Re: Minimization Objective report

2019-11-25 Thread Adam Samalik
On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 8:22 PM Adam Jackson wrote: > On Fri, 2019-11-15 at 23:38 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > Adam Samalik wrote: > > > 1/ A history chart for base images [2] is now being generated — > includes > > > data since 25 September. It's a bit rough initial implementation, but > it's

Re: Minimization Objective report

2019-11-20 Thread Kevin Kofler
Miro Hrončok wrote: > That was put there by me. I understood from the mailing list discussions > that you suggested the same thing as Jan, not just repeated what he said. Indeed, I had not read Jan's mail when I sent mine. Kevin Kofler ___ devel

Re: Minimization Objective report

2019-11-20 Thread Charalampos Stratakis
- Original Message - > From: "Kevin Kofler" > To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 1:08:34 AM > Subject: Re: Minimization Objective report > > Charalampos Stratakis wrote: > > We heard the feedback and did a lot o

Re: Minimization Objective report

2019-11-20 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 21. 11. 19 1:08, Kevin Kofler wrote: Charalampos Stratakis wrote: We heard the feedback and did a lot of experimentation and benchmarking with a ton of different options so I really can't fathom how you are taking credit for something that others invested so much time in. The new Feature pa

Re: Minimization Objective report

2019-11-20 Thread Kevin Kofler
Charalampos Stratakis wrote: > We heard the feedback and did a lot of experimentation and benchmarking > with a ton of different options so I really can't fathom how you are > taking credit for something that others invested so much time in. The new Feature page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ch

Re: Minimization Objective report

2019-11-20 Thread Charalampos Stratakis
- Original Message - > From: "Kevin Kofler" > To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 7:10:32 PM > Subject: Re: Minimization Objective report > > Adam Jackson wrote: > > You're right, you spend two months achieving

Re: Minimization Objective report

2019-11-20 Thread Kevin Kofler
Adam Jackson wrote: > You're right, you spend two months achieving zero towards this goal, Well, just a few days ago, I managed to stop a Change that would have almost doubled Python 3's size wherever both the python3 executable and the libpython3 library are needed, and to point out an alternat

Re: Minimization Objective report

2019-11-20 Thread Aleksandra Fedorova
On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 6:05 PM David Malcolm wrote: > On Wed, 2019-11-20 at 11:22 -0500, Adam Jackson wrote: > > On Wed, 2019-11-20 at 02:53 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > > Adam Jackson wrote: > > > > That's about 44M worth of potential savings out of a 204M base > > > > image, a > > > > bit ov

Re: Minimization Objective report

2019-11-20 Thread David Malcolm
On Wed, 2019-11-20 at 11:22 -0500, Adam Jackson wrote: > On Wed, 2019-11-20 at 02:53 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > Adam Jackson wrote: > > > That's about 44M worth of potential savings out of a 204M base > > > image, a > > > bit over 20%. I'll happily file proper bug reports for these > > > somewh

Re: Minimization Objective report

2019-11-20 Thread Adam Jackson
On Wed, 2019-11-20 at 02:53 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Adam Jackson wrote: > > That's about 44M worth of potential savings out of a 204M base image, a > > bit over 20%. I'll happily file proper bug reports for these somewhere > > if we want, but it took me like 30 minutes to look into this. If yo

Re: Minimization Objective report

2019-11-20 Thread Adam Samalik
On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 11:42 PM Kevin Kofler wrote: > Adam Samalik wrote: > > 1/ A history chart for base images [2] is now being generated — includes > > data since 25 September. It's a bit rough initial implementation, but > it's > > there! > > Almost 2 months of work to save… 0.5%! That does

Re: Minimization Objective report

2019-11-20 Thread Adam Samalik
On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 7:16 PM Robbie Harwood wrote: > Adam Samalik writes: > > > This is the Minimization Objective [0] update. > > > > Status: Discovery phase > > > > == Next phase approval == > > > > Next phase proposal [1] is being voted on by the Council — only positive > > votes so far! >

Re: Minimization Objective report

2019-11-19 Thread Kevin Kofler
Adam Jackson wrote: > That's about 44M worth of potential savings out of a 204M base image, a > bit over 20%. I'll happily file proper bug reports for these somewhere > if we want, but it took me like 30 minutes to look into this. If you're > not even willing to put in _that_ little effort, then fo

Re: Minimization Objective report

2019-11-19 Thread Adam Jackson
On Fri, 2019-11-15 at 23:38 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Adam Samalik wrote: > > 1/ A history chart for base images [2] is now being generated — includes > > data since 25 September. It's a bit rough initial implementation, but it's > > there! > > Almost 2 months of work to save… 0.5%! That does n

