On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 12:06:02PM -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
> So my guess would be to make kvm/qemu bigger.. make it work in Windows.
Apart from WinKVM already mentioned, you can run straight qemu on
Windows. It works like a charm, not very fast, but good enough for
testing things. We
On 06/18/2011 12:23 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 12:06 -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
>
>> So my guess would be to make kvm/qemu bigger.. make it work in Windows.
>
> Well, the clue's in the name:
>
> "KVM (for Kernel-based Virtual Machine)"
>
> I don't know any of the det
On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 12:06 -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
> So my guess would be to make kvm/qemu bigger.. make it work in Windows.
Well, the clue's in the name:
"KVM (for Kernel-based Virtual Machine)"
I don't know any of the details of the implementation of KVM, but the
fact that it's wr
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 16:59, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 18:37, Dave Jones wrote:
>> I'm curious why virtualbox has gained so much inertia so quickly.
>> Based solely on the number of kernel bug reports we get that seem to be
>> related to it, I have almost zero confide
On Thu, 16 Jun 2011, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Wed, 2011-06-01 at 20:42 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote:
> > I've seen some reports of F15 not working in Virtualbox. There's a few
> > notes online about possible fixes. Is there some way we can better test
> > this in the future (I'm thinking about Q
On Wed, 2011-06-01 at 20:42 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote:
> I've seen some reports of F15 not working in Virtualbox. There's a few
> notes online about possible fixes. Is there some way we can better test
> this in the future (I'm thinking about QA but that might not be the right
> place).
>
> Smol
On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 10:25 +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote:
> Dne 11.6.2011 16:21, Gilboa Davara napsal(a):
> >
> > On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 16:25 +0100, Tom Hughes wrote:
> >> On 10/06/11 16:12, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
> >>
> >>> Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> >> >
> They are available, but I thin
Dne 11.6.2011 16:21, Gilboa Davara napsal(a):
>
> On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 16:25 +0100, Tom Hughes wrote:
>> On 10/06/11 16:12, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
>>
>>> Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
>> >
They are available, but I think you have to build them yourself from
source. All the information
Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 07:09:19PM +0100, Jeroen van Meeuwen (Kolab Systems)
wrote:
> > while you're thinking about what to do in the area of virt-clone /
> > cloning VMs, I recon it would be nice not only to be able to clone
> > VMs that have image files, but also thos
On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 07:09:19PM +0100, Jeroen van Meeuwen (Kolab Systems)
wrote:
> while you're thinking about what to do in the area of virt-clone /
> cloning VMs, I recon it would be nice not only to be able to clone
> VMs that have image files, but also those that have a Logical Volume
> as
Gilboa Davara wrote:
>
>> > 1. Easy setup of networking (bridged).
>> Just to followup, to setup bridged net on kvm I need to reboot my server.
>> That's a non-starter.
>
> And long as you're will to do the hard work yourself, there's no need to
> reboot your machine.
>
> 1. Create a bridge co
On Sat, 11 Jun 2011 19:30:10 +0200, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
> > As for the subject at hand, -I- find VB a far inferior solution when it
> > comes to SMP and IO (disk/network) performance.
>
> With the latest VB and the SATA controller I see faster performance in the
> VM over bare hardware.
Th
- Original message -
>
> As for the subject at hand, -I- find VB a far inferior solution when it
> comes to SMP and IO (disk/network) performance.
With the latest VB and the SATA controller I see faster performance in the VM
over bare hardware.
> Sure, during the years I've create a lar
> > 1. Easy setup of networking (bridged).
> Just to followup, to setup bridged net on kvm I need to reboot my server.
> That's a non-starter.
And long as you're will to do the hard work yourself, there's no need to
reboot your machine.
1. Create a bridge configuration for each target network
On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 16:25 +0100, Tom Hughes wrote:
> On 10/06/11 16:12, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
>
> > Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> >
> >> They are available, but I think you have to build them yourself from
> >> source. All the information is here:
> >
> > 2. Make guest additions dead simp
On Sat, 2011-06-11 at 09:24 +1000, Chris Jones wrote:
> I'd suggest you purchase a new card reader. You do realize you can
> pick them up for around $10?
