Re: Giving us the ability to go backwards [was Re: plan to update F27 to systemd-235]

2017-10-12 Thread nicolas . mailhot
- Mail original - De: "Pierre-Yves Chibon" >Ok, another random/crazy/likely stupid idea for the same outcome: the >possibility to go backwards in our packaging. >What if we inverted version and release? > So -2.1-1 become -1-2.1? Same problem than with epoch. Does not work with third-

Re: Giving us the ability to go backwards [was Re: plan to update F27 to systemd-235]

2017-10-12 Thread Pierre-Yves Chibon
On Sat, Oct 07, 2017 at 12:31:04PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Sat, Oct 07, 2017 at 10:33:38AM -0400, Colin Walters wrote: > > I'm personally very in favor of this; of course my usual refrain > > here is that we should *try* new things and have the ability > > to back them out if they don't w

Re: Giving us the ability to go backwards [was Re: plan to update F27 to systemd-235]

2017-10-09 Thread Colin Walters
On Sat, Oct 7, 2017, at 01:26 PM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > At a certain point, if you want/need to do these things, it is better > to burn it from the ground and come up with a new packaging system > (and relearn all the second system problems involved with that). I actually put code behind

Re: Giving us the ability to go backwards [was Re: plan to update F27 to systemd-235]

2017-10-09 Thread nicolas . mailhot
- Mail original - De: "Vít Ondruch" > This does not necessarily work in case when subpackages are using > different versions from main package. But if we always increased > release, it would not hurt ... OTOH, it would not solve the typical > issues with 1.0.0.rc1 updated to 1.0.0 T

Re: Giving us the ability to go backwards [was Re: plan to update F27 to systemd-235]

2017-10-09 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 7.10.2017 v 18:45 Neal Gompa napsal(a): > On Sat, Oct 7, 2017 at 12:31 PM, Matthew Miller > wrote: >> On Sat, Oct 07, 2017 at 10:33:38AM -0400, Colin Walters wrote: >>> I'm personally very in favor of this; of course my usual refrain >>> here is that we should *try* new things and have the a

Re: Giving us the ability to go backwards [was Re: plan to update F27 to systemd-235]

2017-10-08 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Sat, Oct 7, 2017 at 1:26 PM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > If there is one thing I have learned in 20 years of dealing with > RPMS... DON'T PLAY AROUND WITH EPOCH. It is a hack which should only > be used as a last resort and a lot of tools are built around that > assumption.. even if they don

Re: Giving us the ability to go backwards [was Re: plan to update F27 to systemd-235]

2017-10-07 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 7 October 2017 at 12:31, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Sat, Oct 07, 2017 at 10:33:38AM -0400, Colin Walters wrote: >> I'm personally very in favor of this; of course my usual refrain >> here is that we should *try* new things and have the ability >> to back them out if they don't work (the latter

Re: Giving us the ability to go backwards [was Re: plan to update F27 to systemd-235]

2017-10-07 Thread Neal Gompa
On Sat, Oct 7, 2017 at 1:10 PM, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote: > On Sat, Oct 07, 2017 at 12:45:14PM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: >> On Sat, Oct 7, 2017 at 12:31 PM, Matthew Miller >> wrote: >> > On Sat, Oct 07, 2017 at 10:33:38AM -0400, Colin Walters wrote: >> >> I'm personally very in favor of this; of c

Re: Giving us the ability to go backwards [was Re: plan to update F27 to systemd-235]

2017-10-07 Thread Pierre-Yves Chibon
On Sat, Oct 07, 2017 at 12:45:14PM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: > On Sat, Oct 7, 2017 at 12:31 PM, Matthew Miller > wrote: > > On Sat, Oct 07, 2017 at 10:33:38AM -0400, Colin Walters wrote: > >> I'm personally very in favor of this; of course my usual refrain > >> here is that we should *try* new thin

Re: Giving us the ability to go backwards [was Re: plan to update F27 to systemd-235]

2017-10-07 Thread Neal Gompa
On Sat, Oct 7, 2017 at 12:47 PM, Igor Gnatenko wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > On Sat, 2017-10-07 at 12:31 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: >> On Sat, Oct 07, 2017 at 10:33:38AM -0400, Colin Walters wrote: >> > I'm personally very in favor of this; of course my usual ref

Re: Giving us the ability to go backwards [was Re: plan to update F27 to systemd-235]

2017-10-07 Thread Igor Gnatenko
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On Sat, 2017-10-07 at 12:31 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Sat, Oct 07, 2017 at 10:33:38AM -0400, Colin Walters wrote: > > I'm personally very in favor of this; of course my usual refrain > > here is that we should *try* new things and have the ab

Re: Giving us the ability to go backwards [was Re: plan to update F27 to systemd-235]

2017-10-07 Thread Neal Gompa
On Sat, Oct 7, 2017 at 12:31 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Sat, Oct 07, 2017 at 10:33:38AM -0400, Colin Walters wrote: >> I'm personally very in favor of this; of course my usual refrain >> here is that we should *try* new things and have the ability >> to back them out if they don't work (the la

Re: Giving us the ability to go backwards [was Re: plan to update F27 to systemd-235]

2017-10-07 Thread Florian Weimer
On 10/07/2017 06:31 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Sat, Oct 07, 2017 at 10:33:38AM -0400, Colin Walters wrote: I'm personally very in favor of this; of course my usual refrain here is that we should *try* new things and have the ability to back them out if they don't work (the latter bit is what t

Giving us the ability to go backwards [was Re: plan to update F27 to systemd-235]

2017-10-07 Thread Matthew Miller
On Sat, Oct 07, 2017 at 10:33:38AM -0400, Colin Walters wrote: > I'm personally very in favor of this; of course my usual refrain > here is that we should *try* new things and have the ability > to back them out if they don't work (the latter bit is what the > current system doesn't support). You