On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 19:58 +0100, Till Maas wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 03, 2013 at 09:59:52AM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
>
> > Oh sure. I guess I need to draw a distinction between what I see as two
> > different cases. Which I'm sure you understand but I'm having trouble
> > describing clearly. I g
On Thu, Jan 03, 2013 at 09:59:52AM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
> Oh sure. I guess I need to draw a distinction between what I see as two
> different cases. Which I'm sure you understand but I'm having trouble
> describing clearly. I guess what I'm saying is, if
> there's /etc/keyboard.conf speci
Adam Williamson (awill...@redhat.com) said:
> In addition to those bugs, we have fairly significant regressions in the
> completeness of anaconda translations between Fedora 16 and Fedora 18
> (the numbers for F17 for some languages are weird - a lot of languages
> show 55% completion for F17 but
- Original Message -
> On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 10:09 -0500, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
>
> > > * https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=891487 - anaconda
> > > doesn't
> > > seem to manage to offer all the keyboard layouts it could do, and
> > > some
> > > of the ones it's missing are somew
On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 10:26 -0800, John Reiser wrote:
> On 01/03/2013 09:59 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > if
> > there's /etc/keyboard.conf specifying 'KEYBOARD=foo', [then] I should never
> > have to pass 'KEYBOARD=foo' as a cmdline to make foo my keyboard layout
> > in some case. As things stan
On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 10:09 -0500, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
> > * https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=891487 - anaconda
> > doesn't
> > seem to manage to offer all the keyboard layouts it could do, and
> > some
> > of the ones it's missing are somewhat important
>
> Already accepted as NTH,
On 01/03/2013 09:59 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> if
> there's /etc/keyboard.conf specifying 'KEYBOARD=foo', [then] I should never
> have to pass 'KEYBOARD=foo' as a cmdline to make foo my keyboard layout
> in some case. As things stand I believe I do, for passphrase entry
> during dracut.
The dra
On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 18:53 +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> On Thu, 03.01.13 09:38, Adam Williamson (awill...@redhat.com) wrote:
>
> > If we have such a tool, can we make the whole area of keymap
> > configuration much less insane? Right now we appear to have at least the
> > following:
>
> We
On Thu, 03.01.13 09:38, Adam Williamson (awill...@redhat.com) wrote:
> If we have such a tool, can we make the whole area of keymap
> configuration much less insane? Right now we appear to have at least the
> following:
Well, we still will allow configuration of per-boot, per-system and
per-user
On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 15:43 +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> On Thu, 03.01.13 00:03, Adam Williamson (awill...@redhat.com) wrote:
>
> > * https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=889562 - systemd
> > conversion from xkb to console layouts fails probably more than it
> > succeeds, when it does
On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 14:19 +0100, Jiri Eischmann wrote:
> "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" píše v Čt 03. 01. 2013 v 12:40 +:
> > On 01/03/2013 10:37 AM, Jiri Eischmann wrote:
> > > So yes, these issues are serious, but IMHO rather a long-term problem we
> > > should focus on after releasing F18.
> >
>
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 9:03 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> 3. In the longer term, how can we get anaconda, i18n, systemd, GNOME etc
> folks all pointed in the same direction and working so that there's far
> less suckage and far more smooth interaction going on here? Should we
> try and run some sor
On 01/03/2013 04:01 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
I assume you are not using encrypted partition
I do.
Given that we are already that far behind the schedule few more months
hardly matter or at least delay the release up to the point this issues
are fixed.
Yes it does. Many already upg
On 01/03/2013 04:01 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
What is not right here while the distribution has significantly
increased in size the release cycle has not been extended to accommodate
for that ( amongst other growth pain we suffer from )
The number of packages might have increased, but i
uot;drago01"
> > To: "For testing and quality assurance of Fedora releases"
> >
> > Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2013 4:15:29 PM
> > Subject: Re: Fedora 18 issues with translations and keymaps
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Josef Skladanka
- Original Message -
> Hey, folks. I'm not really sure how to frame it, but the result of
> all
> my poking about at keyboard layout bugs and related stuff recently is
> that I'm pretty sad at the state of support for
> anything-but-U.S.-English in Fedora 18.
