Re: phoronix benchmarks ext4 vs. btrfs

2012-03-10 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 09.03.2012 06:19, schrieb Chris Murphy: > The one anomaly is the 3rd ext4 copy. > Maybe it wasn't quite done writing out the 2nd copy? this usually happens without explicit "sync" > Compared to btrfs and XFS, there was a lot of intermittent disk activity > well after the copy had finished

Re: phoronix benchmarks ext4 vs. btrfs

2012-03-09 Thread David Quigley
On 03/09/2012 11:00, Josef Bacik wrote: On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 10:11 AM, David Quigley wrote: On 03/09/2012 08:42, Przemek Klosowski wrote: On 03/09/2012 01:43 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2012-03-08 at 22:19 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: I'm not sure how useful 'time' is as a benchmar

Re: phoronix benchmarks ext4 vs. btrfs

2012-03-09 Thread Josef Bacik
On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 10:11 AM, David Quigley wrote: > On 03/09/2012 08:42, Przemek Klosowski wrote: >> >> On 03/09/2012 01:43 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: >>> >>> On Thu, 2012-03-08 at 22:19 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: I'm not sure how useful 'time' is as a benchmark for file copies. >>>

Re: phoronix benchmarks ext4 vs. btrfs

2012-03-09 Thread David Quigley
On 03/09/2012 08:42, Przemek Klosowski wrote: On 03/09/2012 01:43 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2012-03-08 at 22:19 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: I'm not sure how useful 'time' is as a benchmark for file copies. Don't file transfers get cached and return to a console as 'complete' long be

Re: phoronix benchmarks ext4 vs. btrfs

2012-03-09 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 03/09/2012 01:43 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2012-03-08 at 22:19 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: I'm not sure how useful 'time' is as a benchmark for file copies. Don't file transfers get cached and return to a console as 'complete' long before the data is ever written, sometimes? I'm pr

Re: phoronix benchmarks ext4 vs. btrfs

2012-03-09 Thread Chris Murphy
On Mar 9, 2012, at 12:30 AM, Matthias Runge wrote: >> > if your file system places data inefficiently on disk/storage, you want > to measure this, too. If you're comparing file system speed, I think, > you should measure the whole thing and be sure to create comparable > data. The source files

Re: phoronix benchmarks ext4 vs. btrfs

2012-03-08 Thread Matthias Runge
On 09/03/12 08:13, Chris Murphy wrote: > OK well if I'm going to use real files, and I don't want disk read > performance to be a factor in this, I kinda need to put the source > files into a ramdisk. So if it's 3x of cache, out of 7.4G free, a 6G > ramdisk would be at least 3x that of what remains

Re: phoronix benchmarks ext4 vs. btrfs

2012-03-08 Thread Chris Murphy
On Mar 9, 2012, at 12:10 AM, Matthias Runge wrote: > On 09/03/12 07:43, Adam Williamson wrote: >> Don't file transfers get cached and return to a console as 'complete' >> long before the data is ever written, sometimes? > > I've learned a long time ago, if you want to get near real numbers, you

Re: phoronix benchmarks ext4 vs. btrfs

2012-03-08 Thread Matthias Runge
On 09/03/12 07:43, Adam Williamson wrote: > Don't file transfers get cached and return to a console as 'complete' > long before the data is ever written, sometimes? I've learned a long time ago, if you want to get near real numbers, you have to write data at least three times larger than memory si

Re: phoronix benchmarks ext4 vs. btrfs

2012-03-08 Thread Chris Murphy
On Mar 8, 2012, at 11:43 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Thu, 2012-03-08 at 22:19 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: >> I'm not sure how useful 'time' is as a benchmark for file copies. > > Don't file transfers get cached and return to a console as 'complete' > long before the data is ever written, somet

Re: phoronix benchmarks ext4 vs. btrfs

2012-03-08 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2012-03-08 at 22:19 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: > I'm not sure how useful 'time' is as a benchmark for file copies. Don't file transfers get cached and return to a console as 'complete' long before the data is ever written, sometimes? I'm pretty sure you sometimes hit the case where you co

Re: phoronix benchmarks ext4 vs. btrfs

2012-03-08 Thread Chris Murphy
I'm not sure how useful 'time' is as a benchmark for file copies. But that's what I used getting copy time for a folder containing 325 ~7.2MB files (DNGs) totaling 2.3G. First I copied the files to tmpfs, and made all copies from that to the destination. Destination device and partition is alway

Re: phoronix benchmarks ext4 vs. btrfs

2012-03-07 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Wed, Mar 07, 2012 at 04:01:48PM -0600, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > Chris Murphy wrote: > >Well, most of my colleagues and customers with desktop systems have rather > >extreme storage requirements. Individual files multi gigabyte composited > >image files. So an SSD is nice for speed, but cos

