Re: Requesting a change to the BugStatusWorkFlow: Closed/UPSTREAM

2012-01-23 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2012-01-23 at 11:00 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Mon, 2012-01-23 at 07:42 +0100, David Tardon wrote: > > On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 12:27:10PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > > On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 08:16:31AM +0100, David Tardon wrote: > > > > The libreoffice team uses this resol

Re: Requesting a change to the BugStatusWorkFlow: Closed/UPSTREAM

2012-01-23 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2012-01-23 at 07:42 +0100, David Tardon wrote: > On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 12:27:10PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 08:16:31AM +0100, David Tardon wrote: > > > The libreoffice team uses this resolution for > > > > > > 1) bugs that are not reproducible, but we _

Re: Requesting a change to the BugStatusWorkFlow: Closed/UPSTREAM

2012-01-23 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2012-01-21 at 12:33 +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 06:31:44PM -0500, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > > For the record, I am referencing > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/BugStatusWorkFlow#CLOSED > > > > Currently, the official bug lifecycle includes the fo

Re: Requesting a change to the BugStatusWorkFlow: Closed/UPSTREAM

2012-01-23 Thread Stephen Gallagher
On Fri, 2012-01-20 at 08:16 +0100, David Tardon wrote: > On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 06:31:44PM -0500, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > > For the record, I am referencing > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/BugStatusWorkFlow#CLOSED > > > > Currently, the official bug lifecycle includes the followin

Re: Requesting a change to the BugStatusWorkFlow: Closed/UPSTREAM

2012-01-23 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 07:42:57AM +0100, David Tardon wrote: > On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 12:27:10PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 08:16:31AM +0100, David Tardon wrote: > > > The libreoffice team uses this resolution for > > > > > > 1) bugs that are not reproducible, b

Re: Requesting a change to the BugStatusWorkFlow: Closed/UPSTREAM

2012-01-22 Thread David Tardon
On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 12:33:29PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 06:31:44PM -0500, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > > For the record, I am referencing > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/BugStatusWorkFlow#CLOSED > > > > Currently, the official bug lifecycle includes

Re: Requesting a change to the BugStatusWorkFlow: Closed/UPSTREAM

2012-01-22 Thread David Tardon
On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 12:27:10PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 08:16:31AM +0100, David Tardon wrote: > > The libreoffice team uses this resolution for > > > > 1) bugs that are not reproducible, but we _think_ we know what is the > > cause (these are mostly "fire and

Re: Requesting a change to the BugStatusWorkFlow: Closed/UPSTREAM

2012-01-21 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 06:31:44PM -0500, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > For the record, I am referencing > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/BugStatusWorkFlow#CLOSED > > Currently, the official bug lifecycle includes the following phrase: > "The resolution UPSTREAM can be used by maintainers t

Re: Requesting a change to the BugStatusWorkFlow: Closed/UPSTREAM

2012-01-21 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 08:16:31AM +0100, David Tardon wrote: > On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 06:31:44PM -0500, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > > For the record, I am referencing > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/BugStatusWorkFlow#CLOSED > > > > Currently, the official bug lifecycle includes the f

Re: Requesting a change to the BugStatusWorkFlow: Closed/UPSTREAM

2012-01-20 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2012-01-20 at 09:30 +, Tim Waugh wrote: > On Fri, 2012-01-20 at 08:39 +0100, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: > > I use closed/upstream, when I already fixed it in upstream. This bug > > should be closed with number of release, where it is fixed or with the > > link to the commit. I wouldn't

Re: Requesting a change to the BugStatusWorkFlow: Closed/UPSTREAM

2012-01-20 Thread Emmanuel Seyman
* Ralf Corsepius [20/01/2012 19:53] : > > Surely the bug is open: The product you are supposed to be > responsible for (A Fedora package) suffers from an unfixed bug, > documented in bugzilla. Anyone looking in brc for the unfixed bugs of a package is going to be severely disappointed. Bugs there

Re: Requesting a change to the BugStatusWorkFlow: Closed/UPSTREAM

2012-01-20 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 01/20/2012 05:55 PM, Emmanuel Seyman wrote: * Ralf Corsepius [20/01/2012 15:25] : ... and why no simply keep these BZs "open" and/or to add a note Because the bug isn't open. Surely the bug is open: The product you are supposed to be responsible for (A Fedora package) suffers from an unfi

Re: Requesting a change to the BugStatusWorkFlow: Closed/UPSTREAM

2012-01-20 Thread Stephen Gallagher
On Fri, 2012-01-20 at 11:24 -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Stephen Gallagher (sgall...@redhat.com) said: > > Essentially, when closing this bug as UPSTREAM, we are communicating to > > our users "This will get fixed. Probably. And it will get pulled into > > Fedora eventually. Probably." Most peo

Re: Requesting a change to the BugStatusWorkFlow: Closed/UPSTREAM

2012-01-20 Thread Emmanuel Seyman
* Ralf Corsepius [20/01/2012 15:25] : > > ... and why no simply keep these BZs "open" and/or to add a note Because the bug isn't open. There's nothing more to do on it in its present state and having it show up in lists of open bugs is counter-productive. > This would at least reflect the actual

Re: Requesting a change to the BugStatusWorkFlow: Closed/UPSTREAM

2012-01-20 Thread Frank Murphy
On 20/01/12 16:24, Bill Nottingham wrote: In that case, I will likely open up a bug upstream, and close the Fedora bug, because it is really not up to me at all when, or *if*, such a bug gets fixed; as a downstream maintainer, I'm not going to put changes of that sort into Fedora alone, and upst