I'd even pay you $20 if you find me one that writes those strange edge
flash cards used by freeflight GPS devices.
Tom
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On 06/10/2011 06:12 PM, Thomas Sailer wrote:
> - USB is not really workable. Trying it just now with up2date F15
> crashed qemu (guest rawhide) when trying to assign a host USB device to
> the guest
>
If you're seriously interested in usb redirection, I'm working on
seriously improving that
On 06/11/2011 05:35 AM, Garrett Holmstrom wrote:
> Why would many prospective contributors choose to work on KVM's
> desktop usability when VirtualBox's is already superior?
Because they like KVM and use it because of other advantages like
performance? Because they disagree with handing copyright
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 12:11 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> Customers ask us to make the changes they want -- for server use and
> scalability -- and KVM is absolutely the best in that area as a
> result. See many recent benchmarks.
>
> Usability on single desktops is, well ... we do our best.
Quoting "Przemek Klosowski" :
>
> Make it one command:
>
> yum install
> http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/4.0.8/VirtualBox-4.0-4.0.8_71778_fedora15-1.x86_64.rpm
>
> (or VirtualBox-4.0-4.0.8_71778_fedora15-1.i686.rpm for 32-bit systems)
>
OMG, I am such a dick for not even thinking of that
Quoting "Thomas Sailer" :
>
> Also, I have a strange card reader which I would love to use under some
> form of virtualisation, as the accompanying application only runs under
> very old versions of windows.
>
> The card reader has the misfeature that it requires firmware to be
> loaded by the PC.
Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> If you want excellent desktop usability, then organize a group and
> make the work and patches happen.
I knew this would be the response, but I do not hold it against you.
If anyone wants to hire me and pay me to do this full-time job's worth
of work I'd be glad to. ;
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 02:13:39PM -0400, Neal Becker wrote:
> Just to followup, to setup bridged net on kvm I need to reboot my server.
> That's a non-starter.
I would be very surprised if rebooting was really needed. (But
conversely *not* very surprised if the instructions said you need to
re
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 10:12:50AM -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
> Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> > They are available, but I think you have to build them yourself from
> > source. All the information is here:
>
> This is not an argument for libvirt/kvm/qemu/spice but against.
>
> Here's some c
Neal Becker wrote:
> Dave Jones wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 02:00:57PM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote:
>> > On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 08:01:06PM +1000, Chris Jones wrote:
>> >
>> > > I agree. As virtualization technology becomes more and more involved
>> > > and frequent on users systems
On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 14:29 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> There's a bug for these issues (no resolution though):
>
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=541230
My case was way more extreme, one core pretty much fully used by ksmd.
It was with late F14, just before the release of F15
On 10/06/11 16:54, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
> Tom Hughes on 06/10/2011 10:25 AM wrote:
>> Actually building the driver (once I'd downloaded the 620Mb DDK) was
>> quite easy. I'm still scratching my head over how to actually install it
>> though ;-)
>>
>> That was only the graphics driver anyway -
Tom Hughes on 06/10/2011 10:25 AM wrote:
> Actually building the driver (once I'd downloaded the 620Mb DDK) was
> quite easy. I'm still scratching my head over how to actually install it
> though ;-)
>
> That was only the graphics driver anyway - what I really want is the
> agent for the clipboard
On 10/06/11 16:12, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
> Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
>
>> They are available, but I think you have to build them yourself from
>> source. All the information is here:
>
> 2. Make guest additions dead simple to install. Having to compile them
> with a Windows DDK is not dead
On 6/10/11 10:39 AM, Mark Bidewell wrote:
> To add to the point about graphics support there is also the fact that
> GNOME3/Unity will only run with accelerated graphics which only
> VirtualBox supports.
I have Gnome 3 running with software GL. I'll probably be blogging
about it soon, it's not
Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> They are available, but I think you have to build them yourself from
> source. All the information is here:
This is not an argument for libvirt/kvm/qemu/spice but against.
