Re: Font rendering in F13

2010-07-19 Thread Trever L. Adams
On 07/19/2010 11:26 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > It already is, in Rawhide. Upgrade an F13 machine to Rawhide and you'll > see noticeably different font rendering. > > (Though it's really not as simple as that story makes it seem, which is > why we didn't do it for F13. Bytecode interpreting on

Re: Font rendering in F13

2010-07-19 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 10:26:53AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > It already is, in Rawhide. Upgrade an F13 machine to Rawhide and you'll > see noticeably different font rendering. See: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547532 > (Though it's really not as simple as that story makes it

Re: Font rendering in F13

2010-07-19 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2010-07-19 at 19:15 +0200, Ilyes Gouta wrote: > Hi, > > http://apple.slashdot.org/story/10/07/19/1524250/FreeType-Project-Cheers-TrueType-Patent-Expiration > > Are we going to have it enabled for Fedora 14? It already is, in Rawhide. Upgrade an F13 machine to Rawhide and you'll see notic

Re: Font rendering in F13

2010-07-19 Thread Ilyes Gouta
Hi, http://apple.slashdot.org/story/10/07/19/1524250/FreeType-Project-Cheers-TrueType-Patent-Expiration Are we going to have it enabled for Fedora 14? -Ilyes Gouta On Wednesday, May 26, 2010, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 07:30:56PM +0200, Martin Sourada wrote: >> Depends on

Re: Font rendering in F13

2010-05-26 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 07:30:56PM +0200, Martin Sourada wrote: > Depends on the criteria you use. The "with bytecode" version has better > kerning, better shapes, better flow, but is blurry (yeah, without Not just blurry, though -- awkwardly blurry. At screen resolution, in fact, I think it's pus

Re: Font rendering in F13

2010-05-26 Thread Ilyes Gouta
+1 On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 6:30 PM, Martin Sourada wrote: > On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 10:29 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: >> On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 09:51:53PM +0200, drago01 wrote: >> > The patents for the former expired but apparently some fonts look >> > worse with it so we decided to disable it. >

Re: Font rendering in F13

2010-05-26 Thread Martin Sourada
On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 10:29 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 09:51:53PM +0200, drago01 wrote: > > The patents for the former expired but apparently some fonts look > > worse with it so we decided to disable it. > > (I have been running with it enabled for years and for me stu

Re: Font rendering in F13

2010-05-26 Thread Matthew Miller
On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 09:51:53PM +0200, drago01 wrote: > The patents for the former expired but apparently some fonts look > worse with it so we decided to disable it. > (I have been running with it enabled for years and for me stuff does > look _way_ better with the bci ... but well this is a su

Re: Font rendering in F13

2010-05-25 Thread Matěj Cepl
Dne 25.5.2010 18:17, Adam Williamson napsal(a): > Free world fonts - Deja Vu and so on - > were designed with the autohinter in mind, and tend to look better that > way. Not all of them ... I was chatting with the author of Iconoclasta and he admitted he developed the font on Windows and with BCI

Re: Font rendering in F13

2010-05-25 Thread Ilyes Gouta
Hi, > That's always been how it's looked to me as well, FWIW. Given that we > default to using free world fonts and can't ship Microsoft's fonts it > would seem sensible to default to the autohinter rather than the BCI, in > my opinion. I definitely prefer the autohinter's interpretation of the >

Re: Font rendering in F13

2010-05-25 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sun, 2010-05-23 at 21:51 +0200, drago01 wrote: > On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 9:11 PM, Gianluca Sforna wrote: > > On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Roberto Ragusa > > wrote: > >> > >> I'm well aware that many people have different tastes about font > >> readability and that I'm probably out of the

Re: Font rendering in F13

2010-05-23 Thread drago01
On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 9:11 PM, Gianluca Sforna wrote: > On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Roberto Ragusa wrote: >> >> I'm well aware that many people have different tastes about font >> readability and that I'm probably out of the majority (who >> wants "like on Windows" rendering). This awarene

Re: Font rendering in F13

2010-05-23 Thread Gianluca Sforna
On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Roberto Ragusa wrote: > > I'm well aware that many people have different tastes about font > readability and that I'm probably out of the majority (who > wants "like on Windows" rendering). This awareness was actually > the reason of my post: to have guys remember

Re: Font rendering in F13

2010-05-23 Thread Roberto Ragusa
Ilyes Gouta wrote: > Hi Roberto, > >> My experience has always been that the autohinter is way better than >> all the bci stuff. > > Mine tells a different story, especially when dealing with standard' > fonts such as Arial, Tahoma and even Courier New. > > What I'd like to see is a true, fully

Re: Font rendering in F13

2010-05-23 Thread Ilyes Gouta
Hi Roberto, > My experience has always been that the autohinter is way better than > all the bci stuff. Mine tells a different story, especially when dealing with standard' fonts such as Arial, Tahoma and even Courier New. What I'd like to see is a true, fully featured font rendering experience

Re: Font rendering in F13

2010-05-23 Thread Ilyes Gouta
Hi Xoze, ClearType is a tech. for subpixel rendering that targets LCD screens, isn't it? Xft/Cairo patching is then a different feature for Fedora 14, than the bci vm being turned on by default in FreeType. Regards, -Ilyes Gouta On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Xose Vazquez Perez wrote: > On W

Re: Font rendering in F13

2010-05-23 Thread Roberto Ragusa
Matthias Clasen wrote: > Hey, > > early in the F13 cycle, we enabled the bytecode interpreter in our > freetype package, since the patents on that have expired last fall. > Unfortunately, it turned out that many free fonts don't actually benefit > from this, and actually look worse with the bci.

Re: Font rendering in F13

2010-05-22 Thread Xose Vazquez Perez
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 11:53 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote: > early in the F13 cycle, we enabled the bytecode interpreter in our > freetype package, since the patents on that have expired last fall. > Unfortunately, it turned out that many free fonts don't actually benefit > from this, and actually l

Re: Font rendering in F13

2010-05-22 Thread Ilyes Gouta
Hi, Will the bytecode interpreter in freetype be enabled for Fedora 14? -Ilyes Gouta On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 11:53 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote: > Hey, > > early in the F13 cycle, we enabled the bytecode interpreter in our > freetype package, since the patents on that have expired last fall. > Unfo

Re: Font rendering in F13

2010-03-03 Thread Jesse Keating
On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 17:53 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote: > If your fonts look subtly different tomorrow, this is why... Thanks for the heads up! -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature! identi.ca: http://identi.ca/jkeating signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message

Font rendering in F13

2010-03-03 Thread Matthias Clasen
Hey, early in the F13 cycle, we enabled the bytecode interpreter in our freetype package, since the patents on that have expired last fall. Unfortunately, it turned out that many free fonts don't actually benefit from this, and actually look worse with the bci. The reason for that is that without