Re: Font rendering in F13

2010-07-19 Thread Trever L. Adams
On 07/19/2010 11:26 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > It already is, in Rawhide. Upgrade an F13 machine to Rawhide and you'll > see noticeably different font rendering. > > (Though it's really not as simple as that story makes it seem, which is > why we didn't do it for F13. Bytecode interpreting on

Re: Font rendering in F13

2010-07-19 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 10:26:53AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > It already is, in Rawhide. Upgrade an F13 machine to Rawhide and you'll > see noticeably different font rendering. See: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547532 > (Though it's really not as simple as that story makes it

Re: Font rendering in F13

2010-07-19 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2010-07-19 at 19:15 +0200, Ilyes Gouta wrote: > Hi, > > http://apple.slashdot.org/story/10/07/19/1524250/FreeType-Project-Cheers-TrueType-Patent-Expiration > > Are we going to have it enabled for Fedora 14? It already is, in Rawhide. Upgrade an F13 machine to Rawhide and you'll see notic

Re: Font rendering in F13

2010-07-19 Thread Ilyes Gouta
Hi, http://apple.slashdot.org/story/10/07/19/1524250/FreeType-Project-Cheers-TrueType-Patent-Expiration Are we going to have it enabled for Fedora 14? -Ilyes Gouta On Wednesday, May 26, 2010, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 07:30:56PM +0200, Martin Sourada wrote: >> Depends on

Re: Font rendering in F13

2010-05-26 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 07:30:56PM +0200, Martin Sourada wrote: > Depends on the criteria you use. The "with bytecode" version has better > kerning, better shapes, better flow, but is blurry (yeah, without Not just blurry, though -- awkwardly blurry. At screen resolution, in fact, I think it's pus

Re: Font rendering in F13

2010-05-26 Thread Ilyes Gouta
+1 On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 6:30 PM, Martin Sourada wrote: > On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 10:29 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: >> On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 09:51:53PM +0200, drago01 wrote: >> > The patents for the former expired but apparently some fonts look >> > worse with it so we decided to disable it. >

Re: Font rendering in F13

2010-05-26 Thread Martin Sourada
On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 10:29 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 09:51:53PM +0200, drago01 wrote: > > The patents for the former expired but apparently some fonts look > > worse with it so we decided to disable it. > > (I have been running with it enabled for years and for me stu

Re: Font rendering in F13

2010-05-26 Thread Matthew Miller
On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 09:51:53PM +0200, drago01 wrote: > The patents for the former expired but apparently some fonts look > worse with it so we decided to disable it. > (I have been running with it enabled for years and for me stuff does > look _way_ better with the bci ... but well this is a su

Re: Font rendering in F13

2010-05-25 Thread Matěj Cepl
Dne 25.5.2010 18:17, Adam Williamson napsal(a): > Free world fonts - Deja Vu and so on - > were designed with the autohinter in mind, and tend to look better that > way. Not all of them ... I was chatting with the author of Iconoclasta and he admitted he developed the font on Windows and with BCI

Re: Font rendering in F13

2010-05-25 Thread Ilyes Gouta
Hi, > That's always been how it's looked to me as well, FWIW. Given that we > default to using free world fonts and can't ship Microsoft's fonts it > would seem sensible to default to the autohinter rather than the BCI, in > my opinion. I definitely prefer the autohinter's interpretation of the >

Re: Font rendering in F13

2010-05-25 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sun, 2010-05-23 at 21:51 +0200, drago01 wrote: > On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 9:11 PM, Gianluca Sforna wrote: > > On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Roberto Ragusa > > wrote: > >> > >> I'm well aware that many people have different tastes about font > >> readability and that I'm probably out of the

Re: Font rendering in F13

2010-05-23 Thread drago01
On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 9:11 PM, Gianluca Sforna wrote: > On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Roberto Ragusa wrote: >> >> I'm well aware that many people have different tastes about font >> readability and that I'm probably out of the majority (who >> wants "like on Windows" rendering). This awarene

Re: Font rendering in F13

2010-05-23 Thread Gianluca Sforna
On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Roberto Ragusa wrote: > > I'm well aware that many people have different tastes about font > readability and that I'm probably out of the majority (who > wants "like on Windows" rendering). This awareness was actually > the reason of my post: to have guys remember

Re: Font rendering in F13

2010-05-23 Thread Roberto Ragusa
Ilyes Gouta wrote: > Hi Roberto, > >> My experience has always been that the autohinter is way better than >> all the bci stuff. > > Mine tells a different story, especially when dealing with standard' > fonts such as Arial, Tahoma and even Courier New. > > What I'd like to see is a true, fully

Re: Font rendering in F13

2010-05-23 Thread Ilyes Gouta
Hi Roberto, > My experience has always been that the autohinter is way better than > all the bci stuff. Mine tells a different story, especially when dealing with standard' fonts such as Arial, Tahoma and even Courier New. What I'd like to see is a true, fully featured font rendering experience

Re: Font rendering in F13

2010-05-23 Thread Ilyes Gouta
Hi Xoze, ClearType is a tech. for subpixel rendering that targets LCD screens, isn't it? Xft/Cairo patching is then a different feature for Fedora 14, than the bci vm being turned on by default in FreeType. Regards, -Ilyes Gouta On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Xose Vazquez Perez wrote: > On W

Re: Font rendering in F13

2010-05-23 Thread Roberto Ragusa
Matthias Clasen wrote: > Hey, > > early in the F13 cycle, we enabled the bytecode interpreter in our > freetype package, since the patents on that have expired last fall. > Unfortunately, it turned out that many free fonts don't actually benefit > from this, and actually look worse with the bci.

Re: Font rendering in F13

2010-05-22 Thread Xose Vazquez Perez
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 11:53 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote: > early in the F13 cycle, we enabled the bytecode interpreter in our > freetype package, since the patents on that have expired last fall. > Unfortunately, it turned out that many free fonts don't actually benefit > from this, and actually l

Re: Font rendering in F13

2010-05-22 Thread Ilyes Gouta
Hi, Will the bytecode interpreter in freetype be enabled for Fedora 14? -Ilyes Gouta On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 11:53 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote: > Hey, > > early in the F13 cycle, we enabled the bytecode interpreter in our > freetype package, since the patents on that have expired last fall. > Unfo

Re: Font rendering in F13

2010-03-03 Thread Jesse Keating
On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 17:53 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote: > If your fonts look subtly different tomorrow, this is why... Thanks for the heads up! -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature! identi.ca: http://identi.ca/jkeating signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message