On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 09:42:39AM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Nikos Roussos wrote:
> > It's a UX thing, so the Workstation WG seems like the best place to
> > decide this (at least for Gnome).
>
> But the Workstation WG has no decision power over other desktop
> environments, such as KDE, which
On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 10:30:21AM +0100, Till Maas wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 02:27:53PM +0300, Mustafa Muhammad wrote:
> > Hi, I am testing Fedora 21 beta and -like all previous versions- click
> > by tapping is off by default.
> > Several bug reports concerning this were closed as NOTABUG,
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 02:27:53PM +0300, Mustafa Muhammad wrote:
> Hi, I am testing Fedora 21 beta and -like all previous versions- click
> by tapping is off by default.
> Several bug reports concerning this were closed as NOTABUG, but
> tapping is useful for us (people who use it), I don't think
Peter Hutterer wrote:
> that sounds like bug, please file it here:
> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=xorg, component
> Input/synaptics with one or more evemu recordings attached that triggered
> an accidental tap.
>
> while tapping has its drawbacks, it's not supposed to be tha
Lukas Zapletal wrote:
> I am not interested in tapping at all (I actually hate random clicks and
> I always disable this), but if you really want to see this, why don't
> you start a new screen in Gnome to present a selection during the first
> boot. Maybe Gnome folks will like the idea, maybe not.
Nikos Roussos wrote:
> It's a UX thing, so the Workstation WG seems like the best place to
> decide this (at least for Gnome).
But the Workstation WG has no decision power over other desktop
environments, such as KDE, which, incidentally, is what the original poster
happens to use.
And I insist
> What can we do to make this happen?
I am not interested in tapping at all (I actually hate random clicks and
I always disable this), but if you really want to see this, why don't
you start a new screen in Gnome to present a selection during the first
boot. Maybe Gnome folks will like the idea, m
Jaroslav Nahorny composed on 2014-11-18 22:59 (UTC+0100):
> I think, if the device have some capability (feature) it shouldn't be
> disabled by default.
Right. Every feature every programmer takes the trouble to put into a
program, and every feature every chip maker puts into his chip, should be
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 10:59:24PM +0100, Jaroslav Nahorny wrote:
>
> Kevin Kofler writes:
>
> > Erik Schilling wrote:
> >> Over the time I just got used to hitting the special button...
> >
> > And that's what that "special button" is for. :-)
> >
> > If the touchpad has physical buttons (or ph
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 10:05:01PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> drago01 wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 6:50 AM, Mattias Ellert
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Even if you know that this weird "feature" exists, it will take you
> >> hours to disable it, since while you are trying to find your way throug
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 09:16:34PM +0100, Jaroslav Nahorny wrote:
>
> Björn Persson writes:
>
> > Jaroslav Nahorny wrote:
> >> [1] I know it's a far analogy, but let's try to imagine:
> >> Let's disable wifi hardware by default. Why? Because some people are not
> >> aware of this feature. They
Kevin Kofler writes:
> Erik Schilling wrote:
>> Over the time I just got used to hitting the special button...
>
> And that's what that "special button" is for. :-)
>
> If the touchpad has physical buttons (or physically-drawn "virtual
> buttons"), why do users even expect tapping to produce a
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 10:02:10PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> do you right-click? So I don't expect this to be a common case, except maybe
> in Apple's one-button land).
Apple also disables tap-to-click by default. So if it's true that users
expect that to be enabled those expectations must've
I wrote:
> If the touchpad has physical buttons (or physically-drawn "virtual
> buttons"), why do users even expect tapping to produce a click? The finger
> area is for moving, the buttons are for clicking. The only case in which
> tapping makes sense is if the touchpad has NO buttons at all (but t
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 10:05 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> drago01 wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 6:50 AM, Mattias Ellert
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Even if you know that this weird "feature" exists, it will take you
>>> hours to disable it, since while you are trying to find your way through
>>> setting
On 11/18/2014 11:09 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Jiri Eischmann wrote:
>> If you're talking about Workstation, then you should probably propose it
>> to their working group on the desktop mailing list. The working groups
>> are supposed to do such decisions now.
>> If you're talking about one of other
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Kevin Kofler
wrote:
> Erik Schilling wrote:
> > Over the time I just got used to hitting the special button...
>
> And that's what that "special button" is for. :-)
>
> If the touchpad has physical buttons (or physically-drawn "virtual
> buttons"), why do users ev
drago01 wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 6:50 AM, Mattias Ellert
> wrote:
>
>> Even if you know that this weird "feature" exists, it will take you
>> hours to disable it, since while you are trying to find your way through
>> setting and control panels you will get tons and tons of random clicks
Jiri Eischmann wrote:
> If you're talking about Workstation, then you should probably propose it
> to their working group on the desktop mailing list. The working groups
> are supposed to do such decisions now.
> If you're talking about one of other spins (KDE, Xfce,...), then you
> should go to th
On 11/18/2014 01:02 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Erik Schilling wrote:
Over the time I just got used to hitting the special button...
