On Saturday, May 9, 2020 11:58:43 PM MST Miro Hrončok wrote:
> On 10. 05. 20 0:09, John M. Harris Jr wrote:
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> > On Saturday, May 9, 2020 2:40:02 PM MST Miro Hrončok wrote:
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> >> On 09. 05. 20 22:56, John M. Harris Jr wrote:
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> >>> On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 3:38:36 PM MST Mir
On 10. 05. 20 0:09, John M. Harris Jr wrote:
On Saturday, May 9, 2020 2:40:02 PM MST Miro Hrončok wrote:
On 09. 05. 20 22:56, John M. Harris Jr wrote:
On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 3:38:36 PM MST Miro Hrončok wrote:
The command that the user executes is "python3.9", not "python39".
Let's b
On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 6:09 PM John M. Harris Jr wrote:
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> On Saturday, May 9, 2020 2:40:02 PM MST Miro Hrončok wrote:
> > On 09. 05. 20 22:56, John M. Harris Jr wrote:
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> > > On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 3:38:36 PM MST Miro Hrončok wrote:
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> > >> The command that the user executes is "py
On Saturday, May 9, 2020 2:40:02 PM MST Miro Hrončok wrote:
> On 09. 05. 20 22:56, John M. Harris Jr wrote:
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> > On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 3:38:36 PM MST Miro Hrončok wrote:
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> >> The command that the user executes is "python3.9", not "python39".
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> > Let's be realistic. The comma
On 09. 05. 20 22:56, John M. Harris Jr wrote:
On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 3:38:36 PM MST Miro Hrončok wrote:
The command that the user executes is "python3.9", not "python39".
Let's be realistic. The command they run is 'python', 'python2' or 'python3'.
Sure, it's a symlink, but that's what u
On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 4:57 PM John M. Harris Jr wrote:
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> On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 3:38:36 PM MST Miro Hrončok wrote:
> > The command that the user executes is "python3.9", not "python39".
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> Let's be realistic. The command they run is 'python', 'python2' or 'python3'.
> Sure, it's a symlin
On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 3:38:36 PM MST Miro Hrončok wrote:
> The command that the user executes is "python3.9", not "python39".
Let's be realistic. The command they run is 'python', 'python2' or 'python3'.
Sure, it's a symlink, but that's what users actually type to be executed.
--
John M.
On 29. 04. 20 16:27, Tomas Orsava wrote:
Hello everyone.
I’m working on a change to rename pythonXY packages to pythonX.Y, e.g. python39
to python3.9.
*Motivation:*
When you install an additional Python interpreter, the command that runs it
contains a dot (e.g. /usr/bin/python3.9) but the pac
Le jeudi 30 avril 2020 à 10:03 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot a écrit :
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> Old human languages did not use word separators like space in
> writing, because "everyone knew" where one word started and the next
> finished. Even scholars that spent their life studying one of those
> past civilizations find t
Le jeudi 30 avril 2020 à 10:03 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot a écrit :
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> Clever “it’s obvious in the few cases we imagine today, we do not
> need a clean version separator” syntaxes fail hard once exposed to
> the real world.
Also, to get back to the original subject, the whole python package
renaming
Le jeudi 30 avril 2020 à 00:38 +0200, Miro Hrončok a écrit :
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> My sentence was about "python3.9" not being more annoying than
> "python-3.9".
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> I wonder, why do you consider periods in names confusing?
…
> jboss-jsf-2.1-api
Another example where the hyphen helps reading. The version is mid
On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 07:57:13PM +0200, Miro Hrončok wrote:
> On 29. 04. 20 19:50, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
> >>I don't agree that "python3.9" as a package name annoys humans or
> >>break automation scripts. How does it?
> >As soon as you have a different naming convention for numeric and non
> >n
On 30. 04. 20 8:50, Miro Hrončok wrote:
On 30. 04. 20 1:21, Adam Williamson wrote:
I have this in my PATH (called pkgname):
#!/usr/bin/python3
import fileinput
for line in fileinput.input():
print('-'.join(line.split('-')[:-2]))
how about:
print(line.rsplit("-", 2)[0])
That's i
On 30. 04. 20 1:21, Adam Williamson wrote:
I have this in my PATH (called pkgname):
#!/usr/bin/python3
import fileinput
for line in fileinput.input():
print('-'.join(line.split('-')[:-2]))
how about:
print(line.rsplit("-", 2)[0])
That's indeed probably nicer.