Re: Minimization Objective report

2019-11-15 Thread Kevin Kofler
Adam Samalik wrote: > 1/ A history chart for base images [2] is now being generated — includes > data since 25 September. It's a bit rough initial implementation, but it's > there! Almost 2 months of work to save… 0.5%! That does not look like a huge success to me. You simply cannot win against t

Re: Minimization Objective report

2019-11-15 Thread Robbie Harwood
Adam Samalik writes: > This is the Minimization Objective [0] update. > > Status: Discovery phase > > == Next phase approval == > > Next phase proposal [1] is being voted on by the Council — only positive > votes so far! > > == Feedback Pipeline == > > A few new features developed! > > 1/ A histo

Re: Minimization Objective report

2019-10-30 Thread Adam Samalik
On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 10:50 AM Miro Hrončok wrote: > On 16. 10. 19 20:14, Adam Samalik wrote:> == PostgreSQL == > > > > Started talking to the maintainers about removing systemd, python2, and > to > > consider skipping weak dependencies in the container use case. > > Thanks! Please keep mes loo

Re: Minimization Objective report

2019-10-17 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 16. 10. 19 20:14, Adam Samalik wrote:> == PostgreSQL == Started talking to the maintainers about removing systemd, python2, and to consider skipping weak dependencies in the container use case. Thanks! Please keep mes looped in for the python2 thing. -- Miro Hrončok -- Phone: +42077797480

Re: Minimization Objective report

2019-10-01 Thread Peter Pentchev
On Mon, Sep 30, 2019 at 02:58:54PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Mon, Sep 30, 2019 at 01:16:52PM -, Petr Pisar wrote: > > > Is this a perfectly drop-in compatible replacement from a user point of > > > view? > > The user that executes "grep -P"? Not many changes. Usually a corner > > cases

Re: Minimization Objective report

2019-10-01 Thread Petr Pisar
On 2019-09-30, James Cassell wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 30, 2019, at 9:16 AM, Petr Pisar wrote: >> On 2019-09-27, Matthew Miller wrote: >> > On Wed, Sep 25, 2019 at 05:52:31PM +0200, Adam Samalik wrote: >> >> == pcre -> pcre2 == >> >> Moving grep (one of the last packages using pcre) to pcre2. [4] >>

Re: Minimization Objective report

2019-09-30 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Sep 30, 2019 at 01:16:52PM -, Petr Pisar wrote: > > Is this a perfectly drop-in compatible replacement from a user point of > > view? > The user that executes "grep -P"? Not many changes. Usually a corner > cases that have a different performance or exhibit bug fixes. Yeah, that's the

Re: Minimization Objective report

2019-09-30 Thread James Cassell
On Mon, Sep 30, 2019, at 9:16 AM, Petr Pisar wrote: > On 2019-09-27, Matthew Miller wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 25, 2019 at 05:52:31PM +0200, Adam Samalik wrote: > >> == pcre -> pcre2 == > >> Moving grep (one of the last packages using pcre) to pcre2. [4] > > > > Is this a perfectly drop-in compatible

Re: Minimization Objective report

2019-09-30 Thread Petr Pisar
On 2019-09-27, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Wed, Sep 25, 2019 at 05:52:31PM +0200, Adam Samalik wrote: >> == pcre -> pcre2 == >> Moving grep (one of the last packages using pcre) to pcre2. [4] > > Is this a perfectly drop-in compatible replacement from a user point of > view? > The user that execute

Re: Minimization Objective report

2019-09-28 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 08:47:03AM +0200, Igor Gnatenko wrote: > > == pcre -> pcre2 == > > > > Moving grep (one of the last packages using pcre) to pcre2. [4] > > I'm curious if we should simply replace grep by ripgrep :) Crossed my mind too. But grep is 800k, ripgrep 4500k. In case of grep we us

Re: Minimization Objective report

2019-09-27 Thread Igor Gnatenko
On Wed, Sep 25, 2019 at 6:01 PM Adam Samalik wrote: > > This is the Minimization Objective [0] update. > > Status: Discovery phase > > == Regular meeting canceled == > > We have decided to cancel the regular Minimization Team Meeting [1] as we > prefer async discussions on #fedora-devel and de...

Re: Minimization Objective report

2019-09-27 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Sep 25, 2019 at 05:52:31PM +0200, Adam Samalik wrote: > == pcre -> pcre2 == > Moving grep (one of the last packages using pcre) to pcre2. [4] Is this a perfectly drop-in compatible replacement from a user point of view? -- Matthew Miller Fedora Project Leader __

Re: Minimization Objective report

2019-08-28 Thread Brian (bex) Exelbierd
This was an awesome objective update and one I hope we will see more of from other Objectives! regards, bex On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 10:33 AM Adam Samalik wrote: > This is the Minimization Objective [0] update. > > Status: Discovery phase > > == Toolbox == > > The 'showme' tool got renamed to '