And that's what that "special button" is for. :-)
If the touchpad has physical buttons (or physically-drawn "virtual
buttons"), why do users even expect tapping to
On 18/11/14 22:02, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Erik Schilling wrote:
>> Over the time I just got used to hitting the special button...
>
> And that's what that "special button" is for. :-)
>
> If the touchpad has physical buttons (or physically-drawn "virtual
> buttons"), why do users even expect ta
Erik Schilling wrote:
> Over the time I just got used to hitting the special button...
And that's what that "special button" is for. :-)
If the touchpad has physical buttons (or physically-drawn "virtual
buttons"), why do users even expect tapping to produce a click? The finger
area is for movi
Mustafa Muhammad wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 1:59 PM, Bastien Nocera
> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 5:50 PM, Björn Persson
>>> wrote:
>>> By the way, "Disable touchpad when writing" is enabled by default, so
>>> this should not affect typing.
>>
>> No, it's not enabled by default.
Björn Persson writes:
> Jaroslav Nahorny wrote:
>> [1] I know it's a far analogy, but let's try to imagine:
>> Let's disable wifi hardware by default. Why? Because some people are not
>> aware of this feature. They want to use their eth interface, and having
>> wireless interface turned on prod
Mustafa Muhammad píše v Po 17. 11. 2014 v 14:27 +0300:
> Hi, I am testing Fedora 21 beta and -like all previous versions- click
> by tapping is off by default.
> Several bug reports concerning this were closed as NOTABUG, but
> tapping is useful for us (people who use it), I don't think it bothers
Peter Hutterer píše v Út 18. 11. 2014 v 14:55 +1000:
> On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 12:16:26AM +0200, Nikos Roussos wrote:
> > On 11/18/2014 12:12 AM, Peter Hutterer wrote:
> > > On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 02:27:53PM +0300, Mustafa Muhammad wrote:
> > >> Hi, I am testing Fedora 21 beta and -like all previo
On 18 Nov 2014 05:56, "Peter Hutterer" wrote:
>
> On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 12:16:26AM +0200, Nikos Roussos wrote:
> > On 11/18/2014 12:12 AM, Peter Hutterer wrote:
> > > On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 02:27:53PM +0300, Mustafa Muhammad wrote:
> > >> Hi, I am testing Fedora 21 beta and -like all previous v
Hi,
> > Even if you know that this weird "feature" exists, it will take you
> > hours to disable it, since while you are trying to find your way through
> > setting and control panels you will get tons and tons of random clicks
> > that open random windows that needs to be closed and change rand
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 6:50 AM, Mattias Ellert
wrote:
> tis 2014-11-18 klockan 00:16 +0200 skrev Nikos Roussos:
>> On 11/18/2014 12:12 AM, Peter Hutterer wrote:
>> > On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 02:27:53PM +0300, Mustafa Muhammad wrote:
>> >> Hi, I am testing Fedora 21 beta and -like all previous vers
Jaroslav Nahorny wrote:
> [1] I know it's a far analogy, but let's try to imagine:
> Let's disable wifi hardware by default. Why? Because some people are not
> aware of this feature. They want to use their eth interface, and having
> wireless interface turned on produces unnecessary „noise” and co
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 1:59 PM, Bastien Nocera wrote:
>
>
> - Original Message -
>> On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 5:50 PM, Björn Persson wrote:
>> > drago01 wrote:
>> >> Things are not black and white there is a "disable touchpad while typing"
>> >> option which would solve your problem while
- Original Message -
> Mustafa Muhammad wrote:
> > On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Björn Persson wrote:
> > > Perhaps demonstrate that it won't cause the rest of us to click on
> > > random things by accident, instead of just thinking so?
> >
> > I didn't say that, I said, "I don't thin
- Original Message -
> On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 5:50 PM, Björn Persson wrote:
> > drago01 wrote:
> >> Things are not black and white there is a "disable touchpad while typing"
> >> option which would solve your problem while not making the impression that
> >> something is broken like it
Hi Mustafa!
Mustafa Muhammad writes:
> Hi, I am testing Fedora 21 beta and -like all previous versions- click
> by tapping is off by default.
> Several bug reports concerning this were closed as NOTABUG, but
> tapping is useful for us (people who use it), I don't think it bothers
> the others th
On 11/18/2014 11:29 AM, Les Howell wrote:
> On Mon, 2014-11-17 at 15:50 +0100, Björn Persson wrote:
>> drago01 wrote:
>>> Things are not black and white there is a "disable touchpad while typing"
>>> option which would solve your problem while not making the impression that
>>> something is brok
On Mon, 2014-11-17 at 15:50 +0100, Björn Persson wrote:
> drago01 wrote:
> > Things are not black and white there is a "disable touchpad while typing"
> > option which would solve your problem while not making the impression that
> > something is broken like it is now.