Here's some constructive advice:
1. Give the Red Hat virtualization tools one, unique name and
>> Why are people choosing it over other solutions, and what can we change
>> in qemu/kvm to get users using that instead ?
>>
>> Dave
>>
>
> 1. Easy setup of networking (bridged).
> 2. Support decent graphics mode in guests. (After installing guest
> additions, a
> winxp guest on fedora host can
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 08:22:37AM -0400, Neal Becker wrote:
> 2. Support decent graphics mode in guests. (After installing guest
> additions, a winxp guest on fedora host can run in any graphics
> resolution. I don't think qemu/kvm does this).
With SPICE, maximum resolution is 2560x1600.
Rich.
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 08:08:26AM -0400, Genes MailLists wrote:
>(i) Variable size image for the VM
>- it grows to accommodate need
Interested to know why sparse images or qcow2 don't fulfil your needs.
These have been supported in KVM (and Xen) since forever.
> (ii) Easy to duplic
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 02:30:46PM +0200, Thomas Sailer wrote:
> On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 10:24 +0200, Tomasz Torcz wrote:
>
> > - it's memory deduplication reimplements what already in-kernel (for the
> >sake of cross platform)
>
> Kernel deduplication runs amok on my machine. When I have two
On 06/09/2011 07:44 PM, Chris Jones wrote:
> Also, for those that may not be aware, Virtualbox can be installed in
> just 2 commands in your Fedora system. Assuming you have wget installed.
...
> ~$ su
> wget
> http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/4.0.8/VirtualBox-4.0-4.0.8_71778_fedora15-1.x
On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 10:24 +0200, Tomasz Torcz wrote:
> - it's memory deduplication reimplements what already in-kernel (for the
>sake of cross platform)
Kernel deduplication runs amok on my machine. When I have two guests,
one Windows, one Rawhide, running under kvm/qemu, kernel deduplicat
On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 08:50 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> The other feature is USB passthrough. (KVM can do this, but IIRC it
> only works for USB 1.1 devices and it's not integrated into the UI).
Last time I tried I had to specify USB device and bus numbers. This is
quite unusable, as they
Dave Jones wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 02:00:57PM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> > On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 08:01:06PM +1000, Chris Jones wrote:
> >
> > > I agree. As virtualization technology becomes more and more involved
> > > and frequent on users systems, particularly with advanced
On 06/09/2011 06:37 PM, Dave Jones wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 02:00:57PM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote:
Long list already from others but a couple of other things that are
nice (dont know if qemu has these today, but didn't used to)
(i) Variable size image for the VM
- it grows
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 09:18:49AM +0100, Tom Hughes wrote:
> On 10/06/11 09:12, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> >On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 09:03:16AM +0200, tim.laurid...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> >>- Running Windows application in a windows guest, runs very smooth, no
> >>delay in updating the GUI
On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 06:37:19PM -0400, Dave Jones wrote:
> I'm curious why virtualbox has gained so much inertia so quickly.
> Based solely on the number of kernel bug reports we get that seem to be
> related to it, I have almost zero confidence in it being reliable.
>
> Why are people choosing
On 10/06/11 09:12, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 09:03:16AM +0200, tim.laurid...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> - Running Windows application in a windows guest, runs very smooth, no
>> delay in updating the GUI.
>
> You should try new versions. I've never had a problem with d
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 09:03:16AM +0200, tim.laurid...@gmail.com wrote:
>- Local shared folders. to share files from Fedora host to windows
>client.
libvirt can do this now, and I think so can virt-manager (not
checked).
http://libvirt.org/formatdomain.html#elementsFilesystems
I'm not s
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 11:37 PM, Dave Jones wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 02:00:57PM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> > On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 08:01:06PM +1000, Chris Jones wrote:
> >
> > > I agree. As virtualization technology becomes more and more involved
> > > and frequent on users syst
On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 06:37:19PM -0400, Dave Jones wrote:
> I'm curious why virtualbox has gained so much inertia so quickly.
