On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 09:01:15PM +0200, Nikos Roussos wrote:
> > The fact that the package is calling home (whether or not the location
> > of the IP is checked), is a form of tracking. Particularly since firefox
> > updates are being handled by Fedora and there is no need for our version
> >
On 14 February 2014 06:08, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> On 02/13/2014 07:50 PM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
>>
>>
>> Le Jeu 13 février 2014 19:40, Rahul Sundaram a écrit :
>>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
>>>
A party who is molesting me with ads and tries t
- Original Message -
> From the original post at [1]:
>
> "Directory Tiles will instead suggest pre-packaged content for
> first-time users. Some of these tile placements will be from the
> Mozilla ecosystem, some will be popular websites in a given geographic
> location, and some will b
On 02/13/2014 07:50 PM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
Le Jeu 13 février 2014 19:40, Rahul Sundaram a écrit :
Hi
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
A party who is molesting me with ads and tries to spy on me, hardly is
my
friend.
That certainly goes way too far. We have ass
On 02/13/2014 07:21 PM, DJ Delorie wrote:
A party who is molesting me with ads and tries to spy on me, hardly
is my friend.
Those are strong words, and based mostly on here-say. Even the Fedora
installer "molests you with ads" for various non-default packages.
Should we ban the installer? O
On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 02:09:29 +0100,
Kevin Kofler wrote:
This is a particular case because Firefox is our default browser on almost
all our spins (only the KDE spin defaults to Konqueror+KWebKitPart). Given
that, IMHO, it is completely unacceptable for Firefox to show ads (that
aren't part
Kai Engert wrote:
> Are we allowed to ship software in Fedora that dynamically loads
> advertisements from the web and shows them to users?
Not sure, but it's really not a nice thing for software to do.
> Is the Fedora community willing to accept Mozilla's desire to show
> advertisements in Firef
On 13 February 2014 18:50, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
>
> Le Jeu 13 février 2014 19:40, Rahul Sundaram a écrit :
>> Hi
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
>>
>>> A party who is molesting me with ads and tries to spy on me, hardly is
>>> my
>>> friend.
>>
>>
>> That certain
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 14:11:38 -0500,
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 1:50 PM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
How can they give any assurance? Unless the targets of those ads are
hosted by mozilla...
Maybe that is exactly what they are going to do? They haven't published all
of
Hi
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 1:50 PM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
>
> How can they give any assurance? Unless the targets of those ads are
> hosted by mozilla...
Maybe that is exactly what they are going to do? They haven't published all
of their plans yet and when they do, we can very well verify t
On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 11:03 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
> in the shape of a long short rectangle
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On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 13:21 -0500, DJ Delorie wrote:
> > A party who is molesting me with ads and tries to spy on me, hardly
> > is my friend.
>
> Those are strong words, and based mostly on here-say. Even the Fedora
> installer "molests you with ads" for various non-default packages.
Those aren
On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 17:39 +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
> Le Jeu 13 février 2014 15:47, Nikos Roussos a écrit :
> > On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 15:28 +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
> >> Le Mer 12 février 2014 17:20, Nikos Roussos a écrit :
> >>
> >> > The "New Tab" feature will provide quick access to p
On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 10:23 -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 16:47:38 +0200,
>Nikos Roussos wrote:
> >On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 15:28 +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
> >> Le Mer 12 février 2014 17:20, Nikos Roussos a écrit :
> >>
> >> > The "New Tab" feature will provide quick
Le Jeu 13 février 2014 19:40, Rahul Sundaram a écrit :
> Hi
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
>
>> A party who is molesting me with ads and tries to spy on me, hardly is
>> my
>> friend.
>
>
> That certainly goes way too far. We have assurance from Mozilla that
> there
Hi
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> A party who is molesting me with ads and tries to spy on me, hardly is my
> friend.
That certainly goes way too far. We have assurance from Mozilla that there
is no spying or tracking going on here and we have yet to see what form o
> A party who is molesting me with ads and tries to spy on me, hardly
> is my friend.
