Re: RFC: Old packages remain on the mirrors for one week

2013-08-17 Thread Dennis Gilmore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 15 Aug 2013 23:48:46 -0500 Dennis Gilmore wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Mon, 12 Aug 2013 14:47:03 +0100 > Richard Hughes wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > I'd like to ask for comments on a feature I need for t

Re: RFC: Old packages remain on the mirrors for one week

2013-08-17 Thread drago01
On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 5:15 PM, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Sat, 17 Aug 2013 13:14:14 +0200 > drago01 wrote: > >> On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 6:48 AM, Dennis Gilmore >> wrote: >> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> > Hash: SHA1 >> > >> > On Mon

Re: RFC: Old packages remain on the mirrors for one week

2013-08-17 Thread Dennis Gilmore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 17 Aug 2013 13:14:14 +0200 drago01 wrote: > On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 6:48 AM, Dennis Gilmore > wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > On Mon, 12 Aug 2013 14:47:03 +0100 > > Richard Hughes wrote: > > > >> Hi all,

Re: RFC: Old packages remain on the mirrors for one week

2013-08-17 Thread drago01
On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 6:48 AM, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Mon, 12 Aug 2013 14:47:03 +0100 > Richard Hughes wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I'd like to ask for comments on a feature I need for the Fedora >> Application Installer. The current yum back

Re: RFC: Old packages remain on the mirrors for one week

2013-08-17 Thread Christopher Meng
I hope we can remain the rawhide packages for downgrade. Any ideas? -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct

Re: RFC: Old packages remain on the mirrors for one week

2013-08-17 Thread Frank Murphy
On Fri, 16 Aug 2013 16:57:38 -0600 Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > Well, I think many folks won't like the extra disk space used. More than likely, but if they are interested in testing maybe not.? > > I think it would take something like yum-plugin-local to have a > proper repo that yum could see to

Re: RFC: Old packages remain on the mirrors for one week

2013-08-16 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, 15 Aug 2013 22:46:10 +0100 Frank Murphy wrote: > On Thu, 15 Aug 2013 15:15:11 -0600 > Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > > That sounds like it would be a lot of duplication in mirrormanager > > and other parts of the project. ;) > > > > kevin > > Why not do it's on the users PC\Laptop. (As a cha

Re: RFC: Old packages remain on the mirrors for one week

2013-08-15 Thread Dennis Gilmore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 12 Aug 2013 14:47:03 +0100 Richard Hughes wrote: > Hi all, > > I'd like to ask for comments on a feature I need for the Fedora > Application Installer. The current yum backend in PackageKit does > something like this: > > * yum install foo

Re: RFC: Old packages remain on the mirrors for one week

2013-08-15 Thread Frank Murphy
On Thu, 15 Aug 2013 15:15:11 -0600 Kevin Fenzi wrote: > That sounds like it would be a lot of duplication in mirrormanager > and other parts of the project. ;) > > kevin Why not do it's on the users PC\Laptop. (As a change\feature?) /etc/yum.repos.d/updates.repo (ditto testing if enabled) keep

Re: RFC: Old packages remain on the mirrors for one week

2013-08-15 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, 14 Aug 2013 18:22:34 -0500 Michael Cronenworth wrote: > On 08/14/2013 12:26 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > I guess I'm open to the idea, but I have long wished we could have > > some way to always keep the previous version of a package for yum > > downgrades. ;( > > > > Keeping all that in

Re: RFC: Old packages remain on the mirrors for one week

2013-08-15 Thread Bill Nottingham
Richard Hughes (hughsi...@gmail.com) said: > On 12 August 2013 19:36, Bill Nottingham wrote: > > I could see doing this, but it is a non-trivial change to how the > > repositories are made, and there aren't really any resources assigned to > > work on that. I can give some pointers to where and w

Re: RFC: Old packages remain on the mirrors for one week

2013-08-15 Thread Michael Scherer
Le mercredi 14 août 2013 à 11:26 -0600, Kevin Fenzi a écrit : > I guess I'm open to the idea, but I have long wished we could have some > way to always keep the previous version of a package for yum > downgrades. ;( > > Keeping all that in metadata would bloat it a lot. I think Debian does that

