Re: rfc: xserver rebase in F20 (was Re: Slipping F21)

2014-06-12 Thread Sérgio Basto
On Qui, 2014-06-12 at 11:06 +0100, Sérgio Basto wrote: > how is this jujuxiii ? I mean who is this jujuxiii ? -- Sérgio M. B. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-cond

Re: Slipping F21

2014-06-12 Thread Petr Pisar
On 2014-06-11, Tomasz Torcz wrote: > On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 11:14:41PM +0200, Emmanuel Seyman wrote: >> * Reindl Harald [11/06/2014 17:44] : >> > >> > um F20 has Kernel 3.14, recent mesa, KDE 4.13 soon, recent LibreOffice >> > and so on - what are you missing that justifies "move move, go on move

Re: rfc: xserver rebase in F20 (was Re: Slipping F21)

2014-06-12 Thread Sérgio Basto
Hi, On Qua, 2014-06-11 at 12:40 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: > On Wed, 2014-06-11 at 17:19 +0100, Sérgio Basto wrote: > > On Qua, 2014-06-11 at 12:09 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: > > > On Wed, 2014-06-11 at 17:56 +0200, drago01 wrote: > > > > > > > Oh and xserver really .. I am the one that gets c

Re: rfc: xserver rebase in F20 (was Re: Slipping F21)

2014-06-12 Thread Sérgio Basto
On Qua, 2014-06-11 at 23:36 +0200, Simone Caronni wrote: > Hello, > > > On 11 June 2014 19:11, Sérgio Basto wrote: > > > Hi, why not begin by a xserver rebase in copr ? > > > > Personally, because I don't feel like doing the work twice. > But if > > some

Re: Slipping F21

2014-06-12 Thread Emmanuel Seyman
* Tomasz Torcz [11/06/2014 23:20] : > > So we won't get 5.20 in stable Fedora for a year? More or less (we don't have a schedule for F22 yet). Emmanuel -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedo

Re: rfc: xserver rebase in F20 (was Re: Slipping F21)

2014-06-11 Thread Simone Caronni
Hello, On 11 June 2014 19:11, Sérgio Basto wrote: > > > Hi, why not begin by a xserver rebase in copr ? > > > > Personally, because I don't feel like doing the work twice. But if > > someone else wants to, sure, go for it. > > I could do it, also think about do it for eclipse-swt , but my probl

Re: Slipping F21

2014-06-11 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 11:14:41PM +0200, Emmanuel Seyman wrote: > * Reindl Harald [11/06/2014 17:44] : > > > > um F20 has Kernel 3.14, recent mesa, KDE 4.13 soon, recent LibreOffice > > and so on - what are you missing that justifies "move move, go on move!" > > Perl 5.20 was released in May but

Re: Slipping F21

2014-06-11 Thread Emmanuel Seyman
* Reindl Harald [11/06/2014 17:44] : > > um F20 has Kernel 3.14, recent mesa, KDE 4.13 soon, recent LibreOffice > and so on - what are you missing that justifies "move move, go on move!" Perl 5.20 was released in May but hasn't landed in Fedora yet (and won't until we've branched off F21 from rawh

Re: rfc: xserver rebase in F20 (was Re: Slipping F21)

2014-06-11 Thread drago01
On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 10:18 PM, David Airlie wrote: >> >> > To add some context the feature that I am asking for is working DRI3 + >> > present ... with mesa 10.2 >> > it gives us GLX_EXT_buffer_age which finally fixes tearing issues in >> > mutter that some user are experiencing >> > without us

Re: rfc: xserver rebase in F20 (was Re: Slipping F21)

2014-06-11 Thread David Airlie
> > > To add some context the feature that I am asking for is working DRI3 + > > present ... with mesa 10.2 > > it gives us GLX_EXT_buffer_age which finally fixes tearing issues in > > mutter that some user are experiencing > > without using workarounds like forcing the compositor to always redraw

Re: rfc: xserver rebase in F20 (was Re: Slipping F21)

2014-06-11 Thread David Airlie
> To add some context the feature that I am asking for is working DRI3 + > present ... with mesa 10.2 > it gives us GLX_EXT_buffer_age which finally fixes tearing issues in > mutter that some user are experiencing > without using workarounds like forcing the compositor to always redraw > the whole

Re: rfc: xserver rebase in F20 (was Re: Slipping F21)

2014-06-11 Thread Sérgio Basto
On Qua, 2014-06-11 at 12:40 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: > On Wed, 2014-06-11 at 17:19 +0100, Sérgio Basto wrote: > > On Qua, 2014-06-11 at 12:09 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: > > > On Wed, 2014-06-11 at 17:56 +0200, drago01 wrote: > > > > > > > Oh and xserver really .. I am the one that gets compla

Re: Slipping F21 (was: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2014-06-11))

2014-06-11 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message - > My personal opinion is that we ought to try not disrupting the release > schedule. > If some features miss the release train, it could wait 6 monthq (and, > I disagree with dropping the whole server products). > Fedora.Next is a big change in our model, our priority i

Re: rfc: xserver rebase in F20 (was Re: Slipping F21)

2014-06-11 Thread drago01
On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 6:09 PM, Adam Jackson wrote: > On Wed, 2014-06-11 at 17:56 +0200, drago01 wrote: > >> Oh and xserver really .. I am the one that gets complaints from users >> that I can't fix because of our ancient x11 stack. To add some context the feature that I am asking for is workin