>
> Possibly, but there i
On 11/18/2014 06:55 AM, Peter Hutterer wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 12:16:26AM +0200, Nikos Roussos wrote:
>> On 11/18/2014 12:12 AM, Peter Hutterer wrote:
>>> On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 02:27:53PM +0300, Mustafa Muhammad wrote:
Hi, I am testing Fedora 21 beta and -like all previous versions-
tis 2014-11-18 klockan 00:16 +0200 skrev Nikos Roussos:
> On 11/18/2014 12:12 AM, Peter Hutterer wrote:
> > On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 02:27:53PM +0300, Mustafa Muhammad wrote:
> >> Hi, I am testing Fedora 21 beta and -like all previous versions- click
> >> by tapping is off by default.
> >> Several b
Peter Hutterer composed on 2014-11-18 14:55 (UTC+1000):
> On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 12:16:26AM +0200, Nikos Roussos wrote:
>> > On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 02:27:53PM +0300, Mustafa Muhammad wrote:
>> >> on by default in most operating systems
>> >> and Linux distributions.
>> Well, in practice most
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 12:16:26AM +0200, Nikos Roussos wrote:
> On 11/18/2014 12:12 AM, Peter Hutterer wrote:
> > On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 02:27:53PM +0300, Mustafa Muhammad wrote:
> >> Hi, I am testing Fedora 21 beta and -like all previous versions- click
> >> by tapping is off by default.
> >> Se
Mustafa Muhammad wrote:
> Hi, I am testing Fedora 21 beta and -like all previous versions- click
> by tapping is off by default.
> Several bug reports concerning this were closed as NOTABUG, but
> tapping is useful for us (people who use it), I don't think it bothers
> the others that much, and is
On 11/18/2014 12:12 AM, Peter Hutterer wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 02:27:53PM +0300, Mustafa Muhammad wrote:
>> Hi, I am testing Fedora 21 beta and -like all previous versions- click
>> by tapping is off by default.
>> Several bug reports concerning this were closed as NOTABUG, but
>> tapping
Björn Persson wrote:
> Possibly, but there is also the risk of accidentally tapping when you
> only want to move the pointer but your finger happens to tremble a
> little. (That's not about Parkinson's disease. Even to perfectly healthy
> people it's difficult to hold absolutely still.)
With tappi
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 02:27:53PM +0300, Mustafa Muhammad wrote:
> Hi, I am testing Fedora 21 beta and -like all previous versions- click
> by tapping is off by default.
> Several bug reports concerning this were closed as NOTABUG, but
> tapping is useful for us (people who use it), I don't think
drago01 composed on 2014-11-17 16:53 (UTC+0100):
> Björn Persson wrote:
>> Possibly, but there is also the risk of accidentally tapping when you
>> only want to move the pointer but your finger happens to tremble a
>> little. (That's not about Parkinson's disease. Even to perfectly healthy
>> pe
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 3:50 PM, Björn Persson wrote:
> drago01 wrote:
>> Things are not black and white there is a "disable touchpad while typing"
>> option which would solve your problem while not making the impression that
>> something is broken like it is now.
>
> Possibly, but there is also
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 5:50 PM, Björn Persson wrote:
> drago01 wrote:
>> Things are not black and white there is a "disable touchpad while typing"
>> option which would solve your problem while not making the impression that
>> something is broken like it is now.
>
> Possibly, but there is also
drago01 wrote:
> Things are not black and white there is a "disable touchpad while typing"
> option which would solve your problem while not making the impression that
> something is broken like it is now.
Possibly, but there is also the risk of accidentally tapping when you
only want to move t
On Monday, November 17, 2014, Björn Persson wrote:
> Mustafa Muhammad > wrote:
> > On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Björn Persson > wrote:
> > > Perhaps demonstrate that it won't cause the rest of us to click on
> > > random things by accident, instead of just thinking so?
> >
> > I didn't say t
Mustafa Muhammad wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Björn Persson wrote:
> > Perhaps demonstrate that it won't cause the rest of us to click on
> > random things by accident, instead of just thinking so?
>
> I didn't say that, I said, "I don't think it bothers the others that much".
Then
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Björn Persson wrote:
> Mustafa Muhammad wrote:
>> Hi, I am testing Fedora 21 beta and -like all previous versions- click
>> by tapping is off by default.
>> Several bug reports concerning this were closed as NOTABUG, but
>> tapping is useful for us (people who use
On 11/17/2014 01:49 PM, Björn Persson wrote:
> Mustafa Muhammad wrote:
>> Hi, I am testing Fedora 21 beta and -like all previous versions- click
>> by tapping is off by default.
>> Several bug reports concerning this were closed as NOTABUG, but
>> tapping is useful for us (people who use it), I do
Mustafa Muhammad wrote:
> Hi, I am testing Fedora 21 beta and -like all previous versions- click
> by tapping is off by default.
> Several bug reports concerning this were closed as NOTABUG, but
> tapping is useful for us (people who use it), I don't think it bothers
> the others that much, and is
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