of Fedora instances aren't desktop platforms but servers/VMs and other non desktop usecases (I know of one company running Fedora on over a

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2016-08-12)

2016-08-14 Thread Peter Robinson
On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 12:34 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Stephen Gallagher wrote: >> * #1592 - Redefinition of what constitutes a secondary/alternate >> ~ architecture in Fedora (sgallagh, 16:04:18) >> ~ * AGREED: FESCo approves the new alternative architectures plan (+7, >> ~0, -0) (sgalla

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2016-08-12)

2016-08-13 Thread Kevin Kofler
Stephen Gallagher wrote: > * #1592 - Redefinition of what constitutes a secondary/alternate > ~ architecture in Fedora (sgallagh, 16:04:18) > ~ * AGREED: FESCo approves the new alternative architectures plan (+7, > ~0, -0) (sgallagh, 16:11:29) Sigh! So the proposal to break Fedora got unan

Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2016-08-12)

2016-08-12 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 === #fedora-meeting: FESCO (2016-08-12) === Meeting started by sgallagh at 16:01:05 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2016-08-12/fesco