Re: Proprietary search engines

2010-09-01 Thread drago01
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 11:30 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 17:20:23 -0400, >  Al Dunsmuir wrote: >> >> Please  do  not  ignore that the browser is there for the user to use, >> not for Fedora to stream information in spite of the user's wishes. > > Nor for Mozilla to track

Re: Proprietary search engines

2010-08-31 Thread Chris Jones
On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 17:20 -0400, Al Dunsmuir wrote: > Please do not ignore that the browser is there for the user to use, > not for Fedora to stream information in spite of the user's wishes. > > This is Linux, not some Microsoft (or Apple) "we know what is best for > you" system. > Al > >

Re: Proprietary search engines

2010-08-31 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 17:46:53 -0400, Matt McCutchen wrote: > > The update page is remote. If you want to disable it, set > "startup.homepage_override_url" to the empty string. There is also > "startup.homepage_welcome_url" for the first run of the browser. Thanks! -- devel mailing list d

Re: Proprietary search engines

2010-08-31 Thread Matt McCutchen
On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 16:30 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 17:20:23 -0400, > Al Dunsmuir wrote: > > > > Please do not ignore that the browser is there for the user to use, > > not for Fedora to stream information in spite of the user's wishes. > > Nor for Mozilla to

Re: Proprietary search engines

2010-08-31 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 17:20:23 -0400, Al Dunsmuir wrote: > > Please do not ignore that the browser is there for the user to use, > not for Fedora to stream information in spite of the user's wishes. Nor for Mozilla to track its users. There shouldn't be a start page at all as it opens a c

Re: Proprietary search engines

2010-08-31 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 4:59:27 PM, Matt wrote: > On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 08:27 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: >> It doesn't seem to be an unavoidable requirement, it says: >> >> "If you proposed Start/Home Page is not similar to the existing Firefox >> Start Page, please be prepared to provide

Re: Proprietary search engines

2010-08-31 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 16:59 -0400, Matt McCutchen wrote: > On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 08:27 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > It doesn't seem to be an unavoidable requirement, it says: > > > > "If you proposed Start/Home Page is not similar to the existing Firefox > > Start Page, please be prepared to

Re: Proprietary search engines

2010-08-31 Thread Matt McCutchen
On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 08:27 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > It doesn't seem to be an unavoidable requirement, it says: > > "If you proposed Start/Home Page is not similar to the existing Firefox > Start Page, please be prepared to provide a rationale for the change, > and how it would benefit the

Re: Proprietary search engines

2010-08-31 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 08:27:59AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > It doesn't seem to be an unavoidable requirement, it says: > > "If you proposed Start/Home Page is not similar to the existing Firefox > Start Page, please be prepared to provide a rationale for the change, > and how it would benef

Re: Proprietary search engines

2010-08-31 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 08:39 -0400, Matt McCutchen wrote: > On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 08:19 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > > Fedora gets to build and ship a slightly-modified version of Firefox while > > retaining the Firefox name due to a distribution partner agreement with > > Mozilla. Mozilla gets th

Re: Proprietary search engines

2010-08-31 Thread Matt McCutchen
On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 08:19 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > Fedora gets to build and ship a slightly-modified version of Firefox while > retaining the Firefox name due to a distribution partner agreement with > Mozilla. Mozilla gets their money from Google. I don't think we *can* make > it something

Re: Proprietary search engines

2010-08-31 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 10:52:04PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > Yeah, there really doesn't seem any particular reason for the search box > to be there, unless Google was paying us for it to be there or > something. Fedora gets to build and ship a slightly-modified version of Firefox while retai

Re: Proprietary search engines

2010-08-30 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 02:05 +0100, Athmane Madjoudj wrote: > On 08/30/2010 01:52 AM, Conan Kudo (ニール・ゴンパ) wrote: > > > > So why would the policy apply to the search box on > > http://start.fedoraproject.org , which is just meant for users and is > > not really a piece of infrastructure?

Re: Proprietary search engines

2010-08-29 Thread Athmane Madjoudj
On 08/30/2010 01:52 AM, Conan Kudo (ニール・ゴンパ) wrote: > > So why would the policy apply to the search box on > http://start.fedoraproject.org , which is just meant for users and is > not really a piece of infrastructure? > > -- > Matt > > > Because some people are rather overzealo

Re: Proprietary search engines

2010-08-29 Thread ニール・ゴンパ
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 7:29 PM, Matt McCutchen wrote: > On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 02:46 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > On 08/30/2010 01:01 AM, Matt McCutchen wrote: > > > > > > Interesting. I can understand not wanting to promote a proprietary > > > search engine on the Fedora start page, but if t

Re: Proprietary search engines

2010-08-29 Thread Matt McCutchen
On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 02:46 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 08/30/2010 01:01 AM, Matt McCutchen wrote: > > > > Interesting. I can understand not wanting to promote a proprietary > > search engine on the Fedora start page, but if the idea is that Fedora > > users and contributors should be able t

Re: Proprietary search engines

2010-08-29 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 08/30/2010 01:01 AM, Matt McCutchen wrote: > > Interesting. I can understand not wanting to promote a proprietary > search engine on the Fedora start page, but if the idea is that Fedora > users and contributors should be able to avoid using them altogether, I > think that's currently pretty u

Re: Proprietary search engines (was: Fedora Notifications System.)

2010-08-29 Thread Manuel Escudero
2010/8/29 Matt McCutchen > On Sun, 2010-08-29 at 14:13 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote: > > On Sun, 29 Aug 2010, Manuel Escudero wrote: > > > 3) We're already using a GOOGLE SEARCH BOX!! in > http://start.fedoraproject.org/ ¿Do you have the code for this one? > > > NO. And Fedora Project is using it. I

Proprietary search engines (was: Fedora Notifications System.)

2010-08-29 Thread Matt McCutchen
On Sun, 2010-08-29 at 14:13 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote: > On Sun, 29 Aug 2010, Manuel Escudero wrote: > > 3) We're already using a GOOGLE SEARCH BOX!! in > > http://start.fedoraproject.org/ ¿Do you have the code for this one? > > NO. And Fedora Project is using it. I'm sharing a "Fedora Solution" a