Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2012-10-10)

2012-10-10 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 08:21:02PM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > I think turning off sshd by default but having a preset to turn it on > > makes a lot of sense -- most places which will want it on will be > > using kickstart, or else will otherwise have little problem enabling > > it after the fact

Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2012-10-10)

2012-10-10 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 19:40:55 -0400 Matthew Miller wrote: > I think turning off sshd by default but having a preset to turn it on > makes a lot of sense -- most places which will want it on will be > using kickstart, or else will otherwise have little problem enabling > it after the fact. I think

Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2012-10-10)

2012-10-10 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2012-10-10 at 22:12 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 07:06:27PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > It seems like having the preset policy RPMs to make the decision > > > deterministic is a good idea. > > Well if you're using a kickstart anyway, you can just stick a sy

Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2012-10-10)

2012-10-10 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 17:55:01 -0700 Adam Williamson wrote: > This reminds me, we need to take the trigger files out of the *dm > packages now, right? trigger files? Or you mean presets? Yeah. kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2012-10-10)

2012-10-10 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 07:06:27PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > It seems like having the preset policy RPMs to make the decision > > deterministic is a good idea. > Well if you're using a kickstart anyway, you can just stick a systemctl > enable command in %post, can't you? Yes but it's a lit

Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2012-10-10)

2012-10-10 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2012-10-10 at 21:22 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 06:07:55PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > > > Doesn't that come down to "it's random" in the combined case? > > > > Well, not exactly. It's in actual install order. So if you > > > But what if it's done by anaco

Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2012-10-10)

2012-10-10 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 06:07:55PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > > Doesn't that come down to "it's random" in the combined case? > > > Well, not exactly. It's in actual install order. So if you > > But what if it's done by anaconda? > You can do a multiple desktop install with a kickstart fil

Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2012-10-10)

2012-10-10 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2012-10-10 at 19:40 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 04:39:13PM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > > Doesn't that come down to "it's random" in the combined case? > > Well, not exactly. It's in actual install order. So if you > > > > yum install gdm > > and then > > yum i

Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2012-10-10)

2012-10-10 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2012-10-10 at 12:43 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 12:08:31 +0200 > Marcela Mašláňová wrote: > > > On 10/10/2012 03:25 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: > > > On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 06:01:22PM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > >> If you would like to add something to this agenda, yo

Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2012-10-10)

2012-10-10 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 04:39:13PM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > Doesn't that come down to "it's random" in the combined case? > Well, not exactly. It's in actual install order. So if you > > yum install gdm > and then > yum install lightdm But what if it's done by anaconda? > > However, if thi

Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2012-10-10)

2012-10-10 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 15:36:29 -0400 Bill Nottingham wrote: > I suppose 'it depends'. A server might have different presets than a > desktop - it may want apache on by default, or a DB server config that > enables mysql/postgres. Sure, but "server" is like "computer"... very general purpose. ;)

Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2012-10-10)

2012-10-10 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 14:50:05 -0400 Matthew Miller wrote: > On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 12:43:10PM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > So, I was going to draft up a policy for this, but then I recalled > > that we already fixed the display-manager case (whichever one is > > installed last is run). > > Doe

Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2012-10-10)

2012-10-10 Thread Bill Nottingham
Kevin Fenzi (ke...@scrye.com) said: > So, I was going to draft up a policy for this, but then I recalled that > we already fixed the display-manager case (whichever one is installed > last is run). > > For regular spins then, I am not sure what things they would want to > change in presets. Any

Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2012-10-10)

2012-10-10 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 12:43:10PM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > So, I was going to draft up a policy for this, but then I recalled that > we already fixed the display-manager case (whichever one is installed > last is run). Doesn't that come down to "it's random" in the combined case? > In which

Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2012-10-10)

2012-10-10 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 12:08:31 +0200 Marcela Mašláňová wrote: > On 10/10/2012 03:25 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 06:01:22PM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > >> If you would like to add something to this agenda, you can reply to > >> this e-mail, file a new ticket at https://fedo

Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2012-10-10)

2012-10-10 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
On 10/10/2012 03:25 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 06:01:22PM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: If you would like to add something to this agenda, you can reply to this e-mail, file a new ticket at https://fedorahosted.org/fesco, e-mail me directly, or bring it up at the end of the me

Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2012-10-10)

2012-10-09 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 06:01:22PM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > If you would like to add something to this agenda, you can reply to > this e-mail, file a new ticket at https://fedorahosted.org/fesco, > e-mail me directly, or bring it up at the end of the meeting, during > the open floor topic. Note