Re: Requesting a change to the BugStatusWorkFlow: Closed/UPSTREAM

2012-01-20 Thread Bill Nottingham
Stephen Gallagher (sgall...@redhat.com) said: > Essentially, when closing this bug as UPSTREAM, we are communicating to > our users "This will get fixed. Probably. And it will get pulled into > Fedora eventually. Probably." Most people, when they can actually be > convinced to file a real bug repo

Re: Requesting a change to the BugStatusWorkFlow: Closed/UPSTREAM

2012-01-20 Thread Matej Cepl
On 20.1.2012 13:20, Stephen Gallagher wrote: That's a fantastic idea, and probably an ideal solution. Unfortunately, we're also talking about a minimum of several months' work to get that in place, just on the engineering side. Not including the deployment testing period. Sure. Just to note tha

Re: Requesting a change to the BugStatusWorkFlow: Closed/UPSTREAM

2012-01-20 Thread Stijn Hoop
On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 07:20:20 -0500 Stephen Gallagher wrote: > Well, the proposal I'm making is the one that I've been following > personally in my own projects, which I feel is providing better > service to my users. Speaking as a (mostly) user: I agree with this statement. I would rather have th

Re: Requesting a change to the BugStatusWorkFlow: Closed/UPSTREAM

2012-01-20 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 01/20/2012 02:04 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: - Original Message - On Fri, 2012-01-20 at 09:30 +, Tim Waugh wrote: We already had this discussion, I don't recall exactly - two years ago and the resolution was similar - rename CLOSED UPSTREAM to HOLD UPSTREAM. I can try to find it

Re: Requesting a change to the BugStatusWorkFlow: Closed/UPSTREAM

2012-01-20 Thread Stephen Gallagher
On Fri, 2012-01-20 at 08:04 -0500, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > - Original Message - > > On Fri, 2012-01-20 at 09:30 +, Tim Waugh wrote: > > > On Fri, 2012-01-20 at 08:39 +0100, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: > > > > I use closed/upstream, when I already fixed it in upstream. This > > > > bug > >

Re: Requesting a change to the BugStatusWorkFlow: Closed/UPSTREAM

2012-01-20 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message - > On Fri, 2012-01-20 at 09:30 +, Tim Waugh wrote: > > On Fri, 2012-01-20 at 08:39 +0100, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: > > > I use closed/upstream, when I already fixed it in upstream. This > > > bug > > > should be closed with number of release, where it is fixed or > >

Re: Requesting a change to the BugStatusWorkFlow: Closed/UPSTREAM

2012-01-20 Thread Stephen Gallagher
On Fri, 2012-01-20 at 09:30 +, Tim Waugh wrote: > On Fri, 2012-01-20 at 08:39 +0100, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: > > I use closed/upstream, when I already fixed it in upstream. This bug > > should be closed with number of release, where it is fixed or with the > > link to the commit. I wouldn't

Re: Requesting a change to the BugStatusWorkFlow: Closed/UPSTREAM

2012-01-20 Thread Stephen Gallagher
On Fri, 2012-01-20 at 09:17 +0100, Matej Cepl wrote: > On 20.1.2012 00:31, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > > Currently, the official bug lifecycle includes the following phrase: > > "The resolution UPSTREAM can be used by maintainers to denote a bug that > > they expect to be fixed by upstream developme

Re: Requesting a change to the BugStatusWorkFlow: Closed/UPSTREAM

2012-01-20 Thread Tim Waugh
On Fri, 2012-01-20 at 08:39 +0100, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: > I use closed/upstream, when I already fixed it in upstream. This bug > should be closed with number of release, where it is fixed or with the > link to the commit. I wouldn't blame this state for not fixing bug in > some projects. I g

Re: Requesting a change to the BugStatusWorkFlow: Closed/UPSTREAM

2012-01-20 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 01/20/2012 08:39 AM, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: On 01/20/2012 12:31 AM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: I use closed/upstream, when I already fixed it in upstream. This bug should be closed with number of release, where it is fixed or with the link to the commit. I wouldn't blame this state for not

Re: Requesting a change to the BugStatusWorkFlow: Closed/UPSTREAM

2012-01-20 Thread Matej Cepl
On 20.1.2012 00:31, Stephen Gallagher wrote: Currently, the official bug lifecycle includes the following phrase: "The resolution UPSTREAM can be used by maintainers to denote a bug that they expect to be fixed by upstream development and naturally rolled back into Fedora as part of the update pr

Re: Requesting a change to the BugStatusWorkFlow: Closed/UPSTREAM

2012-01-19 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
On 01/20/2012 12:31 AM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: For the record, I am referencing http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/BugStatusWorkFlow#CLOSED Currently, the official bug lifecycle includes the following phrase: "The resolution UPSTREAM can be used by maintainers to denote a bug that they e

Re: Requesting a change to the BugStatusWorkFlow: Closed/UPSTREAM

2012-01-19 Thread David Tardon
On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 06:31:44PM -0500, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > For the record, I am referencing > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/BugStatusWorkFlow#CLOSED > > Currently, the official bug lifecycle includes the following phrase: > "The resolution UPSTREAM can be used by maintainers t

Re: Requesting a change to the BugStatusWorkFlow: Closed/UPSTREAM

2012-01-19 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 01/20/2012 12:31 AM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: For the record, I am referencing http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/BugStatusWorkFlow#CLOSED Currently, the official bug lifecycle includes the following phrase: "The resolution UPSTREAM can be used by maintainers to denote a bug that they e

Requesting a change to the BugStatusWorkFlow: Closed/UPSTREAM

2012-01-19 Thread Stephen Gallagher
For the record, I am referencing http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/BugStatusWorkFlow#CLOSED Currently, the official bug lifecycle includes the following phrase: "The resolution UPSTREAM can be used by maintainers to denote a bug that they expect to be fixed by upstream development and natur