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> On Tue, 2014-11-25 at 10:21 +0100, drago01 wrote:
> > On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 8:46 PM, Stephen Gallagher
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> > > Yeah, that's a valid concern and one I'm not ignoring. I'm just
> > > concerned that (going by F21 Alpha and Beta) the "hero
On Tue, 2014-11-25 at 10:21 +0100, drago01 wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 8:46 PM, Stephen Gallagher
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> > Yeah, that's a valid concern and one I'm not ignoring. I'm just
> > concerned that (going by F21 Alpha and Beta) the "hero testing" doesn't
> > result in avoiding a slip
On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 8:46 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
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> Yeah, that's a valid concern and one I'm not ignoring. I'm just
> concerned that (going by F21 Alpha and Beta) the "hero testing" doesn't
> result in avoiding a slip most of the time. In the case of Alpha, that
> was going on for a mo
On Sun, 2014-11-23 at 10:02 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> > These new rules don't ban "preventing a slip", they attempt to eliminate
> > the unreasonable demands we're putting on our volunteer QA team *every
> > week during Freeze*. It's gotten out of hand and it's burn
Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> These new rules don't ban "preventing a slip", they attempt to eliminate
> the unreasonable demands we're putting on our volunteer QA team *every
> week during Freeze*. It's gotten out of hand and it's burning people
> out.
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> The primary problem is that when we slip, t
On Sun, 2014-11-09 at 23:45 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Matthew Miller wrote:
> > Kevin, I'm missing something here. You're right that the QA hero runs
> > are done to prevent slips, but I'm not seeing the logical connection
> > between what Stephen suggests and _banning_ them. The idea is to m
Matthew Miller wrote:
> Kevin, I'm missing something here. You're right that the QA hero runs
> are done to prevent slips, but I'm not seeing the logical connection
> between what Stephen suggests and _banning_ them. The idea is to make
> them less likely to be necessary with the cooparation of pac
On Tue, Nov 04, 2014 at 03:26:50AM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> > I talked to several people over the last couple days about what we can
> > do to try to avoid the "hero testing" treadmill that we've been on
> > during every Freeze in recent memory (specifically that we're usually
> > fixing Blocke
On Fri, 2014-10-31 at 11:17 -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> I talked to several people over the last couple days about what we can
> do to try to avoid the "hero testing" treadmill that we've been on
> during every Freeze in recent memory (specifically that we're usually
> fixing Blocker bugs unt
Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> I talked to several people over the last couple days about what we can
> do to try to avoid the "hero testing" treadmill that we've been on
> during every Freeze in recent memory (specifically that we're usually
> fixing Blocker bugs until the day before the Go/No-Go meet
This policy change seems like a really good idea. Thanks for working on
it, Stephen.
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On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 14:44:06 -0400,
Stephen Gallagher wrote:
Well, we learned during those questions that it's a matter of
coordination with the mirrors. They expect to have our master trees
prepared at certain times or they can't be mirrored out in time for the
Tuesday launches. So really
On Fri, 2014-10-31 at 10:34 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 11:17:39 -0400,
> Stephen Gallagher wrote:
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> >The idea here is to ensure that there is a clear engineering deadline in
> >order to guarantee that the QA team has a reasonable time period in
> >which to per
On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 11:17:39 -0400,
Stephen Gallagher wrote:
The idea here is to ensure that there is a clear engineering deadline in
order to guarantee that the QA team has a reasonable time period in
which to perform validation tests. I think this approach is too risky
this late in the F
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