Re: I would like to propose that we turn on XFS Reflink in Fedora 29 by default

2018-05-25 Thread Roberto Ragusa
On 05/02/2018 11:35 AM, Marius Vollmer wrote: > Neal Gompa writes: > >> And there's still the fun restriction of XFS not being able to shrink. > > But note that even ext4 can't shrink while being mounted. I consider that an annoying limitation of ext4, and I would not expect a replacement files

Re: I would like to propose that we turn on XFS Reflink in Fedora 29 by default

2018-05-24 Thread Chris Murphy
Late and off-topic by now, but in retrospect my response is closer to stupid than the intended hyperbolic+funny. On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 7:07 AM, Martin Kolman wrote: >> What about putting it on top of a thin-LV then ? With over provisioning

Re: I would like to propose that we turn on XFS Reflink in Fedora 29 by default

2018-05-03 Thread Eric Sandeen
On 4/29/18 11:45 AM, Eric Sandeen wrote: >> Assuming that the plan is to leave it enabled in F-29 on branching and >> have it ship enabled in F-29 I agree, if the intention is to leave it >> enabled in rawhide and disable it on branching then the Change >> Proposal mechanism isn't the way to ensure

Re: I would like to propose that we turn on XFS Reflink in Fedora 29 by default

2018-05-02 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 2 May 2018 at 18:49, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 7:25 AM, Eric Sandeen wrote: >> On 5/2/18 7:15 AM, Neal Gompa wrote: >>> On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 5:36 AM Marius Vollmer >>> wrote: >>> Neal Gompa writes: >>> > And there's still the fun restriction of XFS not being abl

Re: I would like to propose that we turn on XFS Reflink in Fedora 29 by default

2018-05-02 Thread Chris Murphy
On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 7:25 AM, Eric Sandeen wrote: > On 5/2/18 7:15 AM, Neal Gompa wrote: >> On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 5:36 AM Marius Vollmer >> wrote: >> >>> Neal Gompa writes: >> And there's still the fun restriction of XFS not being able to shrink. >> >>> But note that even ext4 can't shri

Re: I would like to propose that we turn on XFS Reflink in Fedora 29 by default

2018-05-02 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 9:25 AM, Eric Sandeen wrote: > On 5/2/18 7:15 AM, Neal Gompa wrote: >> On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 5:36 AM Marius Vollmer >> wrote: >> >>> Neal Gompa writes: >> And there's still the fun restriction of XFS not being able to shrink. >> >>> But note that even ext4 can't shri

Re: I would like to propose that we turn on XFS Reflink in Fedora 29 by default

2018-05-02 Thread Chris Murphy
On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 7:07 AM, Martin Kolman wrote: > On Mon, 2018-04-30 at 18:16 +, Neal Gompa wrote: >> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 2:14 PM Jason L Tibbitts III >> wrote: >> >> > > > > > > "CW" == Colin Walters writes: >> > CW> I'd say it makes sense to revisit the default here globally in >>

Re: I would like to propose that we turn on XFS Reflink in Fedora 29 by default

2018-05-02 Thread Ian Pilcher
On 05/02/2018 08:56 AM, Eric Sandeen wrote: Given that it is exception activity, dump/mks/restore is also a less convenient but more robust solution to the problem. I'm sitting in a hotel room with a laptop. What do I backup *to*? If you're putting your years-old root or home filesystem at r

Re: I would like to propose that we turn on XFS Reflink in Fedora 29 by default

2018-05-02 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le 2018-05-02 15:25, Eric Sandeen a écrit : On 5/2/18 7:15 AM, Neal Gompa wrote: But it can shrink when it's not. This is incredibly important for being able to deal with resizing both / and /home at the same time, or even trying to make space for multi-booting (typically with Windows but so

Re: I would like to propose that we turn on XFS Reflink in Fedora 29 by default

2018-05-02 Thread Eric Sandeen
On 5/2/18 8:42 AM, Ian Pilcher wrote: > On 05/02/2018 08:25 AM, Eric Sandeen wrote: >> I've always seen the need for shrink as an indicator that someone had >> poor planning along the way, or insufficient tools for provisioning to >> start with.  Sure, there are exceptions, but in general who needs

Re: I would like to propose that we turn on XFS Reflink in Fedora 29 by default

2018-05-02 Thread Ian Pilcher
On 05/02/2018 08:25 AM, Eric Sandeen wrote: I've always seen the need for shrink as an indicator that someone had poor planning along the way, or insufficient tools for provisioning to start with. Sure, there are exceptions, but in general who needs shrink on a regular basis? The point isn't s

Re: I would like to propose that we turn on XFS Reflink in Fedora 29 by default

2018-05-02 Thread Eric Sandeen
On 5/2/18 7:15 AM, Neal Gompa wrote: > On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 5:36 AM Marius Vollmer > wrote: > >> Neal Gompa writes: > >>> And there's still the fun restriction of XFS not being able to shrink. > >> But note that even ext4 can't shrink while being mounted. > > But it can shrink when it's not

Re: I would like to propose that we turn on XFS Reflink in Fedora 29 by default

2018-05-02 Thread Martin Kolman
On Mon, 2018-04-30 at 18:16 +, Neal Gompa wrote: > On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 2:14 PM Jason L Tibbitts III > wrote: > > > > > > > > "CW" == Colin Walters writes: > > CW> I'd say it makes sense to revisit the default here globally in > > CW> Anaconda. > > Maybe. Have the issues which made XFS l

