Re: biosdevname hitting rawhide

2010-12-01 Thread Matt Domsch
On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 04:11:52PM -0600, Matt Domsch wrote: > On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 10:13:30PM +0100, Fabian Deutsch wrote: > > Good day, > > > > Am Dienstag, den 30.11.2010, 13:04 -0600 schrieb Matt Domsch: > > > On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 08:48:05PM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > > > On 11/29/

Re: biosdevname hitting rawhide

2010-12-01 Thread Matt Domsch
On Wed, Dec 01, 2010 at 01:18:09PM -0500, Przemek Klosowski wrote: > On 11/30/2010 05:24 PM, Matt Domsch wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 04:22:54PM -0600, Matt Domsch wrote: > >> On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 04:18:10PM -0600, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > > >>> Many desktops have dual-NICs. I'm typin

Re: biosdevname hitting rawhide

2010-12-01 Thread Michael Cronenworth
Przemek Klosowski wrote: > Huh? so the first device (handle 2D) will be called 'em0' and the second > device (handle 3D) will be also called 'em0'? 2D and 3D reference one NIC. I only had one NIC in my e-mail to avoid it being lengthy. ;) -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https:

Re: biosdevname hitting rawhide

2010-12-01 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 11/30/2010 05:24 PM, Matt Domsch wrote: > On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 04:22:54PM -0600, Matt Domsch wrote: >> On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 04:18:10PM -0600, Michael Cronenworth wrote: >>> Many desktops have dual-NICs. I'm typing from an SMBIOS 2.6 ASUS desktop >>> motherboard with dual-NICs. >>> >>> Han

Re: biosdevname hitting rawhide

2010-12-01 Thread Genes MailLists
On 12/01/2010 10:13 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: > > Because it's not so almighty. In BSD-land, including Solaris, the devices > are named after the driver, so you get /dev/sis0 and /dev/bge1 and > /dev/e1000g0 and whatnot. > That BSD scheme suffers the same pitfalls as the current fedora scheme

Re: biosdevname hitting rawhide

2010-12-01 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 04:29:32PM -0600, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > Interesting work, Matt. I'm surprised the Unix purists who would fight > you to death to keep sendmail on desktops would allow you to change the > almighty eth* naming scheme. Because it's not so almighty. In BSD-land, includ

Re: biosdevname hitting rawhide

2010-12-01 Thread Genes MailLists
On 12/01/2010 07:55 AM, Ralf Ertzinger wrote: > Hi. > > On Wed, 1 Dec 2010 01:33:33 + (UTC), Ben Boeckel wrote: > >> Why? FreeBSD (and other BSDs, I'm sure) have been naming network >> interfaces based on the manufacturer, at least, for a while now (I >> personally started with 7.x and am uns

Re: biosdevname hitting rawhide

2010-12-01 Thread Ralf Ertzinger
Hi. On Wed, 1 Dec 2010 01:33:33 + (UTC), Ben Boeckel wrote: > Why? FreeBSD (and other BSDs, I'm sure) have been naming network > interfaces based on the manufacturer, at least, for a while now (I > personally started with 7.x and am unsure of when that was new). I was > always curious why eth

Re: biosdevname hitting rawhide

2010-12-01 Thread Jon Masters
On Wed, 2010-12-01 at 14:04 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 12/01/2010 01:50 PM, Jon Masters wrote: > > On Tue, 2010-11-30 at 16:29 -0600, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > >> > >> OK. Perhaps the wiki should be updated to state the feature works more > >> generically (SMBIOS 2.6+) and not for just D

Re: biosdevname hitting rawhide

2010-12-01 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 12/01/2010 01:50 PM, Jon Masters wrote: > On Tue, 2010-11-30 at 16:29 -0600, Michael Cronenworth wrote: >> >> OK. Perhaps the wiki should be updated to state the feature works more >> generically (SMBIOS 2.6+) and not for just Dell/HP systems? > +1 > > And also, I'd love to see fewer attacks on

Re: biosdevname hitting rawhide

2010-12-01 Thread Jon Masters
On Tue, 2010-11-30 at 16:29 -0600, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > Matt Domsch wrote: > >> > Yes, your system, on new install, or if you delete > >> > /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules and the HWADDR lines from > >> > /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-*, will then use the new names. > >

Re: biosdevname hitting rawhide

2010-11-30 Thread Matt Domsch
On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 06:36:17PM -0600, Joe Nall wrote: > As someone who deals with HP DL580 boxes with 6+ NICs routinely, > this is good stuff. Deterministic naming of the built in NICs will > simplify installation instructions for us. Thanks for the good word! > Are the internal names going t

Re: biosdevname hitting rawhide

2010-11-30 Thread Ben Boeckel
Michael Cronenworth wrote: > Interesting work, Matt. I'm surprised the Unix purists who would fight > you to death to keep sendmail on desktops would allow you to change the > almighty eth* naming scheme. Why? FreeBSD (and other BSDs, I'm sure) have been naming network interfaces based on the m

Re: biosdevname hitting rawhide

2010-11-30 Thread Joe Nall
On Nov 30, 2010, at 4:34 PM, Matt Domsch wrote: > On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 04:29:32PM -0600, Michael Cronenworth wrote: >> Matt Domsch wrote: > Yes, your system, on new install, or if you delete > /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules and the HWADDR lines from > /etc/sysconfig/netw

Re: biosdevname hitting rawhide

2010-11-30 Thread Matt Domsch
On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 04:29:32PM -0600, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > Matt Domsch wrote: > >> > Yes, your system, on new install, or if you delete > >> > /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules and the HWADDR lines from > >> > /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-*, will then use the new name