>
> Here's the tally:
>
> * h
On 01/03/2013 01:57 PM, Jiri Eischmann wrote:
drago01 píše v Čt 03. 01. 2013 v 14:43 +0100:
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Jiri Eischmann wrote:
drago01 píše v Čt 03. 01. 2013 v 14:13 +0100:
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 12:06 PM, Fabian Deutsch wrote:
Jiri Eischmann wrote:
Adam Williamson píše
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> In the meantime, until somebody wants to spend the time on writing this
> tool I think the best is to update the keyboard mapping table that
> systemd ships. I am more than happy to apply patches to that and it's no
> issue at all updati
On Thu, 03.01.13 00:03, Adam Williamson (awill...@redhat.com) wrote:
> * https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=889562 - systemd
> conversion from xkb to console layouts fails probably more than it
> succeeds, when it does, you wind up with U.S. English as your console
> layout, not whatever
drago01 píše v Čt 03. 01. 2013 v 14:43 +0100:
> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Jiri Eischmann wrote:
> > drago01 píše v Čt 03. 01. 2013 v 14:13 +0100:
> >> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 12:06 PM, Fabian Deutsch
> >> wrote:
> >> > Jiri Eischmann wrote:
> >> >> Adam Williamson píše v Čt 03. 01. 2013 v 0
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Jiri Eischmann wrote:
> drago01 píše v Čt 03. 01. 2013 v 14:13 +0100:
>> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 12:06 PM, Fabian Deutsch
>> wrote:
>> > Jiri Eischmann wrote:
>> >> Adam Williamson píše v Čt 03. 01. 2013 v 00:03 -0800:
>> >
>> > …
>> >
>> >> > 2. If not, do we want
drago01 píše v Čt 03. 01. 2013 v 14:13 +0100:
> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 12:06 PM, Fabian Deutsch wrote:
> > Jiri Eischmann wrote:
> >> Adam Williamson píše v Čt 03. 01. 2013 v 00:03 -0800:
> >
> > …
> >
> >> > 2. If not, do we want to engage in some Messaging around the F18 release
> >> > to emphas
"Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" píše v Čt 03. 01. 2013 v 12:40 +:
> On 01/03/2013 10:37 AM, Jiri Eischmann wrote:
> > So yes, these issues are serious, but IMHO rather a long-term problem we
> > should focus on after releasing F18.
>
> I disagree I think we need to fix those things first.
>
> Ask you
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 12:06 PM, Fabian Deutsch wrote:
> Jiri Eischmann wrote:
>> Adam Williamson píše v Čt 03. 01. 2013 v 00:03 -0800:
>
> …
>
>> > 2. If not, do we want to engage in some Messaging around the F18 release
>> > to emphasize that we know there are all these issues and we'll try to
>
- Original Message -
> Hey, folks. I'm not really sure how to frame it, but the result of
> all
> my poking about at keyboard layout bugs and related stuff recently is
> that I'm pretty sad at the state of support for
> anything-but-U.S.-English in Fedora 18.
>
> Here's the tally:
>
> * h
On 01/03/2013 10:37 AM, Jiri Eischmann wrote:
So yes, these issues are serious, but IMHO rather a long-term problem we
should focus on after releasing F18.
I disagree I think we need to fix those things first.
Ask yourself this, If the roles where reversed and US keymaps and
translation was b
Jiri Eischmann wrote:
> Adam Williamson píše v Čt 03. 01. 2013 v 00:03 -0800:
…
> > 2. If not, do we want to engage in some Messaging around the F18 release
> > to emphasize that we know there are all these issues and we'll try to
> > smooth things out for F19?
> >
…
> So yes, these issues are
Dne 3.1.2013 11:34, Adam Williamson napsal(a):
On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 11:31 +0100, Vít Ondruch wrote:
Dne 3.1.2013 10:51, Adam Williamson napsal(a):
On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 20:17 +1030, William Brown wrote:
On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 01:42 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 09:23 +00
Adam Williamson píše v Čt 03. 01. 2013 v 00:03 -0800:
> Hey, folks. I'm not really sure how to frame it, but the result of all
> my poking about at keyboard layout bugs and related stuff recently is
> that I'm pretty sad at the state of support for
> anything-but-U.S.-English in Fedora 18.
>
> Her
On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 11:31 +0100, Vít Ondruch wrote:
> Dne 3.1.2013 10:51, Adam Williamson napsal(a):
> > On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 20:17 +1030, William Brown wrote:
> >> On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 01:42 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
> >>> On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 09:23 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
>
Dne 3.1.2013 10:51, Adam Williamson napsal(a):
On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 20:17 +1030, William Brown wrote:
On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 01:42 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 09:23 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
On 01/03/2013 08:03 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
Hey, folks. I'm not
On 01/03/2013 09:42 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
I really didn't want this to turn into a release philosophy thread, the
question was limited strictly to a 'how bad do we really think these
keymap issues are' thing.
Yes and I think they are bad enough that we should delay the release for
them an
On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 20:17 +1030, William Brown wrote:
> On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 01:42 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 09:23 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> > > On 01/03/2013 08:03 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > > > Hey, folks. I'm not really sure how to frame it, bu
On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 01:42 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 09:23 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> > On 01/03/2013 08:03 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > > Hey, folks. I'm not really sure how to frame it, but the result of all
> > > my poking about at keyboard layout bug
On Thu, 2013-01-03 at 09:23 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> On 01/03/2013 08:03 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > Hey, folks. I'm not really sure how to frame it, but the result of all
> > my poking about at keyboard layout bugs and related stuff recently is
> > that I'm pretty sad at the stat
On 01/03/2013 08:03 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
Hey, folks. I'm not really sure how to frame it, but the result of all
my poking about at keyboard layout bugs and related stuff recently is
that I'm pretty sad at the state of support for
anything-but-U.S.-English in Fedora 18.
...
I don't really
Il 03/01/2013 09:03, Adam Williamson ha scritto:
> 1. In the short term, is the combination of all these factors enough for
> us to want to delay F18 further to try and make things suck less?
I was waiting for an e-mail like yours, and I am happy to see someone
speaking about a delay of F18 release
Hey, folks. I'm not really sure how to frame it, but the result of all
my poking about at keyboard layout bugs and related stuff recently is
that I'm pretty sad at the state of support for
anything-but-U.S.-English in Fedora 18.
Here's the tally:
* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8895
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