Re: RFC: Old packages remain on the mirrors for one week

2013-08-15 Thread Jan Zelený
On 13. 8. 2013 at 11:04:52, Chris Murphy wrote: > What's the interval of repomd changes, daily? What approximate percentage of > the entire repomd changes between day 1 and day 7? If the delta is > comparatively small to full metadata files, what about implementing a daily > repomd_delta sorta like

Re: RFC: Old packages remain on the mirrors for one week

2013-08-14 Thread Mathieu Bridon
On Wed, 2013-08-14 at 11:24 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Mon, 12 Aug 2013 11:07:43 -0400 > Mathieu Bridon wrote: > > ...snip... > > > It has an added benefit: it could make « yum downgrade » work better. > > This wouldn't work with yum downgrade would it? Doesn't yum downgrade > need to 'see'

Re: RFC: Old packages remain on the mirrors for one week

2013-08-14 Thread Michael Cronenworth
On 08/14/2013 12:26 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > I guess I'm open to the idea, but I have long wished we could have some > way to always keep the previous version of a package for yum > downgrades. ;( > > Keeping all that in metadata would bloat it a lot. You could have an additional metadata packag

Re: RFC: Old packages remain on the mirrors for one week

2013-08-14 Thread Kevin Fenzi
I guess I'm open to the idea, but I have long wished we could have some way to always keep the previous version of a package for yum downgrades. ;( Keeping all that in metadata would bloat it a lot. kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject

Re: RFC: Old packages remain on the mirrors for one week

2013-08-14 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Mon, 12 Aug 2013 11:07:43 -0400 Mathieu Bridon wrote: ...snip... > It has an added benefit: it could make « yum downgrade » work better. This wouldn't work with yum downgrade would it? Doesn't yum downgrade need to 'see' the packages in the metadata? kevin signature.asc Description: PGP

Re: RFC: Old packages remain on the mirrors for one week

2013-08-13 Thread Chris Murphy
What's the interval of repomd changes, daily? What approximate percentage of the entire repomd changes between day 1 and day 7? If the delta is comparatively small to full metadata files, what about implementing a daily repomd_delta sorta like deltarpms? I see both yum and dnf downloading large

Re: RFC: Old packages remain on the mirrors for one week

2013-08-13 Thread Richard Hughes
On 12 August 2013 16:07, Mathieu Bridon wrote: > In fact, how do you even know that there is a new package without > downloading the new metadata? We do download the new metadata, but in a temp "throwaway" location (only the repomd and updateinfo) -- in an ideal world we'd have something smaller

Re: RFC: Old packages remain on the mirrors for one week

2013-08-13 Thread Richard Hughes
On 12 August 2013 19:36, Bill Nottingham wrote: > I could see doing this, but it is a non-trivial change to how the > repositories are made, and there aren't really any resources assigned to > work on that. I can give some pointers to where and what would need changed, > if you're interested in lo

Re: RFC: Old packages remain on the mirrors for one week

2013-08-12 Thread Bill Nottingham
Richard Hughes (hughsi...@gmail.com) said: > Hi all, > > I'd like to ask for comments on a feature I need for the Fedora > Application Installer. The current yum backend in PackageKit does > something like this: > > * yum install foo > * depsolve transaction using cached metadata > * download fo

Re: RFC: Old packages remain on the mirrors for one week

2013-08-12 Thread Mathieu Bridon
Hi, On Monday, August 12, 2013 09:47 AM, Richard Hughes wrote: So my proposal is thus: 1. We retain old packages on the mirrors for a minimum of 7 days. 2. We regenerate the metadata on every compose like before 3. We only include the latest package version in the metadata 4. If the user is ins

Re: RFC: Old packages remain on the mirrors for one week

2013-08-12 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 02:47:03PM +0100, Richard Hughes wrote: > appearing at odd times. So my proposal is thus: [...] > Comments welcome, thanks. Sounds like like a good thing. Speaking as a former mirror admin, I'll happily trade more storage for reduced bandwidth use. -- Matthew Miller ☁☁☁

RFC: Old packages remain on the mirrors for one week

2013-08-12 Thread Richard Hughes
Hi all, I'd like to ask for comments on a feature I need for the Fedora Application Installer. The current yum backend in PackageKit does something like this: * yum install foo * depsolve transaction using cached metadata * download foo-0.1.noarch.rpm * error! foo-0.1.noarch.rpm doesn't exist * d