Those are strong words, and based mostly on here-say. Even the Fedora
installer "molests you with ads" for various non-default packages.
Should we ban the installer? Of course not.
There are specific issues t
On 02/13/2014 05:41 PM, DJ Delorie wrote:
Why do we care about using the Firefox trademark? We should just
rename the package. Debian do that and it hasn't hurt them.
Debian has different core values than Fedora does. The relevent
Fedora value is this one:
Friends
We believe succes
On 02/13/2014 05:04 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 03:36:00PM +0100, Kai Engert wrote:
Question (2)
Is the Fedora community willing to accept Mozilla's desire to show
advertisements in Firefox?
Sub-question (2b):
Why do we care about using the Firefox trademark?
I don'
> Why do we care about using the Firefox trademark? We should just
> rename the package. Debian do that and it hasn't hurt them.
Debian has different core values than Fedora does. The relevent
Fedora value is this one:
Friends
We believe success comes from a strong community, made of peo
Le Jeu 13 février 2014 15:47, Nikos Roussos a écrit :
> On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 15:28 +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
>> Le Mer 12 février 2014 17:20, Nikos Roussos a écrit :
>>
>> > The "New Tab" feature will provide quick access to popular sites in
>> the
>> > users location, without any collection
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 16:47:38 +0200,
Nikos Roussos wrote:
On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 15:28 +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
Le Mer 12 février 2014 17:20, Nikos Roussos a écrit :
> The "New Tab" feature will provide quick access to popular sites in the
> users location, without any collection of p
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 16:04:01 +,
"Richard W.M. Jones" wrote:
Sub-question (2b):
Why do we care about using the Firefox trademark? We should just
rename the package. Debian do that and it hasn't hurt them. It makes
the software more free because we don't have to beg someone to be abl
On February 13, 2014 6:04:01 PM EET, "Richard W.M. Jones"
wrote:
>On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 03:36:00PM +0100, Kai Engert wrote:
>> Question (2)
>>
>> Is the Fedora community willing to accept Mozilla's desire to show
>> advertisements in Firefox?
>
>Sub-question (2b):
>
>Why do we care about usin
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 03:36:00PM +0100, Kai Engert wrote:
> Question (2)
>
> Is the Fedora community willing to accept Mozilla's desire to show
> advertisements in Firefox?
Sub-question (2b):
Why do we care about using the Firefox trademark? We should just
rename the package. Debian do that
On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 15:28 +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
> Le Mer 12 février 2014 17:20, Nikos Roussos a écrit :
>
> > The "New Tab" feature will provide quick access to popular sites in the
> > users location, without any collection of personal data (except of
> > course from checking the locati
On 02/13/2014 12:33 PM, Martin Stransky wrote:
From the original post at [1]:
"Directory Tiles will instead suggest pre-packaged content for
first-time users. Some of these tile placements will be from the
Mozilla ecosystem, some will be popular websites in a given geographic
location, and so
Le Mer 12 février 2014 17:20, Nikos Roussos a écrit :
> The "New Tab" feature will provide quick access to popular sites in the
> users location, without any collection of personal data (except of
> course from checking the location of his IP). At lease this is the
> current design by Mozilla.
A
From the original post at [1]:
"Directory Tiles will instead suggest pre-packaged content for
first-time users. Some of these tile placements will be from the
Mozilla ecosystem, some will be popular websites in a given geographic
location, and some will be sponsored content from hand-picked
Petr Pisar writes:
> On 2014-02-12, Michael Scherer wrote:
>> Le mercredi 12 février 2014 à 07:11 -0500, Matthew Miller a écrit :
>>> On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 12:08:20PM +, Petr Pisar wrote:
>>> > > Are there any existing packages that already do that?
