On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 10:26:24AM +0300, Panu Matilainen wrote:
> Yeah... Log analyzers are one thing, but I dont know what eg hplip
> and lvm2 are doing with the info scraped out of /var/log/messages,
> it seems somewhat suspect at least.
They're just gathering it into a diagnostic report -- not
On 07/18/2013 11:35 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
Panu Matilainen (pmati...@laiskiainen.org) said:
So... /var/log/messages is not guaranteed to be there even now,
because it depends on rsyslog configuration. So any packages which
cannot handle missing /var/log/messages are broken already in a
non-d
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 04:35:22PM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> Yes, it's just that if we're moving these packages from being broken in a
> non-default, administrator-configured configuration to being broken in the
> out-of-the-box configuration, it might be worthwhile to know that ahead of
> ti
Panu Matilainen (pmati...@laiskiainen.org) said:
> So... /var/log/messages is not guaranteed to be there even now,
> because it depends on rsyslog configuration. So any packages which
> cannot handle missing /var/log/messages are broken already in a
> non-default (but probably not all that uncommo
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 04:11:47PM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> > In an ideal view, it makes most sense to provide the rsyslog default
> > configuration in a subpackage which puts the /var/log/messages and
> > /var/log/secure conf files in /etc/rsyslog.d -- then, this subpackage would
> > provid
On 07/18/2013 06:11 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 02:19:30PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
So, you suggest using "Requires: /var/log/messages" and "Provides:
/var/log/messages" as indication for this, and the %ghost
/var/log/messages in the packages in question?
Sounds goo
Matthew Miller (mat...@fedoraproject.org) said:
> My main concern with this is that it's a lie. That file only exists because
> of the default configuration. In many cases, rsyslog will be configured to
> either write different files, or most likely, to write no local files at all
> as all data is
On 07/18/2013 04:42 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
On Thu, 18.07.13 15:47, Panu Matilainen (pmati...@laiskiainen.org) wrote:
I would suggest it, but it is not recommended by guidelines :( so I
suggest some (not yet) standardized virtual provide, which will be
more descriptive than "syslog-files"
On Thu, 18.07.13 11:30, Orion Poplawski (or...@cora.nwra.com) wrote:
> On 07/18/2013 06:19 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> >On Thu, 18.07.13 10:34, Vít Ondruch (vondr...@redhat.com) wrote:
> >
> >>Dne 18.7.2013 01:02, Lennart Poettering napsal(a):
> >>>So, maybe, instead of dropping the "Provides
On 07/18/2013 06:19 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
On Thu, 18.07.13 10:34, Vít Ondruch (vondr...@redhat.com) wrote:
Dne 18.7.2013 01:02, Lennart Poettering napsal(a):
So, maybe, instead of dropping the "Provides syslog" thing from
journald, maybe we should add an explicit "syslog-files" depende
On Thu, 18.07.13 11:11, Matthew Miller (mat...@fedoraproject.org) wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 02:19:30PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> > So, you suggest using "Requires: /var/log/messages" and "Provides:
> > /var/log/messages" as indication for this, and the %ghost
> > /var/log/messages
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 02:19:30PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> So, you suggest using "Requires: /var/log/messages" and "Provides:
> /var/log/messages" as indication for this, and the %ghost
> /var/log/messages in the packages in question?
> Sounds good to me! Matthew?
My main concern with t
On Thu, 18.07.13 15:47, Panu Matilainen (pmati...@laiskiainen.org) wrote:
> >>I would suggest it, but it is not recommended by guidelines :( so I
> >>suggest some (not yet) standardized virtual provide, which will be
> >>more descriptive than "syslog-files"
> >>
> >>Vít
> >>
> >>[1] https://fedora
On 07/18/2013 03:28 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
On Thu, 18.07.13 14:23, Vít Ondruch (vondr...@redhat.com) wrote:
Dne 18.7.2013 14:19, Lennart Poettering napsal(a):
On Thu, 18.07.13 10:34, Vít Ondruch (vondr...@redhat.com) wrote:
Dne 18.7.2013 01:02, Lennart Poettering napsal(a):
So, maybe
On Thu, 18.07.13 14:23, Vít Ondruch (vondr...@redhat.com) wrote:
> Dne 18.7.2013 14:19, Lennart Poettering napsal(a):
> >On Thu, 18.07.13 10:34, Vít Ondruch (vondr...@redhat.com) wrote:
> >
> >>Dne 18.7.2013 01:02, Lennart Poettering napsal(a):
> >>>So, maybe, instead of dropping the "Provides sys
Dne 18.7.2013 14:19, Lennart Poettering napsal(a):
On Thu, 18.07.13 10:34, Vít Ondruch (vondr...@redhat.com) wrote:
Dne 18.7.2013 01:02, Lennart Poettering napsal(a):
So, maybe, instead of dropping the "Provides syslog" thing from
journald, maybe we should add an explicit "syslog-files" depend
On Thu, 18.07.13 10:34, Vít Ondruch (vondr...@redhat.com) wrote:
> Dne 18.7.2013 01:02, Lennart Poettering napsal(a):
> >So, maybe, instead of dropping the "Provides syslog" thing from
> >journald, maybe we should add an explicit "syslog-files" dependency (or
> >something named like that) and then
Dne 18.7.2013 11:13, Mathieu Bridon napsal(a):
On Thu, 2013-07-18 at 10:56 +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote:
Dne 18.7.2013 10:42, Mathieu Bridon napsal(a):
On Thu, 2013-07-18 at 10:34 +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote:
Dne 18.7.2013 01:02, Lennart Poettering napsal(a):
So, maybe, instead of dropping the "Prov
On Thu, 2013-07-18 at 10:56 +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote:
> Dne 18.7.2013 10:42, Mathieu Bridon napsal(a):
> > On Thu, 2013-07-18 at 10:34 +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote:
> >> Dne 18.7.2013 01:02, Lennart Poettering napsal(a):
> >>> So, maybe, instead of dropping the "Provides syslog" thing from
> >>> journa
Dne 18.7.2013 10:42, Mathieu Bridon napsal(a):
On Thu, 2013-07-18 at 10:34 +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote:
Dne 18.7.2013 01:02, Lennart Poettering napsal(a):
So, maybe, instead of dropping the "Provides syslog" thing from
journald, maybe we should add an explicit "syslog-files" dependency (or
somethi
On Thu, 2013-07-18 at 10:34 +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote:
> Dne 18.7.2013 01:02, Lennart Poettering napsal(a):
> > So, maybe, instead of dropping the "Provides syslog" thing from
> > journald, maybe we should add an explicit "syslog-files" dependency (or
> > something named like that) and then make the
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