Re: I would like to propose that we turn on XFS Reflink in Fedora 29 by default

2018-05-02 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 5:36 AM Marius Vollmer wrote: > Neal Gompa writes: > > And there's still the fun restriction of XFS not being able to shrink. > But note that even ext4 can't shrink while being mounted. But it can shrink when it's not. This is incredibly important for being able to deal

Re: I would like to propose that we turn on XFS Reflink in Fedora 29 by default

2018-05-02 Thread Marius Vollmer
Neal Gompa writes: > And there's still the fun restriction of XFS not being able to shrink. But note that even ext4 can't shrink while being mounted. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@li

Re: I would like to propose that we turn on XFS Reflink in Fedora 29 by default

2018-05-01 Thread Eric Sandeen
On 4/30/18 1:16 PM, Neal Gompa wrote: > On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 2:14 PM Jason L Tibbitts III > wrote: > >>> "CW" == Colin Walters writes: > >> CW> I'd say it makes sense to revisit the default here globally in >> CW> Anaconda. > >> Maybe. Have the issues which made XFS less suitable for u

Re: I would like to propose that we turn on XFS Reflink in Fedora 29 by default

2018-04-30 Thread Dusty Mabe
On 04/30/2018 02:16 PM, Neal Gompa wrote: > > And there's still the fun restriction of XFS not being able to shrink. It's > not particularly important in the server case, but in the desktop/laptop > case, it happens enough in my experience that I'm not sure I'd want a > default filesystem that

Re: I would like to propose that we turn on XFS Reflink in Fedora 29 by default

2018-04-30 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 2:14 PM Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > > "CW" == Colin Walters writes: > CW> I'd say it makes sense to revisit the default here globally in > CW> Anaconda. > Maybe. Have the issues which made XFS less suitable for use on laptops > been resolved? The primary one I r

Re: I would like to propose that we turn on XFS Reflink in Fedora 29 by default

2018-04-30 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
> "CW" == Colin Walters writes: CW> I'd say it makes sense to revisit the default here globally in CW> Anaconda. Maybe. Have the issues which made XFS less suitable for use on laptops been resolved? The primary one I recall was that each mounted filesystem would have a corresponding kernel

Re: I would like to propose that we turn on XFS Reflink in Fedora 29 by default

2018-04-29 Thread Colin Walters
On Sun, Apr 29, 2018, at 6:47 AM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > XFS is the default filesystem on Fedora Server Edition, And we use Server partitioning now for Atomic Host. But for the vast majority of times people say "Fedora" they're talking about as a desktop. And Workstation uses the Anacond

Re: I would like to propose that we turn on XFS Reflink in Fedora 29 by default

2018-04-29 Thread Eric Sandeen
On 4/29/18 6:23 AM, Peter Robinson wrote: On 28/04/18 14:55, Peter Robinson wrote: > On Sat, Apr 28, 2018 at 11:09 AM, Daniel Walsh > wrote: >> We are adding some features to container projects for User Namespace >> support >> that can take advantage of XFS Reflink. I hav

Re: I would like to propose that we turn on XFS Reflink in Fedora 29 by default

2018-04-29 Thread Peter Robinson
>> > On 28/04/18 14:55, Peter Robinson wrote: >> >> On Sat, Apr 28, 2018 at 11:09 AM, Daniel Walsh >> >> wrote: >> >>> We are adding some features to container projects for User Namespace >> >>> support >> >>> that can take advantage of XFS Reflink. I have talked to some of the >> >>> XFS >> >>>

Re: I would like to propose that we turn on XFS Reflink in Fedora 29 by default

2018-04-29 Thread Stephen Gallagher
On Sat, Apr 28, 2018 at 11:37 PM Eric Sandeen wrote: > > > On 4/28/18 9:21 AM, Steven Whitehouse wrote: > > Hi, > > > > > > On 28/04/18 14:55, Peter Robinson wrote: > >> On Sat, Apr 28, 2018 at 11:09 AM, Daniel Walsh > wrote: > >>> We are adding some features to container projects for User Names

Re: I would like to propose that we turn on XFS Reflink in Fedora 29 by default

2018-04-28 Thread Eric Sandeen
On 4/28/18 9:21 AM, Steven Whitehouse wrote: > Hi, > > > On 28/04/18 14:55, Peter Robinson wrote: >> On Sat, Apr 28, 2018 at 11:09 AM, Daniel Walsh wrote: >>> We are adding some features to container projects for User Namespace support >>> that can take advantage of XFS Reflink.  I have talked

Re: I would like to propose that we turn on XFS Reflink in Fedora 29 by default

2018-04-28 Thread Steven Whitehouse
Hi, On 28/04/18 14:55, Peter Robinson wrote: On Sat, Apr 28, 2018 at 11:09 AM, Daniel Walsh wrote: We are adding some features to container projects for User Namespace support that can take advantage of XFS Reflink. I have talked to some of the XFS Reflink kernel engineers in Red Hat and the

Re: I would like to propose that we turn on XFS Reflink in Fedora 29 by default

2018-04-28 Thread Peter Robinson
On Sat, Apr 28, 2018 at 11:09 AM, Daniel Walsh wrote: > We are adding some features to container projects for User Namespace support > that can take advantage of XFS Reflink. I have talked to some of the XFS > Reflink kernel engineers in Red Hat and they have informed me that they > believe it is

I would like to propose that we turn on XFS Reflink in Fedora 29 by default

2018-04-28 Thread Daniel Walsh
We are adding some features to container projects for User Namespace support that can take advantage of XFS Reflink.  I have talked to some of the XFS Reflink kernel engineers in Red Hat and they have informed me that they believe it is ready to be turned on by default. I am not sure who in Re