>>> > vim advertises ICCF to make a dona
On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 10:31:04 -0500
Matthias Clasen wrote:
> I can't imagine having very obnoxious and prominents advertisements in
> the flagship applications that we install by default. But an
> application that is otherwise useful to our users should probably not
> be banned from the package un
On 12 February 2014 14:44, Josh Boyer wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 9:39 AM, Matthew Miller
> wrote:
>> On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 03:36:00PM +0100, Kai Engert wrote:
>>> Question (1)
>>> Are we allowed to ship software in Fedora that dynamically loads
>>> advertisements from the web and shows th
On 02/12/2014 08:30 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
This is slightly different too. The safe browsing list itself is not a ping
-- it's only pulled down and checked locally. There's only a "ping" when
there is a match, and that ping uses a hashed partial copy. Google also
claims in a FAQ that log data
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 02:17:28PM -0500, Simo Sorce wrote:
> Well ok if we go down this road, then you should also ask to disable the
> not very well know call home to check for malware feature. That feature
> means every Mozilla browser *always* pings Google to check for
> blacklisted sites and I
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 14:17:28 -0500,
Simo Sorce wrote:
Well ok if we go down this road, then you should also ask to disable the
not very well know call home to check for malware feature. That feature
means every Mozilla browser *always* pings Google to check for
blacklisted sites and I am
On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 10:32 -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 18:25:48 +0200,
>Nikos Roussos wrote:
> >On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 16:58 +0100, H. Guémar wrote:
> >> My *personal* opinion is that we should disable this kind of feature
> >> by default.
> >
> >On a side note, why
On 02/12/2014 04:58 PM, H. Guémar wrote:
My *personal* opinion is that we should disable this kind of feature by
default.
My personal opinion is to ban and remove such features and not only to
disable it by fault. firefox's defaults also should be altered to point
to an "empty home page" shou
On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 10:32 -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 18:25:48 +0200,
>Nikos Roussos wrote:
> >On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 16:58 +0100, H. Guémar wrote:
> >> My *personal* opinion is that we should disable this kind of feature
> >> by default.
> >
> >On a side note, why
On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 16:58:34 +0100
H. Guémar wrote:
> My *personal* opinion is that we should disable this kind of feature
> by default.
+1
> Actually, unless it tracks users, i don't think that our guidelines
> forbids it, though it may influence our choice for the packages set
> installed by
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 18:25:48 +0200,
Nikos Roussos wrote:
On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 16:58 +0100, H. Guémar wrote:
My *personal* opinion is that we should disable this kind of feature
by default.
On a side note, why not disable also Google as the default searchbox
engine and replace it with a
On 02/12/2014 11:55 AM, Nikos Roussos wrote:
On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 16:58 +0100, H. Guémar wrote:
My *personal* opinion is that we should disable this kind of feature
by default.
On a side note, why not disable also Google as the default searchbox
engine and replace it with a non-profit one?
On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 16:58 +0100, H. Guémar wrote:
> My *personal* opinion is that we should disable this kind of feature
> by default.
On a side note, why not disable also Google as the default searchbox
engine and replace it with a non-profit one?
(I'm not stating my opinion here, just trying
On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 16:47 +0100, Petr Viktorin wrote:
> On 02/12/2014 04:31 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Are we allowed to ship software in Fedora that dynamically loads
> >>> advertisements from the web and shows them to users?
> >>
> >> I think "allowed" is probably the wrong term to
On 02/12/2014 11:28 AM, H. Guémar wrote:
My *personal* opinion is that we should disable this kind of feature by
default.
+1
Actually, unless it tracks users, i don't think that our guidelines
forbids it, though it may influence our choice for the packages set
installed by default.
I accept
My *personal* opinion is that we should disable this kind of feature by
default.
Actually, unless it tracks users, i don't think that our guidelines forbids
it, though it may influence our choice for the packages set installed by
default.
Has anyone tried to contact Mozilla Corporation about it so
On 02/12/2014 03:36 PM, Kai Engert wrote:
Are we allowed to ship software in Fedora that dynamically loads
advertisements from the web and shows them to users?
I see no reason why to forbid it (from my POV).
It is always decision of upstream. And either that program is good enough that users w
On 02/12/2014 04:31 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote:
Are we allowed to ship software in Fedora that dynamically loads
advertisements from the web and shows them to users?