Re: rfc: xserver rebase in F20 (was Re: Slipping F21)

2014-06-11 Thread Adam Jackson
On Wed, 2014-06-11 at 17:19 +0100, Sérgio Basto wrote: > On Qua, 2014-06-11 at 12:09 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: > > On Wed, 2014-06-11 at 17:56 +0200, drago01 wrote: > > > > > Oh and xserver really .. I am the one that gets complaints from users > > > that I can't fix because of our ancient x11

Re: rfc: xserver rebase in F20 (was Re: Slipping F21)

2014-06-11 Thread Sérgio Basto
On Qua, 2014-06-11 at 12:09 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: > On Wed, 2014-06-11 at 17:56 +0200, drago01 wrote: > > > Oh and xserver really .. I am the one that gets complaints from users > > that I can't fix because of our ancient x11 stack. > > I'm not intrinsically _opposed_ to rebasing X in F20.

Re: Slipping F21

2014-06-11 Thread Adam Jackson
On Wed, 2014-06-11 at 17:57 +0200, Jiri Eischmann wrote: > Reindl Harald píše v St 11. 06. 2014 v 17:44 +0200: > > Am 11.06.2014 17:41, schrieb Jiri Eischmann: > > > +1, we've already skipped one release and we just can't delay > > > significantly more. Fedora is known as a fast-moving distribution

rfc: xserver rebase in F20 (was Re: Slipping F21)

2014-06-11 Thread Adam Jackson
On Wed, 2014-06-11 at 17:56 +0200, drago01 wrote: > Oh and xserver really .. I am the one that gets complaints from users > that I can't fix because of our ancient x11 stack. I'm not intrinsically _opposed_ to rebasing X in F20. But it's not something we've done in any previous Fedora, and ther

Re: Slipping F21 (was: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2014-06-11))

2014-06-11 Thread Haïkel
My personal opinion is that we ought to try not disrupting the release schedule. If some features miss the release train, it could wait 6 monthq (and, I disagree with dropping the whole server products). Fedora.Next is a big change in our model, our priority is to release F21 and get some feedbacks

Re: Slipping F21

2014-06-11 Thread Jiri Eischmann
Reindl Harald píše v St 11. 06. 2014 v 17:44 +0200: > Am 11.06.2014 17:41, schrieb Jiri Eischmann: > > +1, we've already skipped one release and we just can't delay > > significantly more. Fedora is known as a fast-moving distribution. A > > large portion of our user base is using Fedora just for t

Re: Slipping F21

2014-06-11 Thread drago01
On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 5:51 PM, drago01 wrote: > On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 5:44 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: >> >> Am 11.06.2014 17:41, schrieb Jiri Eischmann: >>> +1, we've already skipped one release and we just can't delay >>> significantly more. Fedora is known as a fast-moving distribution. A >>>

Re: Slipping F21

2014-06-11 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
- Original Message - > From: "Reindl Harald" > To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 6:44:09 PM > Subject: Re: Slipping F21 > > > Am 11.06.2014 17:41, schrieb Jiri Eischmann: > > +1, we've already skipped one release

Re: Slipping F21

2014-06-11 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 (Sorry for double-reply; forgot to copy both lists) On 06/11/2014 10:56 AM, Kalev Lember wrote: > On 06/11/2014 04:37 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: >> I forgot to open a ticket over the last week, but the Server WG >> has identified that completion o

Re: Slipping F21

2014-06-11 Thread drago01
On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 5:44 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > Am 11.06.2014 17:41, schrieb Jiri Eischmann: >> +1, we've already skipped one release and we just can't delay >> significantly more. Fedora is known as a fast-moving distribution. A >> large portion of our user base is using Fedora just for

Re: Slipping F21 (was: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2014-06-11))

2014-06-11 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
- Original Message - > From: "Richard Hughes" > To: "Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop" > > Cc: "Development discussions related to Fedora" > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 6:28:06 PM > Subject: Re: Slippi

Re: Slipping F21

2014-06-11 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 11.06.2014 17:41, schrieb Jiri Eischmann: > +1, we've already skipped one release and we just can't delay > significantly more. Fedora is known as a fast-moving distribution. A > large portion of our user base is using Fedora just for that reason. Do > we really want to make even more of them s

Re: Slipping F21 (was: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2014-06-11))

2014-06-11 Thread Jiri Eischmann
Kalev Lember píše v St 11. 06. 2014 v 16:56 +0200: > On 06/11/2014 04:37 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > > I forgot to open a ticket over the last week, but the Server WG has > > identified that completion of its core task (the Server Role API) is > > likely to need a little extra time. This is a bl

Re: Slipping F21 (was: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2014-06-11))

2014-06-11 Thread Richard Hughes
On 11 June 2014 15:56, Kalev Lember wrote: > With my Workstation WG hat on, I'd very much like to avoid pushing back > the schedule. We already skipped one whole release; if we slip F21 it's > going to negatively impact how users perceive the Workstation, and make > it harder for Workstation devel

Slipping F21 (was: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2014-06-11))

2014-06-11 Thread Kalev Lember
On 06/11/2014 04:37 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > I forgot to open a ticket over the last week, but the Server WG has > identified that completion of its core task (the Server Role API) is > likely to need a little extra time. This is a blocker to release, so > we figured it would be best to ask F