Re: Arithmetic coding in Fedora libjpeg (bug #639531)

2010-10-04 Thread Adam Tkac
On Sun, Oct 03, 2010 at 01:52:28PM +0530, Mukund Sivaraman wrote: > Hi all > > In reply to Gregory Maxwell: > >> It's well known around the Internet that to achieve compatibility you > >> should be conservative in what you send and liberal in what you > >> accept. Applied to JPEG: Use only Huffman

Re: Arithmetic coding in Fedora libjpeg (bug #639531)

2010-10-03 Thread Roberto Ragusa
Björn Persson wrote: > Tom Lane wrote: >> I believe that they'd be best advised to say "no", because at this point >> one of JPEG's principal attractions is near-universal compatibility. >> Throwing A/C into the mix will throw that away, for what really is a >> very marginal gain in compression eff

Re: Arithmetic coding in Fedora libjpeg (bug #639531)

2010-10-03 Thread Mukund Sivaraman
Hi all In reply to Gregory Maxwell: >> It's well known around the Internet that to achieve compatibility you >> should be conservative in what you send and liberal in what you >> accept. Applied to JPEG: Use only Huffman coding when encoding ? >> except maybe if you know that all recipients can ha

Re: Arithmetic coding in Fedora libjpeg (bug #639531)

2010-10-02 Thread Kevin Kofler
Björn Persson wrote: > It's well known around the Internet that to achieve compatibility you > should be conservative in what you send and liberal in what you accept. > Applied to JPEG: Use only Huffman coding when encoding – except maybe if > you know that all recipients can handle arithmetic codi

Re: Arithmetic coding in Fedora libjpeg (bug #639531)

2010-10-02 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Paul F. Johnson wrote: > Hi, > >> "You shall not create images with arithmetic coding" is like saying "You >> shall not create images of the flying sphagetti monster." It's not up to >> Fedora to make this choice for me. > > It is though - you have chosen to use Fed

Re: Arithmetic coding in Fedora libjpeg (bug #639531)

2010-10-02 Thread Björn Persson
Tom Lane wrote: > I believe that they'd be best advised to say "no", because at this point > one of JPEG's principal attractions is near-universal compatibility. > Throwing A/C into the mix will throw that away, for what really is a > very marginal gain in compression efficiency. It's well known a

Re: Arithmetic coding in Fedora libjpeg (bug #639531)

2010-10-02 Thread Tom Lane
Kevin Fenzi writes: > On Sat, 2 Oct 2010 22:53:53 +0530 > Mukund Sivaraman wrote: >> Arithmetic coding in Fedora libjpeg (bug #639531) > My thoughts: > - We should not be making this change in stable releases even if > otherwise like the idea. It could well cause issues and problems with >

Re: Arithmetic coding in Fedora libjpeg (bug #639531)

2010-10-02 Thread Björn Persson
Peter Lemenkov wrote: > Just for the record, AFAIK there are only two countries which allows > software patents - USA and South Korea. That's not the whole story. The situation is quite weird in countries that have signed the European Patent Convention. The convention and the national laws all s

Re: Arithmetic coding in Fedora libjpeg (bug #639531)

2010-10-02 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sat, 2 Oct 2010 22:53:53 +0530 Mukund Sivaraman wrote: > Arithmetic coding in Fedora libjpeg (bug #639531) ...snip long thing... My thoughts: - We should not be making this change in stable releases even if otherwise like the idea. It could well cause issues and problems with a fragile

Re: Arithmetic coding in Fedora libjpeg (bug #639531)

2010-10-02 Thread Paul F. Johnson
Hi, > > Remember, Fedora is not just for use in your country - there are piles > > of countries it's used in, each with their own insane patent > > regulations. The fedora stance is that if it offends, it's out. > > Just for the record, AFAIK there are only two countries which allows > software p

Re: Arithmetic coding in Fedora libjpeg (bug #639531)

2010-10-02 Thread Peter Lemenkov
2010/10/2 Paul F. Johnson : > Remember, Fedora is not just for use in your country - there are piles > of countries it's used in, each with their own insane patent > regulations. The fedora stance is that if it offends, it's out. Just for the record, AFAIK there are only two countries which allow

Re: Arithmetic coding in Fedora libjpeg (bug #639531)

2010-10-02 Thread Paul F. Johnson
Hi, > "You shall not create images with arithmetic coding" is like saying "You > shall not create images of the flying sphagetti monster." It's not up to > Fedora to make this choice for me. It is though - you have chosen to use Fedora therefore have to live with the decisions the Fedora legal pe