Re: phoronix benchmarks ext4 vs. btrfs

2012-03-07 Thread Chris Murphy
On Mar 7, 2012, at 3:58 PM, drago01 wrote: > > It will come to a complete crawl which was exactly my point, faster > storage does not really help you in that situation. Umm, that would seem to be fundamentally broken. I certainly haven't had this experience on Mac OS X in cases where it has star

Re: phoronix benchmarks ext4 vs. btrfs

2012-03-07 Thread drago01
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 11:53 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > > > On Mar 7, 2012, at 3:31 PM, drago01 wrote: > >> On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 11:14 PM, Chris Murphy >> wrote: >>> >>> On Mar 7, 2012, at 3:01 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: Yes, such a feature was submitted[1], but it has never been commi

Re: phoronix benchmarks ext4 vs. btrfs

2012-03-07 Thread John Reiser
> I think I'd rather see a portion of the SSD be a discrete device so that the > system and application scratch/swap can be pointed to it - rather than as > cache. I'm not sure that this data would always stay hot enough to be assured > of being in an SSD cache, whereas a discretely defined devi

Re: phoronix benchmarks ext4 vs. btrfs

2012-03-07 Thread Chris Murphy
On Mar 7, 2012, at 3:31 PM, drago01 wrote: > On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 11:14 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: >> >> On Mar 7, 2012, at 3:01 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: >>> Yes, such a feature was submitted[1], but it has never been committed by >>> Chris AFAIK. There is also a OS-agnostic method of th

Re: phoronix benchmarks ext4 vs. btrfs

2012-03-07 Thread drago01
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 11:14 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > > On Mar 7, 2012, at 3:01 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: >> Yes, such a feature was submitted[1], but it has never been committed by >> Chris AFAIK. There is also a OS-agnostic method of this. Seagate XT drives >> use a small SSD as a cache.

Re: phoronix benchmarks ext4 vs. btrfs

2012-03-07 Thread Chris Murphy
On Mar 7, 2012, at 3:01 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > Yes, such a feature was submitted[1], but it has never been committed by > Chris AFAIK. There is also a OS-agnostic method of this. Seagate XT drives > use a small SSD as a cache. Then there is also a Windows method with Intel's > SSD Cac

Re: phoronix benchmarks ext4 vs. btrfs

2012-03-07 Thread Michael Cronenworth
Chris Murphy wrote: Well, most of my colleagues and customers with desktop systems have rather extreme storage requirements. Individual files multi gigabyte composited image files. So an SSD is nice for speed, but cost prohibitive for everything to be stored on SSD. What they need is a file sy

Re: phoronix benchmarks ext4 vs. btrfs

2012-03-07 Thread Chris Murphy
On Mar 7, 2012, at 2:31 PM, drago01 wrote: > "Assuming you are talking about a desktop system just buy a ssd and > never worry about I/O ever again." Well, most of my colleagues and customers with desktop systems have rather extreme storage requirements. Individual files multi gigabyte composite

Re: phoronix benchmarks ext4 vs. btrfs

2012-03-07 Thread drago01
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 10:30 PM, drago01 wrote: > On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 10:27 PM, Nelson Marques wrote: >> If your stuff depends on IO, you should give XFS a try :) > > Assuming you are not talking about a desktop system just buy a ssd and > never worry about I/O every again. Err.. that should

Re: phoronix benchmarks ext4 vs. btrfs

2012-03-07 Thread drago01
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 10:27 PM, Nelson Marques wrote: > If your stuff depends on IO, you should give XFS a try :) Assuming you are not talking about a desktop system just buy a ssd and never worry about I/O every again. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedorapro

Re: phoronix benchmarks ext4 vs. btrfs

2012-03-07 Thread Nelson Marques
If your stuff depends on IO, you should give XFS a try :) 2012/3/2 Richard Shaw : > 2012/3/2 Michał Piotrowski : >> More frightening benchmarks are shown here >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FegjLbCnoBw > > That was a pretty cool video. Makes me want to try XFS again. > > Richard > -- > devel ma

Re: phoronix benchmarks ext4 vs. btrfs

2012-03-02 Thread Richard Shaw
2012/3/2 Michał Piotrowski : > More frightening benchmarks are shown here > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FegjLbCnoBw That was a pretty cool video. Makes me want to try XFS again. Richard -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: phoronix benchmarks ext4 vs. btrfs

2012-03-02 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Fri, Mar 02, 2012 at 11:33:28AM -0500, Neal Becker wrote: > Be careful what you wish for. btrfs is not a clear win on performance. > [...] phoronix.com [...] Be careful what you believe. Rich. -- Richard Jones, Virtualization Group, Red Hat http://people.redhat.com/~rjones New in Fedora 1

Re: phoronix benchmarks ext4 vs. btrfs

2012-03-02 Thread Michał Piotrowski
Hi, 2012/3/2 Neal Becker : > Be careful what you wish for.  btrfs is not a clear win on performance. More frightening benchmarks are shown here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FegjLbCnoBw This does not surprise me. Btrfs has more features than Ext4, so it may be slower. If anyone wants Btrfs as