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Miro Hrončok
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On Thu, 2020-04-30 at 01:10 +0200, Miro Hrončok wrote:
> On 30. 04. 20 1:07, Neal Gompa wrote:
> > > my usual mistake is where I do a stupid programming and do something like
> > >
> > > ls -1 | awk '{split($0,a,"."); print a[1]}' | whatever I needed for just
> > > the names of rpms
> > >
> > >
On 30. 04. 20 1:07, Neal Gompa wrote:
my usual mistake is where I do a stupid programming and do something like
ls -1 | awk '{split($0,a,"."); print a[1]}' | whatever I needed for just the
names of rpms
which for most packages will give me the Name-Ver[.sion removed]. it is lazy
script progra
On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 7:04 PM Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
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> On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 at 18:44, Miro Hrončok wrote:
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>> On 29. 04. 20 21:42, Lloyd Kvam wrote:
>> >> What you say is true. I still don't agree that "python3.9" as a package
>> >> name
>> >> annoys humans.
>> > I am not a package
On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 at 18:44, Miro Hrončok wrote:
> On 29. 04. 20 21:42, Lloyd Kvam wrote:
> >> What you say is true. I still don't agree that "python3.9" as a package
> name
> >> annoys humans.
> > I am not a package pro, but simply reading along as an interested human
> user. To me, adding
> >
On 29. 04. 20 21:42, Lloyd Kvam wrote:
What you say is true. I still don't agree that "python3.9" as a package name
annoys humans.
I am not a package pro, but simply reading along as an interested human user.
To me, adding
periods in package names can be confusing.
My sentence was about "pyth
Le mercredi 29 avril 2020 à 19:57 +0200, Miro Hrončok a écrit :
> And I don't understand what kind of automation are we
> talking about that needs to parse the "3.9" part and figure out it is
> a "qualifier".
It mostly hits you in the package creation code. The Go macro code will
just dump -qualif
Le mercredi 29 avril 2020 à 19:43 +0200, Miro Hrončok a écrit :
> On 29. 04. 20 19:37, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
> > Le mercredi 29 avril 2020 à 19:18 +0200, Miro Hrončok a écrit :
> >
> > > All [compat packages] MUST include the base name suffixed by
> > > either:
> > Well we are not creating a comp
Le mercredi 29 avril 2020 à 19:57 +0200, Miro Hrončok a écrit :
> Such automation is broken anyway, because it cannot tell if python-
> requests is a
> Python library or a Python "qualifier".
It is no more broken than automation that "knows" test means
is a version. Of course before you apply
On 29. 04. 20 19:50, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
I don't agree that "python3.9" as a package name annoys humans or
break automation scripts. How does it?
As soon as you have a different naming convention for numeric and non
numeric qualifiers all the code that manipulates your package names
must tes
On 29. 04. 20 19:37, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
Le mercredi 29 avril 2020 à 19:18 +0200, Miro Hrončok a écrit :
All [compat packages] MUST include the base name suffixed by either:
Well we are not creating a compat package here and not adding an hyphen
creates an artificial numeric/non numeric spe
Le mercredi 29 avril 2020 à 19:18 +0200, Miro Hrončok a écrit :
> All [compat packages] MUST include the base name suffixed by either:
Well we are not creating a compat package here and not adding an hyphen
creates an artificial numeric/non numeric special case.
But, I see someone formalised the
On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 4:28 PM Tomas Orsava wrote:
> Hello everyone.
> I’m working on a change to rename pythonXY packages to pythonX.Y, e.g.
> python39 to python3.9.
>
Changing it to pythonX.Y makes sense I think. It's likely going to be a lot
of work for little gain, but I appreciate that you
On 29. 04. 20 18:51, Neal Gompa wrote:
What do you think? Do you foresee any problems?
I'm good with this plan, except for one thing I thought of we need to
address: How do we do comparisons for python versions?
In spec %ifs? I've been doing it with %python3_version_nodots. That'll work
until
On 29. 04. 20 18:41, Nicolas Mailhot via devel wrote:
Le mercredi 29 avril 2020 à 16:27 +0200, Tomas Orsava a écrit :
Hi,
I’m working on a change to rename pythonXY packages to pythonX.Y,
e.g. python39 to python3.9.
Motivation:
When you install an additional Python interpreter, the command tha
On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 10:28 AM Tomas Orsava wrote:
>
> Hello everyone.
> I’m working on a change to rename pythonXY packages to pythonX.Y, e.g.
> python39 to python3.9.
>
> Motivation:
> When you install an additional Python interpreter, the command that runs it
> contains a dot (e.g. /usr/bin
Le mercredi 29 avril 2020 à 16:27 +0200, Tomas Orsava a écrit :
Hi,
> I’m working on a change to rename pythonXY packages to pythonX.Y,
> e.g. python39 to python3.9.
>
> Motivation:
> When you install an additional Python interpreter, the command that
> runs it contains a dot (e.g. /usr/bin/pytho
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