On 04/10/2012 07:17 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 19:10:46 +0200
Alec Leamas wrote:
I've moderated them... sorry it took me a few minutes to notice. ;)
kevin
Hey, no need to apologize, it was actually fixed in a couple of minutes.
Just a break in the everyday routines. Takes an I
On 04/10/2012 10:17 AM, Josh Stone wrote:
> On 04/10/2012 10:12 AM, Digimer wrote:
>> Can someone remove this user from the list until they fix their email
>> program?
>
> From the headers, it looks like bastion.fedoraproject.org repeatedly
> sending it out. Everything up to that has the same Rec
On 04/10/2012 10:12 AM, Digimer wrote:
> Can someone remove this user from the list until they fix their email
> program?
From the headers, it looks like bastion.fedoraproject.org repeatedly
sending it out. Everything up to that has the same Received header.
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> > Oggetto: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)
> >
> 12, and counting... time for post-graduate course in how to send
> emails?! ;)
>
> --alec
>
> PS: yes, it might happen all of us. But it's hard to resist tom make
> a comment. DS
I've
Il 10/04/2012 19:01, pinto.e...@gmail.com ha scritto:
> Messaggio originale
> Da: Horst H. von Brand
> Inviato: 10/04/2012, 16:31
> A: Development discussions related to Fedora; Kevin Kofler
> Oggetto: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)
>
>
> Kevi
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> Oggetto: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)
>
>
> Kevin Kofler wrote:
>> Josh Boyer wrote:
>>> "It builds" doesn't necessarily mean it works. In the rawhide case,
>>> you might very well submit something that builds but is to
On 04/10/2012 07:01 PM, pinto.e...@gmail.com wrote:
Messaggio originale
Da: Horst H. von Brand
Inviato: 10/04/2012, 16:31
A: Development discussions related to Fedora; Kevin Kofler
Oggetto: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)
12, and counting... time for post-graduate
Messaggio originale
Da: Horst H. von Brand
Inviato: 10/04/2012, 16:31
A: Development discussions related to Fedora; Kevin Kofler
Oggetto: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)
Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Josh Boyer wrote:
> > "It builds" doesn't necess
Messaggio originale
Da: Horst H. von Brand
Inviato: 10/04/2012, 16:31
A: Development discussions related to Fedora; Kevin Kofler
Oggetto: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)
Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Josh Boyer wrote:
> > "It builds" doesn't necess
Messaggio originale
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A: Development discussions related to Fedora; Kevin Kofler
Oggetto: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)
Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Josh Boyer wrote:
> > "It builds" doesn't necess
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A: Development discussions related to Fedora; Kevin Kofler
Oggetto: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)
Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Josh Boyer wrote:
> > "It builds" doesn't necess
Messaggio originale
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A: Development discussions related to Fedora; Kevin Kofler
Oggetto: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)
Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Josh Boyer wrote:
> > "It builds" doesn't necess
Messaggio originale
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A: Development discussions related to Fedora; Kevin Kofler
Oggetto: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)
Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Josh Boyer wrote:
> > "It builds" doesn't necess
Messaggio originale
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A: Development discussions related to Fedora; Kevin Kofler
Oggetto: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)
Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Josh Boyer wrote:
> > "It builds" doesn't necess
Messaggio originale
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A: Development discussions related to Fedora; Kevin Kofler
Oggetto: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)
Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Josh Boyer wrote:
> > "It builds" doesn't necess
Messaggio originale
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A: Development discussions related to Fedora; Kevin Kofler
Oggetto: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)
Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Josh Boyer wrote:
> > "It builds" doesn't necess
Messaggio originale
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A: Development discussions related to Fedora; Kevin Kofler
Oggetto: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)
Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Josh Boyer wrote:
> > "It builds" doesn't necess
Messaggio originale
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A: Development discussions related to Fedora; Kevin Kofler
Oggetto: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)
Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Josh Boyer wrote:
> > "It builds" doesn't necess
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A: Development discussions related to Fedora; Kevin Kofler
Oggetto: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)
Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Josh Boyer wrote:
> > "It builds" doesn't necess
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A: Development discussions related to Fedora; Kevin Kofler
Oggetto: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)
Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Josh Boyer wrote:
> > "It builds" doesn't necess
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A: Development discussions related to Fedora; Kevin Kofler
Oggetto: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)
Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Josh Boyer wrote:
> > "It builds" doesn't necess
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A: Development discussions related to Fedora; Kevin Kofler
Oggetto: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)
Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Josh Boyer wrote:
> > "It builds" doesn't necess
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A: Development discussions related to Fedora; Kevin Kofler
Oggetto: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)
Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Josh Boyer wrote:
> > "It builds" doesn't necess
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A: Development discussions related to Fedora; Kevin Kofler
Oggetto: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)
Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Josh Boyer wrote:
> > "It builds" doesn't necess
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A: Development discussions related to Fedora; Kevin Kofler
Oggetto: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)
Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Josh Boyer wrote:
> > "It builds" doesn't necess
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A: Development discussions related to Fedora; Kevin Kofler
Oggetto: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)
Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Josh Boyer wrote:
> > "It builds" doesn't necess
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A: Development discussions related to Fedora; Kevin Kofler
Oggetto: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)
Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Josh Boyer wrote:
> > "It builds" doesn't necess
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A: Development discussions related to Fedora; Kevin Kofler
Oggetto: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)
Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Josh Boyer wrote:
> > "It builds" doesn't necess
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A: Development discussions related to Fedora; Kevin Kofler
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Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Josh Boyer wrote:
> > "It builds" doesn't necess
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A: Development discussions related to Fedora; Kevin Kofler
Oggetto: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)
Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Josh Boyer wrote:
> > "It builds" doesn't necess
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A: Development discussions related to Fedora; Kevin Kofler
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Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Josh Boyer wrote:
> > "It builds" doesn't necess
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A: Development discussions related to Fedora; Kevin Kofler
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Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Josh Boyer wrote:
> > "It builds" doesn't necess
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Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Josh Boyer wrote:
> > "It builds" doesn't necess
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Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Josh Boyer wrote:
> > "It builds" doesn't necess
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Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Josh Boyer wrote:
> > "It builds" doesn't necess
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Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Josh Boyer wrote:
> > "It builds" doesn't necess
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A: Development discussions related to Fedora; Kevin Kofler
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Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Josh Boyer wrote:
> > "It builds" doesn't necess
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A: Development discussions related to Fedora; Kevin Kofler
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Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Josh Boyer wrote:
> > "It builds" doesn't necess
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A: Development discussions related to Fedora; Kevin Kofler
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Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Josh Boyer wrote:
> > "It builds" doesn't necess
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A: Development discussions related to Fedora; Kevin Kofler
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Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Josh Boyer wrote:
> > "It builds" doesn't necess
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A: Development discussions related to Fedora; Kevin Kofler
Oggetto: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)
Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Josh Boyer wrote:
> > "It builds" doesn't necess
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A: Development discussions related to Fedora; Kevin Kofler
Oggetto: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)
Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Josh Boyer wrote:
> > "It builds" doesn't necess
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A: Development discussions related to Fedora; Kevin Kofler
Oggetto: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)
Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Josh Boyer wrote:
> > "It builds" doesn't necess
Messaggio originale
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A: Development discussions related to Fedora; Kevin Kofler
Oggetto: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)
Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Josh Boyer wrote:
> > "It builds" doesn't necess
On Tuesday, April 10, 2012, 11:27:59 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Horst H. von Brand wrote:
>> That is just irresponsible. BTW, there are too few rawhide consumers as
>> things stand; this would make rawhide be russian roulette, but with 5
>> bullets instead of 1.
> Rawhide IS already Russian roulett
Horst H. von Brand wrote:
> That is just irresponsible. BTW, there are too few rawhide consumers as
> things stand; this would make rawhide be russian roulette, but with 5
> bullets instead of 1.
Rawhide IS already Russian roulette. ;-)
If you use it, you get to keep the pieces.
Kevin Ko
Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Josh Boyer wrote:
> > "It builds" doesn't necessarily mean it works. In the rawhide case,
> > you might very well submit something that builds but is totally
> > broken. By the time you download the official build and test it
> > locally, it can already be in the day's comp
Josh Boyer wrote:
> "It builds" doesn't necessarily mean it works. In the rawhide case,
> you might very well submit something that builds but is totally
> broken. By the time you download the official build and test it
> locally, it can already be in the day's compose and now you've just
> infli
On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Josh Boyer wrote:
>> Because you, as the maintainer of the package in question, aren't
>> building and testing the package locally before you submit the official
>> build? Or you aren't leveraging scratch builds to do the same if your
>> local
Josh Boyer wrote:
> Because you, as the maintainer of the package in question, aren't
> building and testing the package locally before you submit the official
> build? Or you aren't leveraging scratch builds to do the same if your
> local hardware is prohibitively slow?
The local or scratch buil
On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 6:25 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Björn Persson wrote:
>> So what it boils down to is that you wish you didn't have to wait for the
>> build to complete in Koji before you submit the update in Bodhi
>
> Not really, because I have no idea whether it will build in the first place
Björn Persson wrote:
> So what it boils down to is that you wish you didn't have to wait for the
> build to complete in Koji before you submit the update in Bodhi
Not really, because I have no idea whether it will build in the first place
before the build is complete (on any architecture)!
Kevin Kofler wrote:
> The idea would be that you'd be able to file and queue the update in Bodhi
> as soon as the primary build completes, just as now, except that "primary"
> would now be the one, possibly fake, architecture. The updates could even
> get pushed right there, for the internal pri
On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 2:57 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Hi,
>
> let me suggest a new proposal for the primary architecture controversy:
> Let's have exactly one architecture handled as primary in Koji, picked with
> the ONLY aim of making builds as fast as possible.
Even though fast builds are nice
On Sun, Apr 08, 2012 at 02:34:25PM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> * Updates would be able to be filed as soon as the primary build completes
> (see below).
Question: What should be happen, if the build fails on a architecture
which was not built as fast as the festest build.
I have in mind that th
Miloslav Trmač wrote:
> How is this in practice different from
> a) the package maintainer looking at the build logs of the
> fastest-building architecture as soon as that architecture builds, and
> ignoring the rest? (The maintainer can do this right now.)
* The build might be faster if we find
Hi.
On Sat, 07 Apr 2012 22:35:01 -0300, Horst H. von Brand wrote
> Nobody will _run_ that, so no testing other that "it builds".
if I understand Kevin correctly nobody is supposed to run it.
It's just used as a fast-fail check for compilability (if that's
a word).
It's exactly the same informat
Kevin Kofler wrote:
> let me suggest a new proposal for the primary architecture controversy:
> Let's have exactly one architecture handled as primary in Koji, picked with
> the ONLY aim of making builds as fast as possible.
[...]
> Advantages:
> * faster builds (no more waiting for all archi
On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 2:57 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> let me suggest a new proposal for the primary architecture controversy:
> Let's have exactly one architecture handled as primary in Koji, picked with
> the ONLY aim of making builds as fast as possible.
Interesting idea, having Koji wait only
Hi,
let me suggest a new proposal for the primary architecture controversy:
Let's have exactly one architecture handled as primary in Koji, picked with
the ONLY aim of making builds as fast as possible. Please note that while
this may well end up to be x86_64 at least right now, this in princip
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