Re: biosdevname hitting rawhide

2010-11-30 Thread Michael Cronenworth
Matt Domsch wrote: >> > Yes, your system, on new install, or if you delete >> > /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules and the HWADDR lines from >> > /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-*, will then use the new names. > specifically, em0 for the above device, and em for the > second NIC spe

Re: biosdevname hitting rawhide

2010-11-30 Thread Matt Domsch
On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 04:22:54PM -0600, Matt Domsch wrote: > On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 04:18:10PM -0600, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > > Matt Domsch wrote: > > > I don't expect desktops to expose > > > this information - they have only 1 NIC. > > > > Many desktops have dual-NICs. I'm typing from an

Re: biosdevname hitting rawhide

2010-11-30 Thread Matt Domsch
On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 04:18:10PM -0600, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > Matt Domsch wrote: > > I don't expect desktops to expose > > this information - they have only 1 NIC. > > Many desktops have dual-NICs. I'm typing from an SMBIOS 2.6 ASUS desktop > motherboard with dual-NICs. > > Handle 0x002

Re: biosdevname hitting rawhide

2010-11-30 Thread John Reiser
On 11/30/2010 01:12 PM, Matt Domsch wrote: > I don't expect desktops to expose > this information - they have only 1 NIC. There are 2 built-in NIC ports on at least a couple ASUS and Gigabyte motherboards that have been sold into the "desktop" market in the last couple years. My desktops also ha

Re: biosdevname hitting rawhide

2010-11-30 Thread Michael Cronenworth
Matt Domsch wrote: > I don't expect desktops to expose > this information - they have only 1 NIC. Many desktops have dual-NICs. I'm typing from an SMBIOS 2.6 ASUS desktop motherboard with dual-NICs. Handle 0x002D, DMI type 10, 6 bytes On Board Device Information Type: Ethernet

Re: biosdevname hitting rawhide

2010-11-30 Thread Matt Domsch
On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 10:13:30PM +0100, Fabian Deutsch wrote: > Good day, > > Am Dienstag, den 30.11.2010, 13:04 -0600 schrieb Matt Domsch: > > On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 08:48:05PM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > > On 11/29/2010 08:27 PM, Matt Domsch wrote: > > > > On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 12:17:2

Re: biosdevname hitting rawhide

2010-11-30 Thread Matt Domsch
On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 03:25:45PM -0600, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > Matt Domsch wrote: > > I've pushed the comps change to pull biosdevname into @base by > > default. And I've posted a patch to anaconda-devel-list to pull > > biosdevname into the installtime environment. Cross your fingers, >

Re: biosdevname hitting rawhide

2010-11-30 Thread Michael Cronenworth
Matt Domsch wrote: > I've pushed the comps change to pull biosdevname into @base by > default. And I've posted a patch to anaconda-devel-list to pull > biosdevname into the installtime environment. Cross your fingers, > this is gonna be great! Could anaconda not be smart enough to pull this in t

Re: biosdevname hitting rawhide

2010-11-30 Thread Matt Domsch
On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 10:13:30PM +0100, Fabian Deutsch wrote: > Good day, > > Am Dienstag, den 30.11.2010, 13:04 -0600 schrieb Matt Domsch: > > On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 08:48:05PM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > > On 11/29/2010 08:27 PM, Matt Domsch wrote: > > > > On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 12:17:2

Re: biosdevname hitting rawhide

2010-11-30 Thread Fabian Deutsch
Good day, Am Dienstag, den 30.11.2010, 13:04 -0600 schrieb Matt Domsch: > On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 08:48:05PM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > On 11/29/2010 08:27 PM, Matt Domsch wrote: > > > On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 12:17:22AM -0600, Matt Domsch wrote: > > >> I've just pushed biosdevname-0.3.1 into

Re: biosdevname hitting rawhide

2010-11-30 Thread Matt Domsch
On Wed, Dec 01, 2010 at 02:37:04AM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >On 12/01/2010 12:34 AM, Matt Domsch wrote: > > Can you expand the release notes section of > > [1]http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/ConsistentNetworkDeviceNaming > > Please include the benefits in that. > > Done. > >

Re: biosdevname hitting rawhide

2010-11-30 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 12/01/2010 12:34 AM, Matt Domsch wrote: Can you expand the release notes section of http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/ConsistentNetworkDeviceNaming Please include the benefits in that. Done. Can you explain why only those particular HP and Dell models are affected by this change? I

Re: biosdevname hitting rawhide

2010-11-30 Thread Matt Domsch
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 08:48:05PM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 11/29/2010 08:27 PM, Matt Domsch wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 12:17:22AM -0600, Matt Domsch wrote: > >> I've just pushed biosdevname-0.3.1 into rawhide. This is not yet > >> installed by default as part of @base, nor is it

Re: biosdevname hitting rawhide

2010-11-29 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 11/29/2010 08:27 PM, Matt Domsch wrote: > On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 12:17:22AM -0600, Matt Domsch wrote: >> I've just pushed biosdevname-0.3.1 into rawhide. This is not yet >> installed by default as part of @base, nor is it used by anaconda, but >> those changes will come over the next few days.

Re: biosdevname hitting rawhide

2010-11-29 Thread Matt Domsch
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 12:17:22AM -0600, Matt Domsch wrote: > I've just pushed biosdevname-0.3.1 into rawhide. This is not yet > installed by default as part of @base, nor is it used by anaconda, but > those changes will come over the next few days. I've pushed the comps change to pull biosdevna