> Based solely on the number of kernel bug reports we get that seem to be
> related to it, I have almost zero confidence in it being reliable.
>
> Why are people choosing
On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 04:30:07PM -0700, Dan Young wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
> > On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 18:37, Dave Jones wrote:
> >> I'm curious why virtualbox has gained so much inertia so quickly.
> >> Based solely on the number of kernel bug reports
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 12:37 AM, Dave Jones wrote:
>
> Why are people choosing it over other solutions, and what can we change
> in qemu/kvm to get users using that instead ?
>
>
I use Virtualbox on a laptop with Fedora 14 as host OS, I use for building
and test installation of Windows applicati
tor 2011-06-09 klockan 18:37 -0400 skrev Dave Jones:
> Why are people choosing it over other solutions, and what can we change
> in qemu/kvm to get users using that instead ?
Resurrect kqemu? No, not gonna happen.
There are still usable CPUs out there, even 64-bit ones, that KVM won't
run on.
T
On Jun 9, 2011, at 6:37 PM, Dave Jones wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 02:00:57PM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote:
>> On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 08:01:06PM +1000, Chris Jones wrote:
>>
>>> I agree. As virtualization technology becomes more and more involved
>>> and frequent on users systems, particu
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 21:13, Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 06:37:19PM -0400, Dave Jones wrote:
>> Why are people choosing it over other solutions, and what can we change
>> in qemu/kvm to get users using that instead ?
>
> It works on Linux, OS X, Windows, and even Solaris. That
On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 06:37:19PM -0400, Dave Jones wrote:
> Why are people choosing it over other solutions, and what can we change
> in qemu/kvm to get users using that instead ?
It works on Linux, OS X, Windows, and even Solaris. That means large
institutions can recommend one solution for eve
Quoting "Dave Jones" :
> On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 02:00:57PM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> >
> > I don't think there are any developers working on this area, where "this
> > area" is Virtualbox. We don't ship Virtualbox. We don't ship a kernel
> > that has any knowledge of Virtualbox. There'
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 18:37, Dave Jones wrote:
>> I'm curious why virtualbox has gained so much inertia so quickly.
>> Based solely on the number of kernel bug reports we get that seem to be
>> related to it, I have almost zero confid
I use it because it has a nice GUI. I was an original user of vmware when it
first came out, actually bought a license.
I have been using VirtualBox since vmware went to the web interface gui,
couldn't get it to work so I found
VirtualBox, been using it ever since. I only use it for testing and
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 23:37, Dave Jones wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 02:00:57PM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> > On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 08:01:06PM +1000, Chris Jones wrote:
> >
> > > I agree. As virtualization technology becomes more and more involved
> > > and frequent on users system
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 18:37, Dave Jones wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 02:00:57PM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> > On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 08:01:06PM +1000, Chris Jones wrote:
> >
> > > I agree. As virtualization technology becomes more and more involved
> > > and frequent on users systems
On 06/09/2011 04:37 PM, Dave Jones wrote:
> I'm curious why virtualbox has gained so much inertia so quickly.
> Based solely on the number of kernel bug reports we get that seem to be
> related to it, I have almost zero confidence in it being reliable.
>
> Why are people choosing it over other solu
On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 02:00:57PM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 08:01:06PM +1000, Chris Jones wrote:
>
> > I agree. As virtualization technology becomes more and more involved
> > and frequent on users systems, particularly with advanced Linux users,
> > I think
On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 08:01:06PM +1000, Chris Jones wrote:
> I agree. As virtualization technology becomes more and more involved
> and frequent on users systems, particularly with advanced Linux users,
> I think there needs to be a strong focus on ensuring that all releases
> run in virtu
Quoting "Mike McGrath" :
> I've seen some reports of F15 not working in Virtualbox. There's a few
> notes online about possible fixes. Is there some way we can better test
> this in the future (I'm thinking about QA but that might not be the right
> place).
>
> Smolt has virtualbox rated as pret
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