I think "allowed" is probably the wrong term to use here. Fedora
packaging rules on what is allowed to be included have pretty mu
> >
> > Are we allowed to ship software in Fedora that dynamically loads
> > advertisements from the web and shows them to users?
>
> I think "allowed" is probably the wrong term to use here. Fedora
> packaging rules on what is allowed to be included have pretty much
> focused on legality of pa
On 2014-02-12, Michael Scherer wrote:
> Le mercredi 12 février 2014 à 07:11 -0500, Matthew Miller a écrit :
>> On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 12:08:20PM +, Petr Pisar wrote:
>> > > Are there any existing packages that already do that?
>> > vim advertises ICCF to make a donation for children in Uganda
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 03:36:00PM +0100, Kai Engert wrote:
> On Mi, 2014-02-12 at 10:46 +0100, Kai Engert wrote:
> > Do the Fedora guidelines allow packaging of software that will show
> > advertisement to the user?
> >
> > Are there any existing packages that already do that?
>
> There are mul
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 9:39 AM, Matthew Miller
wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 03:36:00PM +0100, Kai Engert wrote:
>> Question (1)
>> Are we allowed to ship software in Fedora that dynamically loads
>> advertisements from the web and shows them to users?
>
> I think this might need to be broken
On Mi, 2014-02-12 at 09:39 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 03:36:00PM +0100, Kai Engert wrote:
> > Question (1)
> > Are we allowed to ship software in Fedora that dynamically loads
> > advertisements from the web and shows them to users?
>
> I think this might need to be b
On Mi, 2014-02-12 at 10:46 +0100, Kai Engert wrote:
> Do the Fedora guidelines allow packaging of software that will show
> advertisement to the user?
>
> Are there any existing packages that already do that?
There are multiple open questions that need answers. I wanted to get the
first question
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 03:36:00PM +0100, Kai Engert wrote:
> Question (1)
> Are we allowed to ship software in Fedora that dynamically loads
> advertisements from the web and shows them to users?
I think this might need to be broken down or clarified. Otherwise, any web
browser is out.
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On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 10:46:13 +0100,
Kai Engert wrote:
Do the Fedora guidelines allow packaging of software that will show
advertisement to the user?
If the software is free software, we should be able to remove the ad code.
We might need to do some additional changes to avoid trademark
On 02/12/2014 01:23 PM, Michael Scherer wrote:
Le mercredi 12 février 2014 à 07:11 -0500, Matthew Miller a écrit :
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 12:08:20PM +, Petr Pisar wrote:
Are there any existing packages that already do that?
vim advertises ICCF to make a donation for children in Uganda.
Le mercredi 12 février 2014 à 07:11 -0500, Matthew Miller a écrit :
> On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 12:08:20PM +, Petr Pisar wrote:
> > > Are there any existing packages that already do that?
> > vim advertises ICCF to make a donation for children in Uganda.
>
> Even leaving aside the whole charity
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 12:08:20PM +, Petr Pisar wrote:
> > Are there any existing packages that already do that?
> vim advertises ICCF to make a donation for children in Uganda.
Even leaving aside the whole charity / good cause vs. selling consumer goods
aspect, I think a message about donati
On 2014-02-12, Kai Engert wrote:
> Do the Fedora guidelines allow packaging of software that will show
> advertisement to the user?
>
> Are there any existing packages that already do that?
>
vim advertises ICCF to make a donation for children in Uganda.
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On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 10:52:27AM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote:
> >Do the Fedora guidelines allow packaging of software that will show
> >advertisement to the user?
> I think it's difficult define what precisely is an advertisement,
> but I hope Fedora will be able to avoid this trap, particularly
On 02/12/2014 10:46 AM, Kai Engert wrote:
Do the Fedora guidelines allow packaging of software that will show
advertisement to the user?
I think it's difficult define what precisely is an advertisement, but I
hope Fedora will be able to avoid this trap, particularly because
advertising is so
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